Voting System Issue

[FrostDrive]

Everyone should only be allowed to vote on any submission once.

This would end the tyranny of those fags on newgrounds who chose victims to zero bomb everyday.

It would also end those terrible animators that high 5 their submissions everyday to get a good enough Batting average to start a collab when they clearly can't do one.

When you allow one person to vote multiple times on a submission, it's like making their opinion more valuable then the people who only voted once. Do you get what I'm saying?

Who's with me?

[Cootie]

I mean, it wouldn't be that bad seeing as we easily have enough new flash coming through the portal. But the bad part is that people would just go to the portal and pass flash just to get their EXP for the day, instead of really doing B/P work.

[Chdonga]

That's a terrible idea. If you want zero bombers to stop zero bombing your submissions, you should do one of the two:

-Stop complaining about them. They get off from being acknowledged.
-Make better submissions.

[Twisted4000]

I'm in... I mean seriously, why don't you think practically every other site out there allows only one vote? It's kinda dumb how a single person can force their opinion multiple times, SIMULATING multiple PEOPLE'S opinions.

When voting for president, you don't get to vote more than once. Why do you think THAT is? EVERYONE'S opinions are equal, it makes NO sense that one person can simply vote multiple times, as if THEIR opinion is better than everyone else's.

Also, I personally don't really like the whole "level" method, either... how you have more voting power simply because you voted more often than others. That also makes little sense. Either they should completely ditch that, or maybe have your voting power go up for different reasons... like maybe if you SUBMIT more? REVIEW more? I don't know, they're all stupid ideas, I think they should get rid of it entirely... but then again, it's like an RPG, and it's kind of a fun idea, so they probably wouldn't get rid of it, it's understandable.

But yeah, the multiple votes thing... bullcrap. BUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLCRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAP.

[Twisted4000]

At 1/23/12 12:34 AM, Chdonga wrote: That's a terrible idea. If you want zero bombers to stop zero bombing your submissions, you should do one of the two:

-Stop complaining about them. They get off from being acknowledged.
-Make better submissions.

I see your point, but some people are haters for no reason whatsoever. You can make a GREAT submission but they will still 0-bomb you if they simply feel like it.

[FrostDrive]

At 1/23/12 12:34 AM, Chdonga wrote: That's a terrible idea. If you want zero bombers to stop zero bombing your submissions, you should do one of the two:

-Stop complaining about them. They get off from being acknowledged.
-Make better submissions.

Making better submissions would only work for flash cartoons and getting frontpage. And even STILL people can effect a score eventually.

But on the art or audio portal, even if you get frontpaged there just isn't enough votes to keep zero bombers from effecting it.

And in all honesty, I don't care about scores (I"ve learned not to) So I'm not complaining, I'm just trying to change this because I think things would be better this way.

[Twisted4000]

At 1/23/12 12:37 AM, NL-Courage wrote: If everything was only allowed to be voted once, zero-bombers will make multiple alts to zero-bomb your audio. You, on the other hand, can only counter one zero-bomber with a five.

But it counts for your IP address, NOT your account... so multiple accounts wouldn't do anything.

[FrostDrive]

At 1/23/12 12:33 AM, Cootie wrote: I mean, it wouldn't be that bad seeing as we easily have enough new flash coming through the portal. But the bad part is that people would just go to the portal and pass flash just to get their EXP for the day, instead of really doing B/P work.

People already just blind sight their votes on the "under judgement" submissions just to get their B/P work done. I don't see how this rule would change that.

[FrostDrive]

At 1/23/12 12:37 AM, NL-Courage wrote: If everything was only allowed to be voted once, zero-bombers will make multiple alts to zero-bomb your audio. You, on the other hand, can only counter one zero-bomber with a five.

With using mutitple alt accounts, you would not have as high of a voting power than if you used an account you had for years.

Thus, you would barely have any say in change the score of a submission if your voting with an account that's level2.

[Halberd]

I personally think the voting system is fine.

Its not perfect sure, spam crews get their animations through sure but truthfully the mods and admins don't care that much unless they are actually doing something bad like printing child porn on your computer, trying to phish/trick you into giving away your e-mail or NG account, or stealing daily firsts.

Deal with the spam bro.

[Halberd]

"Maybe if you started doing something about all the spam, junk, and mods not caring when I whistle something, I would start to care about the flash portal again"

-Phantox being a candy-ass

[FrostDrive]

At 1/23/12 12:51 AM, Halberd wrote: I personally think the voting system is fine.

Its not perfect sure, spam crews get their animations through sure but truthfully the mods and admins don't care that much unless they are actually doing something bad like printing child porn on your computer, trying to phish/trick you into giving away your e-mail or NG account, or stealing daily firsts.

Deal with the spam bro.

Someone almost stole daily first the other day when there was that MASSIVE bomb fest. That should clearly prove that this voting system is flawed, and something should be done about it.

[Loki]

Fuck no.

[Twisted4000]

At 1/23/12 01:10 AM, FBIpolux wrote: Fuck no.

And why not?

[Phantox]

I agree with OP

[Loki]

At 1/23/12 01:27 AM, Twisted4000 wrote:

At 1/23/12 01:10 AM, FBIpolux wrote: Fuck no.

And why not?

Because it would make depositing for me slightly more annoying.

[Twisted4000]

At 1/23/12 02:03 AM, FBIpolux wrote:

At 1/23/12 01:27 AM, Twisted4000 wrote:

At 1/23/12 01:10 AM, FBIpolux wrote: Fuck no.

And why not?

Because it would make depositing for me slightly more annoying.

That's actually a pretty inconsiderate way of thinking about it... but fine.

[Twisted4000]

At 1/23/12 02:19 AM, NL-Courage wrote:

At 1/23/12 12:40 AM, Twisted4000 wrote:

At 1/23/12 12:37 AM, NL-Courage wrote: If everything was only allowed to be voted once, zero-bombers will make multiple alts to zero-bomb your audio. You, on the other hand, can only counter one zero-bomber with a five.

But it counts for your IP address, NOT your account... so multiple accounts wouldn't do anything.

Multiple laptops/computers will evade it.

Some people have the things to carry out zero-bombing operations. :|

But don't you think making sure you can only vote on a submission ONCE as opposed to INFINITELY would help?

[S3C]

At 1/23/12 12:30 AM, FrostDrive wrote: Everyone should only be allowed to vote on any submission once.

This would end the tyranny of those fags on newgrounds who chose victims to zero bomb everyday.

Look prior to mid July 2007- the same complaints in the same magnitude with the voting system still exist.

It would also end those terrible animators that high 5 their submissions everyday to get a good enough Batting average to start a collab when they clearly can't do one.

and your ability to zero vote them back?

When you allow one person to vote multiple times on a submission, it's like making their opinion more valuable then the people who only voted once.

No it doesn't make their opinion more valuable others. The only difference (aside from voting power) is they choose to exercise their opinion more than others.

At 1/23/12 12:37 AM, Twisted4000 wrote: When voting for president, you don't get to vote more than once. Why do you think THAT is? EVERYONE'S opinions are equal, it makes NO sense that one person can simply vote multiple times, as if THEIR opinion is better than everyone else's.

Lose the train of thought that multiple votes = a more valuable opinion. it doesn't. like i said above, they choose to be persistent with their opinion. You and others may not.

Having a higher voting power would make their opinion greater, but that's another issue (which you pointed out, and I agree)

Many polls offer multiple voting. If the polling system allowed multiple votes, many people's opinions would change them over time, and they would re-vote. In a sense, wouldn't that be fair? To cast another vote when politicians and other public figures begin to show their true colors. There kind of is a multiple voting system in place already, however instead of 24 hours it's 4 years lol.

Don't get me wrong, a single voting system has merit, but it isn't inherently better than a voting system that allows multiple votes. Both have positive and negative aspects. Perhaps their could be a comprise and extend the limit to say 1 vote per week.

I see your point, but some people are haters for no reason whatsoever. You can make a GREAT submission but they will still 0-bomb you if they simply feel like it.

You can also make a BAD submission, and people will 5-vote because they simply feel like it. How does that support your argument?

At 1/23/12 02:19 AM, NL-Courage wrote: Multiple laptops/computers will evade it.

Most websites by now will group together dynamic IPs for this purpose. Otherwise yeah- it's not a perfect system. But it takes considerably more work to to find different IP addresses then just using different accounts.

[MindChamber]

At 1/23/12 12:30 AM, FrostDrive wrote: Everyone should only be allowed to vote on any submission once.

This would end the tyranny of those fags on newgrounds who chose victims to zero bomb everyday.

It would also end those terrible animators that high 5 their submissions everyday to get a good enough Batting average to start a collab when they clearly can't do one.

When you allow one person to vote multiple times on a submission, it's like making their opinion more valuable then the people who only voted once. Do you get what I'm saying?

Who's with me?

Im with you.

Its been discussed and every is pretty much in agreement that this is how its supposed to work.
its more of a matter of incorporating it into an almost 2 decade old site that needs some serious rewiring. hopefully it will be addressed on or right after the redesign.

*crosses fingers.

[FrostDrive]

At 1/23/12 10:08 AM, MindChamber wrote: Im with you.

THANK YOU MindChamber.

S3C's idea of a one vote per week seems fair enough as well. I would support that.

And regarding Chdongas comment of "Stop complaining about them. They get off from being acknowledged."

They don't get off from being acknowledged. They got off from JUST SEEING THE SCORES GO DOWN.
It's a power ego trip, and they like that feeling that their negatively effecting someones life simply by clicking buttons.

[Slint]

Pretty much what Cootie said.

Unless voting would only be enable once the flash is over, if it's a video.

[JonWB2005]

Don't fuck with the voting system. You can only vote once a day so whats the big deal. Plus if i really want to 0 bomb i have an ip masker so ur not gonna stop me : D

[Twisted4000]

At 1/23/12 03:09 PM, JonWB2005 wrote: Don't fuck with the voting system. You can only vote once a day so whats the big deal. Plus if i really want to 0 bomb i have an ip masker so ur not gonna stop me : D

Even once a day can be a pretty big deal if 0-bombers or high 5'ers don't stop. Once a week would probably be good, I guess.

[GreatPowerfulTrixie]

At 1/23/12 12:40 AM, Twisted4000 wrote: But it counts for your IP address, NOT your account... so multiple accounts wouldn't do anything.

Wait.. IP adress? How about proxies then?

[FrostDrive]

At 1/23/12 03:09 PM, JonWB2005 wrote: Don't fuck with the voting system. You can only vote once a day so whats the big deal. Plus if i really want to 0 bomb i have an ip masker so ur not gonna stop me : D

Actually, I've disabled voting on all of my artwork on here.

I AM stopping you.

Besides, I think it should be one vote per account, not IP adress.

[FrostDrive]

At 1/23/12 05:51 PM, hiddeninthecrowd wrote:

At 1/23/12 12:30 AM, FrostDrive wrote: zero bomb

I feel that anyone that uses this phrase deserves it

Too bad I have nothing you can vote on. (:

[i-am-ghey]

At 1/23/12 12:37 AM, Twisted4000 wrote: I'm in... I mean seriously, why don't you think practically every other site out there allows only one vote? It's kinda dumb how a single person can force their opinion multiple times, SIMULATING multiple PEOPLE'S opinions.

^^ this. the first step is to discourage isolated users from trying to raise or lower the score. i have yet to see anyone who has the determination to make 15 alts with 15 different email addresses just to manipulate the scores.

sadly though, even allowing everyone to vote only once on the same flash does little to stop the zero bombing, and mass voting. users can gather together on cast the same vote on a submssion, or create alts to get around the system.

a more fundamental solution is to penalise those who are clearly not helping to provide useful feedback to the authors through voting.

[S3C]

At 1/23/12 01:41 PM, FrostDrive wrote: They don't get off from being acknowledged. They got off from JUST SEEING THE SCORES GO DOWN.
It's a power ego trip, and they like that feeling that their negatively effecting someones life simply by clicking buttons.

actually, since voting is completely anonymous how would you be able to draw any conclusion? Someone could vote zero for the sake of trolling, or to boost their ranking (if they even produce flash/art/audio to begin with) in the charts, or perhaps because they legitimately feel a piece deserves a 0 or rating that would lower the score.

people need to stop making assumptions about people's voting intentions. because unless if a user non-anonymously addresses why they voted a specific piece the way they did a unfounded assumption is all it is. You cannot connect the dots when there are no dots to connect.

At 1/23/12 05:49 PM, FrostDrive wrote:

Besides, I think it should be one vote per account, not IP address.

How would one vote per account instead of IP help clear the voting system issue? It's significantly easier and convenient to create an alternate account and level it up then to go through the trouble of connecting to a different IP address.

perhaps MindChamber or another admin could shed some light if a proxy is transparent or not when it comes to sending information to website.

[morcov]

actually, since voting is completely anonymous

why don't we change this

what if we had a panel under the submission info that showed the last ten people who voted and what they voted. That way a mod could see a Zero or Five bomber and ban him.