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Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-01 17:53:24 Reply

Yep, bigger and meaner and we do nothing about it just because ACTA is in Europe and Newgrunds is in USA, but are all newgrounders only from US ?
Well, was designed in US and Japan, so, is also NG responsibility to react somehow.

For whoever doesn't know what ACTA is, here, have some links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Counte rfeiting_Trade_Agreement
"the draft agreement would also set up an international agency that could force Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to provide information about subscribers suspected of copyright infringers without a warrant."

According to a Romanian blogger, there are at least 5 big problems with it:
1 - general monitoring of the activities of Internet users and systematic recording of data.
2 - Internet users can be disconnected by your ISP, based on simple assumptions of rights holders, without trial, without the right to defense.
3 - Criminal penalties for economic "indirect" advantages. What's that indirect economic advantage? A banner exchange?
4 - ACTA was negotiated infringing the basic rules of transparency.
5 - Anyone who would like to start a new business on the Internet, should think of specific or indirect commercial advantage even by illegal use of his works by users/ strangers.

OPINION on the compatibility of the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA) with the European Convention on Human Rights & the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights - by Douwe Korff Professor of International law London Metropolitan University London (UK) & Ian Brown Senior Research Fellow Oxford Internet Institute University of Oxford (UK).

Sign petition against ACTA to the EU Parliament on avaaz.org.
If by any chance you are Romanian, you can also sign this petition.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-01 18:11:59 Reply

Is there a reason this is here and not in General?

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-01 19:09:29 Reply

Yes, there are two reasons for that.
1 - The new law is threatening music creation more than you can realize at first.
2 - General forum is too retarded and troll dominated.

More about 1
So, what is a counterfeit product ? is only the original the original ?
This means, no more cover versions, no more remixes, no more "quoting"/ paraphrasing/ parodying or even creating a meme out of a copyrighted material. More to that, no more home made recordings/ youtube video/ NG song of you playing classical music that is not yet public domain (let's say Gershwin).
More to that, no more jazz standards, no more VG remixes/ covers, heck, no more VG as a music genre here on NG.
BUT THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MUSIC...

Heck, no more quoting the guitar riff from "Smoke On The Water" as a rock anthem.
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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-01 19:17:59 Reply

Just to add something really annoying:
What is a " indirect commercial advantage" ?
If you have a recording studio and make a demo song, is that illegal now ? how about making a voice acting demo and impersonating "Mario" which is a copyrighted character ? Would you go to jail for that just because some incompetent politician signet that law ?

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-01 19:29:47 Reply

Man that is so terrible , stupid politicians and their stupid ideology.

Signing , i don't know if i can help if im from another country.


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-01 19:39:32 Reply

Fuck man, why do the world governments always find a new way to torture the Internet citizens?

List of countries who currently involve with ACTA

1 - general monitoring of the activities of Internet users and systematic recording of data.

Oh yeh, nice! So this is a nicer way of saying "I'm gonna wiretap and stalk on yer asses, legally."

So my research on informational leaking is actually worth something to do.

2 - Internet users can be disconnected by your ISP, based on simple assumptions of rights holders, without trial, without the right to defense.

WOAT?!! How can this be legal?based on simple assumptions | this line is fucking dangerous. How can you assume then suspend on someone's activity when you never direct investigate them? Fucking BS!

5 - Anyone who would like to start a new business on the Internet, should think of specific or indirect commercial advantage even by illegal use of his works by users/ strangers.

Oh wow, so PIPA and SOPA evolved well beyond this.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 06:15:59 Reply

The agreement text in English in PDF format.
Too much "Legalese" for simple people to understand.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 08:24:44 Reply

Christ, for how much long are they going to bother us with such distorted censorship wankery?
I can't believe Japan signed this agreement too... Way to a globalized dystopia.
Signed. No regrets against ignorance.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 09:14:43 Reply

oh great, more suits who know what's best for me. let's sign that shit


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 09:15:26 Reply

At 2/2/12 08:24 AM, KKSlider60 wrote: Christ, for how much long are they going to bother us with such distorted censorship wankery?
I can't believe Japan signed this agreement too... Way to a globalized dystopia.
Signed. No regrets against ignorance.

The MPAA and it's allies are quite powerful around the world. Just another example of lobbyists shutting down the voice of regular people with truckloads of money.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 09:48:50 Reply

What the fuck is this doing on the Audio forum?? ACTA already passed apparently btw.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 10:59:45 Reply

At 2/2/12 09:48 AM, Trampzy wrote: What the fuck is this doing on the Audio forum?? ACTA already passed apparently btw.

That doesn't mean the fight against it shouldn't stop.


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 11:55:50 Reply

At 2/2/12 10:59 AM, LiquidOoze wrote:
At 2/2/12 09:48 AM, Trampzy wrote: What the fuck is this doing on the Audio forum?? ACTA already passed apparently btw.
That doesn't mean the fight against it shouldn't stop.

Shh!!! They're watching us. Love your government: keep calm and carry on.

Seriously, though, don't you think it's a little too coincidental that the governments of the world (esp. Europe and America) are passing bills that would allow them to censor the internet, right around the same time that people are expressing discontent with their leadership? Internet monitoring and censorship, the NDAA provision allowing Americans to be jailed without trial, the convenience of claiming "public disturbance" to arrest Occupiers (which happens to simultaneously revoke our rights, in America, at least, to peacefully assemble and protest).

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 12:05:32 Reply

At 2/2/12 11:55 AM, RampantMusik wrote: stuff

How dare you question Our Benefactors?!
Now reconsider and apologize, and never do it again.

or we'll kill you trololololol
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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 12:23:17 Reply

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petition s/20850

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-02 13:22:37 Reply

Signed and posted it around to some fellows.


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-03 10:45:33 Reply

lmao, people actually want the second Internet blackout, just checked packetstorm's news today. I agree that it's quite late to stop the shit now.

ACTA is SOPA

Nope, SOPA/PIPA is part of ACTA more like it. In fact ACTA has been around and secretly held by the G8 for a few years ago. Now here is the thing: It has been passed without any voting or even made public until the closing days. What's the motive behind this? I do not and never believe this is just about anti-piracy.

Things are like jigsaw puzzle.

Shits matched perfectly. If anyone follows the news lately these years, you should notice there are/were patterns that matched ACTA's motivations. Increasing of net surveillance, NSA rootkit, bloatware, scareware... to piracy fights, filesharing censoring... Megaupload raid.

For most of you who thought this is politic and it should be long to General or Politics forums, you are wrong. It's about us, everything, your precious music prods too. Patents. Intellectual property. You got yer asses censored whenever they want or need, legally. Remixes, covers, voice demos, samples, MIDI rips, video genre stuff, etc... fuck 'em all.

I know some people on here, or as far as I can tell, are only wanted to be good dogs and roll over whenever needed. Can't we just do something for each others? Work as a team and fight peacefully, by our creativity?

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-03 11:30:01 Reply

Same people who scream "Stop Piracy" were creating the system to start piracy in the first place.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-03 11:34:58 Reply

At 2/3/12 11:30 AM, sorohanro wrote: Same people who scream "Stop Piracy" were creating the system to start piracy in the first place.

There more you ban, the more people find ways around the ban... It's life. Evolution. Nice video.


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-03 11:53:53 Reply

Don't get me wrong. I am against piracy. I think people should be paid for their work.
The problem is that with ACTA and SOPA, piracy will still go on, the artists will still get pirated and record labels will still have a reason NOT to pay fair the artists.
The only thing that ACTA and SOPA will do is censorship. They will invade your privacy, they will legally have the right to access and distribute your personal data without your consent, heck, without your knowledge.
They will censorship all forms of inspired art, and that is all art, because everybody based their art on previous works or systems.

If somebody will copyright the tonal system we will not be able to write music at all, just to push things to extreme. Illogical, absurd but legally possible.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-03 12:14:38 Reply

they will legally have the right to access and distribute your personal data without your consent, heck, without your knowledge.

PGP

Gov has hard time with it. In fact, NSA announced they give up on breaking the thing. Safe and sound encryption. As far as I know, they can't and have no rights to force you to reveal the key.


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-03 19:25:57 Reply

This doesn't change the problem.
The problem is that a government is ready to give a law that will allow private companies to access your private data, just because of the pressure from those companies under the false reason of a problem that THEY created in the first place.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-04 09:34:00 Reply

At 2/3/12 07:25 PM, sorohanro wrote: This doesn't change the problem.
The problem is that a government is ready to give a law that will allow private companies to access your private data, just because of the pressure from those companies under the false reason of a problem that THEY created in the first place.

They won't move a single finger.
We probably have no idea about the damage they'll bring if a law like this manages to pass, but they surely do, and I don't think the whole globe is ready to ruin every economy. They just love to see our reactions. They aren't THAT self-destructive... A law of that caliber would mean catastrophic consequences in any field. People have petitioned, voted, shown their discontent against this "democratic dictatorship" as I like to call it sometimes. Now it's just the waiting game and preparing for the next move.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-04 11:42:08 Reply

Good points.
In the end everybody will face the consequences of their actions and we should take responsibility for our actions, publicly.
At least we will not get sick when we look in a mirror.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-04 12:54:36 Reply

friend just showed me this, I think it's pretty cool :)

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-04 13:29:29 Reply

At 2/4/12 12:54 PM, AeroMusic wrote: friend just showed me this, I think it's pretty cool :)

LMAO, imagine US politicians do the same... well it's a dream...


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-05 12:34:48 Reply

Well, I see why this kind of legislation can be made.
It's because people let it. I see here on NG almost no reaction of this, no site blackout, no official statement, no musicians outraged, not too many posts in the thread, no community protecting itself.
That means we will probably get the legislation that we deserve for our ignorance and laziness.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-05 13:37:57 Reply

At 2/5/12 12:34 PM, sorohanro wrote: Well, I see why this kind of legislation can be made.
It's because people let it. I see here on NG almost no reaction of this, no site blackout, no official statement, no musicians outraged, not too many posts in the thread, no community protecting itself.
That means we will probably get the legislation that we deserve for our ignorance and laziness.

Mmm, and what would all that wonderful stuff do for us? Unlike the previous bills, this is something that's signed and kicked out the door already. While the European members among us can fight against it, the methods used against SOPA and PIPA would be meaningless.

Don't confuse laziness with the conservation of energy for the shit to come. Site blackouts, official statements and the like are a waste of time and energy on something like this - a different approach would be necessary, and it would need to be an internationally shared agenda. It's one that also hasn't been devised yet - if anyone knows how to unite to global population that's affected by this then I'll join that band wagon.


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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-05 13:56:55 Reply

At 2/5/12 01:37 PM, Gario wrote: if anyone knows how to unite to global population that's affected by this then I'll join that band wagon.

Well, first to react somehow, a bit more than just ignore and continue googleing for "funny cats" pictures.
Second, a petition online or offline can be a solution. There is a law that if a big number of people petition UE for something, they must apply that. I should research more on that and link to the law & info.

Right now I'm in Norway, so it's a bit hard for me to get out and protest in Romania about this. However, I'm working in education and culture field, so, maybe I can get more influential people to react against.

Doing nothing just because you don't know for sure if you succeed is a quite bad decision.

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Response to Acta, The Big Brother Of Sopa 2012-02-05 23:26:14 Reply

DRM was created in the first place which what triggered software/hardware cracking in the 80s. Sorohanro you are right on the anti-piracy folks that they are who started this fiasco. But blaming it totally on crackers and distributors are pretty bias.

Also, using the piracy to justify the acts of censorship are fucking BS. Hey fucking US and its pricks keep bashing on China's Internet Great Firewall, yet today you see they are doing the same. Fuck democracy.

This doesn't change the problem.

Since the gov, precious website(s) and motherfuckers around can't help you then now you have to help yourself. End of story! Or roll down the dark hill like a moss stone. Protect yourself. No one can help you.

No one can help us if we keep bashing and separating each other. We have to help ourselves.

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Well, I see why this kind of legislation can be made.

It's because people let it. I see here on NG almost no reaction of this, no site blackout, no official statement, no musicians outraged, not too many posts in the thread, no community protecting itself.
That means we will probably get the legislation that we deserve for our ignorance and laziness.

It's a matter of time when people realize these when the feds knock on their door or get cut off the net by ISP companies. Or mass lawsuits into their asses for remixing shit. Fun times!

Don't worry, NG is full of once legal become illegal shits.

Sometime it's good to let people get the warned pains to realize something is happening rather than begging and wastefulness your time on their ignorance and irresponsibility.

Let them get the punch(es) in their nuts to taste the pains.

At 2/5/12 01:37 PM, Gario wrote:

Mmm, and what would all that wonderful stuff do for us? Unlike the previous bills, this is something that's signed and kicked out the door already. While the European members among us can fight against it, <s>the methods used against SOPA and PIPA would be meaningless</s>.

Wow, what a nice ignorant and irresponsible comment, especially when it's quite stupid to assume that things are done.

Don't confuse laziness with the conservation of energy for the shit to come. Site blackouts, official statements and the like are a waste of time and energy on something like this - a different approach would be necessary, and it would need to be an internationally shared agenda. It's one that also hasn't been devised yet - if anyone knows how to unite to global population that's affected by this then I'll join that band wagon.

Did you know that Wikipedia is the first site to call the blackout on SOPA/PIPA? And did you know that thanked to them, over 4.62 millions online/offline letters flooded the US Congress mail boxes. 2.6 millions for Canada. 1.9 millions in UK. The bill refused right on the next day.

Here is the moral of the story: United We Stand : Divided We Fall. So keep pushing and waiting for other to act first won't save your stinky asses in this case.

Even the Polish know the bill passed, the are still protesting, right now.

Remember why the Internet was made in the first place. It didn't create for fuckers to just entertain and shits.

We could say we want the Web to reflect a vision of the world where everything is done democratically. To do that, we get computers to talk with each other in such a way as to promote that ideal.

Tim Berners-Lee - father of World Wide Web

You don't have to wait for something to happen. The tool is there: the Net. Why not use it? Where is your creativity and courage? There are tons of social site and apps for you to express, to keep passing on the awareness.

if anyone knows how to unite to global population that's affected by this then I'll join that band wagon.

Again, action comes from your responsibility and awareness. No one can help you if you keep your mouth, ears and eyes shut. Even if I manage to pull them open with a bolt cutter.


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