The age of getting known is ending?

[SirKoto51]

I was just thinking about how we all have it so good on Newgrounds at the moment; or, just the internet in general. It is still possible to get known and make a 'title' for yourself. But, as the internet expands and gains more users, is this convenience just going to disappear? Everyone saw what happened to YouTube, right? Little videos that looked like they were made by a 2 year old in 2006 today have up to 3,000,000 hits. And, now, an average user is likely to receive about 55 views per year on a YouTube video. Does it scare anybody to think that this may happen with everything else?

[Envy]

If anything it makes it easier to get known, it just means that once you get known you have to work harder to stay on top. Which you would think would work out great, but stupid people tend to like terrible music which ends up staying on top...

On MTV after Etta James died the guy was like "You can hear her singing in Flo Rida's song "Good Feeling." Flo Rida's song? Really?

[jarrydn]

imho if you're *trying* to make a title for yourself, you're looking at it the wrong way and you're setting yourself up for failure. people are pretty discerning and can tell if you are trying to be liked (which is a major turn-off)

as for despairing over 3,000,000 views for a youtube video filmed on a potato back in 2006...well that video was probably put out at roughly the same time that thousands of people were saying the exact same thing that you are saying right now. the difference is that the "2 year old" was ahead of the curve. not very far ahead, but ahead nonetheless. if you cannot stay a little bit ahead of the curve, then yeah, you're going to be pretty disappointed. but you deserve it. why should anyone be rewarded for sticking to old ideas?

[Birdinator99]

At 1/23/12 09:58 PM, SirKoto51 wrote: Does it scare anybody to think that this may happen with everything else?

Think about the audience of the content, though -- who's more likely to distinguish the genuinely good content from the bad; Average Joe YouTuber (contributes nothing to the site, laughs at cat videos), or Average Joe NG User (omg 10 starz for bass wobblez plz)? They might appear to be of equal intelligence at first, but I think we're just a bit classier, no?

I mean, c'mon, are we as bad as YouTube?

[BrokenDeck]

At 1/23/12 09:58 PM, SirKoto51 wrote: I was just thinking about how we all have it so good on Newgrounds at the moment; or, just the internet in general. It is still possible to get known and make a 'title' for yourself.

I think you should just make the music that you WANT to make, not the music that you think other people think you should make. If people also like what you like, then you getting known happens by itself, and not from you having to be a "try-hard" at it.

But, as the internet expands and gains more users, is this convenience just going to disappear?

I don't see how it's any sort of convenience. I thought getting known for something required perhaps at least a little bit of hard work. I'm not saying that you may or may not work hard at your music, all I am saying is that using the word "convenience" makes it appear that you might be looking for a quick or easy method towards getting renown.

Everyone saw what happened to YouTube, right? Little videos that looked like they were made by a 2 year old in 2006 today have up to 3,000,000 hits.

Those videos had the advantage of being submitted earlier than everyone else's, before the choice of which video to view become over saturated. Luck of being first for them I guess then.

And, now, an average user is likely to receive about 55 views per year on a YouTube video.

One could take it as a challenge to submit something both creative and in tune to current sensibilities of the general youtube audience. Major television networks face a similar challenge, just on a bigger scale. It's called demographics.

Does it scare anybody to think that this may happen with everything else?

I'll be honest when I say that I don't see what you're scared at.

[jpbear]

The fact that 1/3 comments on UKF vids is 12 year old producer spam is rather scary.

[jarrydn]

At 1/24/12 01:12 AM, jpbear wrote: The fact that 1/3 comments on UKF vids is 12 year old producer spam is rather scary.

why? do you feel threatened?

[jpbear]

At 1/24/12 01:15 AM, jarrydn wrote:

At 1/24/12 01:12 AM, jpbear wrote: The fact that 1/3 comments on UKF vids is 12 year old producer spam is rather scary.

why? do you feel threatened?

A little bit tbh, fame can sometimes be rather random and fall upon the shittiest people/producers.

[BrokenDeck]

At 1/24/12 01:12 AM, jpbear wrote: The fact that 1/3 comments on UKF vids is 12 year old producer spam is rather scary.

I take it that you mean to say "12 year old wanna-be producer spam"?

I'm sure they take every comment completely seriously ;) :P

[jarrydn]

At 1/24/12 01:17 AM, jpbear wrote: A little bit tbh, fame can sometimes be rather random and fall upon the shittiest people/producers.

any examples of famous shitty producers?

i don't doubt that there are, i just can't bring any to mind

[BrokenDeck]

At 1/24/12 01:17 AM, jpbear wrote: A little bit tbh, fame can sometimes be rather random and fall upon the shittiest people/producers.

At 1/24/12 01:32 AM, jarrydn wrote: any examples of famous shitty producers?

He's calling you out. :P Quote your resources man! ;)

[jpbear]

At 1/24/12 01:32 AM, jarrydn wrote:

At 1/24/12 01:17 AM, jpbear wrote: A little bit tbh, fame can sometimes be rather random and fall upon the shittiest people/producers.

any examples of famous shitty producers?

i don't doubt that there are, i just can't bring any to mind

Zedd really pisses me off, no clue why skrillex had such a big boner over him.

But I'm talking more like semi-fame, 10,000 likes on FB people.

[jarrydn]

At 1/24/12 01:38 AM, jpbear wrote:

At 1/24/12 01:32 AM, jarrydn wrote:

At 1/24/12 01:17 AM, jpbear wrote: A little bit tbh, fame can sometimes be rather random and fall upon the shittiest people/producers.

any examples of famous shitty producers?

i don't doubt that there are, i just can't bring any to mind

Zedd really pisses me off, no clue why skrillex had such a big boner over him.

But I'm talking more like semi-fame, 10,000 likes on FB people.

fair play. i wouldn't worry too much though, i come across all kinds of producers with some ridiculous stats, and i'm all "why haven't i heard of you", then i listen to their music and i'm all "ok, that's why". they might force popularity by spending more time promoting themselves than writing music, but this doesn't mean their music is getting into the "right" circles.

i heard your latest track, and i don't doubt that you've got the potential to take yourself some interesting places, but the best thing you can do right now is keep working on your skills, writing music, and try to avoid despairing over things that don't matter yet.

[jpbear]

At 1/24/12 01:45 AM, jarrydn wrote:
i heard your latest track, and i don't doubt that you've got the potential to take yourself some interesting places, but the best thing you can do right now is keep working on your skills, writing music, and try to avoid despairing over things that don't matter yet.

You sure got your own groove too man!
Means a lot dude :)

All these 18 year old producer/dj rockstars sure make things kinda depressing lol.

[jarrydn]

At 1/24/12 01:58 AM, jpbear wrote: All these 18 year old producer/dj rockstars sure make things kinda depressing lol.

you don't have to be famous to party! sure, all eyes might not be on you, but you'll get to have more fun because you don't have to worry about a career which hinges on how hard you can party ;)

i'm 4 days away from 25, which is well and truly over the hump, but it doesn't mean that you can't still have a blast doing what you love.

man, you think producers have it hard? take a look at gymnasts!

[DJDela]

At 1/24/12 01:38 AM, jpbear wrote:
Zedd really pisses me off, no clue why skrillex had such a big boner over him.

But I'm talking more like semi-fame, 10,000 likes on FB people.

Honestly, I like Zedd more than Skrillex.
Skrillex has gone too far with that wobble shit, I prefer the electro vibes Zedd's been producing.
His song is not on top of the beatport chart for no reason.

And yes, today is really hard to get known, too much of those self confident kids.
I get shivers when I read the 12 year old produces-wannabes comments, makes me want to kick them in the face through the screen...

[DJDela]

I meant to write overconfident...

[midimachine]

At 1/24/12 04:15 AM, DJDela wrote: I meant to write overconfident...

When I was 12 I thought the music I made was the best thing anyone had ever done ever. If someone had told me exactly how shitty it was I probably would have stopped trying to make music forever, lol.

[jarrydn]

At 1/24/12 04:53 AM, midimachine wrote: When I was 12 I thought the music I made was the best thing anyone had ever done ever. If someone had told me exactly how shitty it was I probably would have stopped trying to make music forever, lol.

same, i'm lucky that i didn't have the internet (apart from a couple of irc/msn buddies) to criticize my work.

i've seen some awful comments left on children's work, to the point where it makes my stomach turn.

[Back-From-Purgatory]

At 1/24/12 05:20 AM, jarrydn wrote: i've seen some awful comments left on children's work, to the point where it makes my stomach turn.

I'd rather that than your best friend telling you that you suck and writing music is pointless because you'll never go anywhere.

Not hypothetical... And no, they are no longer a friend.

[ThisIsAnEmergency]

At 1/24/12 04:53 AM, midimachine wrote: When I was 12 I thought the music I made was the best thing anyone had ever done ever. If someone had told me exactly how shitty it was I probably would have stopped trying to make music forever, lol.

Lol same here, but I kinda knew my music was shitty and kept coming up with excuses like "presets.. blabla.. these instruments suck.." Got some good soundfonts and still sucked.

I think harsh criticism is good, cause that's what kinda helped me to try a lot harder, ask other producers, and get more into the process of making a good song.

[midimachine]

At 1/24/12 09:10 AM, ThisIsAnEmergency wrote: I think harsh criticism is good, cause that's what kinda helped me to try a lot harder, ask other producers, and get more into the process of making a good song.

Oh yeah it's definitely helped me since I've matured and stuff. 12 year old me probably needed to be told just how bad he was, but 22 year old me is glad he didn't :P

[dem0lecule]

At 1/23/12 09:58 PM, SirKoto51 wrote: I was just thinking about how we all have it so good on Newgrounds at the moment; or, just the internet in general. It is still possible to get known and make a 'title' for yourself.

No one can help you bro, you have to earn it yourself. Shut up, stop whining and make shit happens.

But, as the internet expands and gains more users, is this convenience just going to disappear? Everyone saw what happened to YouTube, right?

Why the f--k do you even compare YouTube to Newgrounds? Youtube has over 10 millions users, while NG is like what? 600k users?

Little videos that looked like they were made by a 2 year old in 2006 today have up to 3,000,000 hits. And, now, an average user is likely to receive about 55 views per year on a YouTube video. Does it scare anybody to think that this may happen with everything else?

Are you that dumb-wit to comparing motion picture to audio? Beside, how many mods on Youtube that give a fuck? How many mods on NG not gonna let troll contents happen?

Plus NG is user generated site. You do your stuff appropriately, you pass. If you troll around like a bitch, your account won't last long, not even the 2 years old video.

It's like apple and orange. Use your brain.

[Verschworungen]

At 1/24/12 01:58 PM, Computer112 wrote:

At 1/23/12 09:58 PM, SirKoto51 wrote: I was just thinking about how we all have it so good on Newgrounds at the moment; or, just the internet in general. It is still possible to get known and make a 'title' for yourself.

Total douche

Don't be an ass.

Yes, music is hard to get popular in. It's becoming a bit harder now-days than it used to be in the late 1900's. But being able to live off of music doesn't mean fame!

Personally I want to be able to live off of music some day. Whether that's my music, producing for others, teaching, software coding or the like. It's not hard to live off of music these days, and with the growing amateur market, it's not much different from other jobs that involve creative work!

So yeah, fame is something that should be kept on the back-burner for any artist. But quality work, getting published, and being happily successful (Or whatever you want with your career) are good things to hold onto as goals.

[dem0lecule]

At 1/24/12 06:49 PM, Verschworungen wrote:

At 1/24/12 01:58 PM, Computer112 wrote: Total douche

Don't be an ass.

Blah and blah...

Make yourself looks good doesn't help much, ya know?

[FatKidWitAJetPak]

I think now a days musicians are pressured more to do more and make more because of how fast technology is increasing. It took hundreds, sometimes thousands of years for music to develop. Now that global connectivity is a standard, people are finding new and unique techniques at production. In the past thirty years, look what music has come to life. Look at all the genres that have been developed... Drum n Bass, Trance, Dubstep.. so many awesome sounds have hit my ears that I would never have thought possible.

What I think one must do is try and create something DIFFERENT. Try and be intuitive with the told you have at your hands. Mozart had the piano, and I have a laptop. I am currently working very diligently on an two year ambient album and am almost done. I will continue working on my own unique sound and hopefully someday will be known for it.

You've got to be passionate.

[jpbear]

At 1/24/12 08:18 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: I am currently working very diligently on an two year ambient album

You've got to be passionate.

A TWO YEAR LONG ALBUM!?

[FatKidWitAJetPak]

At 1/24/12 08:43 PM, jpbear wrote:

At 1/24/12 08:18 PM, FatKidWitAJetPak wrote: I am currently working very diligently on an two year ambient album

You've got to be passionate.

A TWO YEAR LONG ALBUM!?

Yeah it spans across 40,000 discs.

lol you ass i mean ive been working on it for two years