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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-25 12:50:11 Reply

The best the US can hope for would be that China, Russia and India only send vast quantities of weapons and supplies to Iran, the more likely scenario is theyll send actual troops to back the Iranians turning it into at best another Vietnam for the US on top of the one already underway in Afghanistan.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-25 13:39:20 Reply

Not that you've heard of either. You have zero evidence to back up your claim, so don't state it like it's a fact. It is nothing more than your own personal suspicion.


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-25 15:58:25 Reply

At 1/24/12 06:56 PM, bcdemon wrote:
At 1/24/12 04:04 PM, Ranger2 wrote: Makes sense, seeing as Iran's President has said that he would like to wipe Israel off the map.
Come on now, that's the pro-Zionist translation. The real translation is about removing the "regime occupying Jerusalem" He doesn't mention the words "wipe" or "map" or even "Israel" yet you are able to sit there and regurgitate the lie that Ahmadinejad said "wipe Israel off the map".....

That's bullshit, we've already argued this in another thread. The official Iranian website translated his remarks as "wipe Israel off the map." It used to be at this address, http://www.president.ir/en/?ArtID=10114, but that was a year ago, and its gone. This NYT article confirms that the "pro-Zionist" translation was the same one used by the Iranian government.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/06/11/weekin review/11bronner.html?_r=1&ex=1307678400

They aren't idiots, they know what "wipe off the map" means in English, yet they made no effort to correct it.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-25 16:06:43 Reply

At 1/25/12 12:50 PM, J1993 wrote: The best the US can hope for would be that China, Russia and India only send vast quantities of weapons and supplies to Iran, the more likely scenario is theyll send actual troops to back the Iranians turning it into at best another Vietnam for the US on top of the one already underway in Afghanistan.

Yes, all of those Turkish (by race, not by country) folks living in China and Russia can pretend to be Iranian and speak a language that sounds remotely like pharsi...

The thing about teh VietNam War and the Korean war is that Chinese and Koreans and Chinese and Vietnamese are extremely difficult to tell apart both by their physical appearance and by their spoken word. If you put an Iranian, a Russian, and a Chinese person in a room, you would easily be able to tell them apart. The same goes with their languages. They couldn't as easily pretend to be Iranian as they had done before (with their respective allies). India might be able to get away with it (Most Americans see an Indian and think they're Mexican...) but I don't see why India would want to side with Iran, who, theoretically, sides with Pakistan on the Kashmir issue.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-25 16:55:43 Reply

At 1/25/12 12:50 PM, J1993 wrote: The best the US can hope for would be that China, Russia and India only send vast quantities of weapons and supplies to Iran,

;;;
If you had read the link I supplied.
You would see that India has agreed to pay with gold.
China has advised it will work it out as well.
Russia, will continue to supply weapons, tech etc.
This embargo isn't going to go over easy , as the Iraqi one did.

What IMO is really troubling about this is with the financial mess the USA & the Euro Zone is presently going through.
The US until very recently was the worlds reserve currency. that position & that position only is why the American Dollar hasn't joined the Zimbawean dollar & many other fiat currencies in the , not worth the paper they are printed on catagory.
With other nations workin gtowards conductiong business on such a scale & using something besides American Dollars...can the collapse of the American Currency be far behind.
That will cause a depression for America, Europe & their allies/trading countries that will make the great Depression look like a picnic. We here in Canada who do a massive amount of our trade withthe US, will be in dire straights as well. This kind of manouvering is how large scale wars happen, Wars are a favorite way for the powers that be to send off the little guy to their deaths, all in the name of for the Good of The Country.
They've already polished their battle cry of the war on terror, now all they have to do using the usual smoke & Mirror bullshit , is claim Iran's going to destroy the world we have to defend " FREEDOM" & attack.

After all No one has said it as good as Herman Goering did during the Nuremburg trials. What he said worked then & still works today

QUOTE -Herman Goering ,end of WW2
" NAturally the common people don't want war. Neither in Russia or England or for that matter in Germany. That is understood, but after all, IT IS THE LEADERS OF THE COUNTRY, who decide policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a Democracy, a Facist Dictatorship, or a Parliment or a Communist dictatorship, voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. THAT IS EASY.
All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked , denounce the peacemakers for lack of Patriotism & exposin ghte country to more danger. IT WORKS THE SAME FOR EVERY COUNTRY.

Really chilling words when you look at what has been done lately in the USA.
After all the boogey man's going to get you guy's & you've given up almost every right you have to protect yourselves from that terrorist boogey man. You've shelved the US Constitution.
You've created police agencies that don't need warrants, you have given the military the power to detain anyone without due process & for any or no reason to go along with the 'War On Terror" you can & do attack anywhere in the world you wish , killing indiscriminately ..... very troubling times indeed.


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-25 17:45:33 Reply

At 1/25/12 04:55 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Really chilling words when you look at what has been done lately in the USA.

If you can't tell the difference between post-WWI Germany and the present day United States, then the only thing that's chilling is your level of ignorance.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-25 18:52:53 Reply

At 1/25/12 05:45 PM, adrshepard wrote:
At 1/25/12 04:55 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Really chilling words when you look at what has been done lately in the USA.
If you can't tell the difference between post-WWI Germany and the present day United States, then the only thing that's chilling is your level of ignorance.

I may be stupid but I can see this plian enough
I can tell, the US has declared war on an enemy with no nation...so it is then obviously in any or all nations.
THey are rattling the war sabers over Iran possibly( that is POSSIBLY)making a nuclear bomb & imposing sanctions & rattling the saber & warning they may have to do something to stop them...yet Pakistan & more troubling North Korea gets a free pass on their nuclear bombs....but then again Pakistan & North Korea don't have a large oil reserve do they. (wink)
Iraq invade
Syria...no biggie
Lybia invade
Iran... lets get our population ready...lets scare them with Iranian weapons of mass destruction... NUCLEAR BOMBS .... Poor America we're under attack ! ! !
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The US & European economies are in the toilet, stealing the resources of other oil nations is the easiest way.... WITH THE ADDED BONUS&====> war stimulates.... depressed (aka in the toilet) economies !


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-26 11:58:35 Reply

Hi guy's
just came across this article published today.
It about the American 'petro dollar' gives you some background, explains how great it was for the American dollar at the time, then points out some of the problems the American dollar being a world currency has caused in America.
Along with some what comes next scenario stuff.

Though a couple of you might be interested in looking at it.
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold -silver-will-iran-kill-the-petrodollar-.
aspx?article=3787642784G10020&redirect=f alse&contributor=Marin+Katusa


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-29 22:58:59 Reply

I sincerely hope we don't go to war. The American economy has backed too many wars as of late and I don't know how many it can take. Dragging the country through countless wars damages us greatly, I don't know at what point too much is too much.

That being said, fuck Iran. They intend nothing but evil for the United States and the West. If it comes down to it, if surgical strikes are necessary, then so be it. It would truly be terrible if this was to happen because I feel we would hand over the reins of government to the ultra conservatives and anti Americans in doing so, but so be it.

The government of Iran is an enemy government, it would be foolish to not treat them as such.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-31 04:17:58 Reply

At 1/29/12 10:58 PM, Demosthenez wrote:
That being said, fuck Iran. They intend nothing but evil for the United States and the West. If it comes down to it, if surgical strikes are necessary, then so be it. It would truly be terrible if this was to happen because I feel we would hand over the reins of government to the ultra conservatives and anti Americans in doing so, but so be it.

The government of Iran is an enemy government, it would be foolish to not treat them as such.

That being said, the United States and the "West" intend evil for any nation who won't comply to their laws.
Why do you assume that the U.S and it's friends are always the good guys? You've got to be a fool to trust any government's assumption of who the 'terrorist' is in this situation..


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-31 18:49:10 Reply

At 1/25/12 04:06 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
At 1/25/12 12:50 PM, J1993 wrote: The best the US can hope for would be that China, Russia and India only send vast quantities of weapons and supplies to Iran, the more likely scenario is theyll send actual troops to back the Iranians turning it into at best another Vietnam for the US on top of the one already underway in Afghanistan.
Yes, all of those Turkish (by race, not by country) folks living in China and Russia can pretend to be Iranian and speak a language that sounds remotely like pharsi...

Turkic, not Turkish.

The thing about teh VietNam War and the Korean war is that Chinese and Koreans and Chinese and Vietnamese are extremely difficult to tell apart both by their physical appearance and by their spoken word. If you put an Iranian, a Russian, and a Chinese person in a room, you would easily be able to tell them apart. The same goes with their languages. They couldn't as easily pretend to be Iranian as they had done before (with their respective allies). India might be able to get away with it

Yes. Because what made the Vietnam war so difficult was the difficulty in telling the difference between Chinese and Vietnamese and say the Vietnamese sided with the Chinese (which they kind of didn't).

At 1/25/12 04:06 PM, Camarohusky wrote: (Most Americans see an Indian and think they're Mexican...)

Lol are you stupid? Indians are way too dark to be seen as Mexican, if anything they're usually mistaken for black people, even then I live in a community where there's a huge number of Indians and everyone knows the difference when they see one, the only population that is not the case for is Filipinos who actually look like Latinos.


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-31 20:20:01 Reply

At 1/31/12 04:17 AM, ClickToPlay wrote: That being said, the United States and the "West" intend evil for any nation who won't comply to their laws.

Our laws are:
Don't support Islamic terrorism.
Don't pursue WMDs.

These are pretty easy "laws" to follow.

Why do you assume that the U.S and it's friends are always the good guys? You've got to be a fool to trust any government's assumption of who the 'terrorist' is in this situation..

We didn't need the government to tell us that 9/11 was a terrorist act.

In any case, no one is saying that Iranians are terrorists or Iran is a terrorist state.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-31 20:25:30 Reply

please even if Iran launched its nuclear missile at the US we have nukes to counter the one being launched at us and then fire three at Iran itself. its a magical thing called a missile defense system kiddos.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-31 21:53:38 Reply

At 1/31/12 08:20 PM, adrshepard wrote: These are pretty easy "laws" to follow.

And according to the available evidence, Iran is following the second one. Which is the one the US is saber rattling about them breaking.


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-31 22:08:33 Reply

At 1/31/12 09:53 PM, aviewaskewed wrote: And according to the available evidence, Iran is following the second one. Which is the one the US is saber rattling about them breaking.

If you were Iran would you place evidence of a WMD program in a place where it could be seen?

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors on both sides. When it comes down to it, I trust our leaders more than Ahmena(don't care to spell it right)ajad.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-01-31 23:16:21 Reply

At 1/31/12 04:17 AM, ClickToPlay wrote: That being said, the United States and the "West" intend evil for any nation who won't comply to their laws.
Why do you assume that the U.S and it's friends are always the good guys? You've got to be a fool to trust any government's assumption of who the 'terrorist' is in this situation..

The USA hasn't threatened to blockade to Strait of Hormuz, violating the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas. That is a bad guy move.

I firmly believe the Iranians would sink every American ship in the Strait if they thought they could get away with it. And if I had to choose sides, I'm going to pick the West. Maybe Iran is not evil, but they don't stand for anything (their government at the very least) that is worth protecting. I believe what we have is worth fighting for. Iran is trying to challenge our system and mess up its balance by introducing nukes so they, unfortunately, need to be checked in one way or another.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-02 01:20:17 Reply

At 1/31/12 11:16 PM, Demosthenez wrote:
At 1/31/12 04:17 AM, ClickToPlay wrote: That being said, the United States and the "West" intend evil for any nation who won't comply to their laws.
Why do you assume that the U.S and it's friends are always the good guys? You've got to be a fool to trust any government's assumption of who the 'terrorist' is in this situation..
The USA hasn't threatened to blockade to Strait of Hormuz, violating the UN Convention on the Law of the Seas. That is a bad guy move.

I'm going to pick the West. Maybe Iran is not evil, but they don't stand for anything (their government at the very least) that is worth protecting.

They want to protect their own people something we would do too if we were being pushed around by the big kids

I believe what we have is worth fighting for.

what is that?Our way of life? Obama and the rest of DC are fucking that up besides we're the most militarily advanced nation we can defend ourselves from space ffs. Learn about both sides and you'll see US is the bad guys(again) we are just the viewers.

Iran is trying to challenge our system and mess up its balance by introducing nukes so they, unfortunately, need to be checked in one way or another.

Pakistan has nukes . China has nukes. North Korea has nukes. Israel has nukes. Every nation that shouldn't have nukes has nukes. One country building them won't mean shit especially if those nukes can barely reach 50 miles .


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-02 20:51:32 Reply

At 1/31/12 10:08 PM, Camarohusky wrote: If you were Iran would you place evidence of a WMD program in a place where it could be seen?

Isn't this basically the line the Bush Administration used to push Iraq and the idea that the UN weapons inspectors were wrong and that of course there was WMD? I think it was...and that worked out so very very well and we got tons of material off of that...

I love how everybody assumes the UN is incompetent in their fact finding on this stuff and never gets anything right...

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors on both sides.

Especially ours, the side that has seemingly mastered smoke and mirrors reasoning to initiate military action.

When it comes down to it, I trust our leaders more than Ahmena(don't care to spell it right)ajad.

It's not a question of trusting Iran, it's a question of trusting the inspectors that have gone into Iran, looked around, and said "hey guys, nothing here". The last time we faced this situation, the US said it knew better then the UN, was willing to engage in solo unilateral war, and we're only now digging out of the quagmire that was only supposed to take a year or 2 at most.


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-03 13:08:03 Reply

Attacking Iran on the whims of an increasingly paranoid nation (Israel) would be catastrophic. Israel can feel completely safe, and comfortable knowing the entire West will be behind them so this makes them attacking Iran a more feasible and applicable action. Israel is trying to drag us into another war. We shouldn't even be thinking about war.

We need to concentrate on our own domestic issues. Everyone who is encouraging an actual military conflict with Iran now is just not seeing things in the long term. We the U.S. will become synonymous with hegemony and impulsive tendencies when it comes to warring with others. We need to scale back our incredibly hostile mentality, and stop sacrificing our people for an empty threat like Iran.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-03 14:29:40 Reply

At 1/31/12 08:20 PM, adrshepard wrote:
At 1/31/12 04:17 AM, ClickToPlay wrote: That being said, the United States and the "West" intend evil for any nation who won't comply to their laws.
Our laws are:
Don't support Islamic terrorism.
Don't pursue WMDs.

These are pretty easy "laws" to follow.

The problem is all of Irans major enemies have nukes, how would you feel if the US didnt for the sake of argument have any but China, North Korea, Iran etc did. Additionally as far as foreign policy is concerned you forgot let our companies pillage your country or we'll stage a coup.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-03 14:42:23 Reply

At 1/25/12 04:06 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
Yes, all of those Turkish (by race, not by country) folks living in China and Russia can pretend to be Iranian and speak a language that sounds remotely like pharsi...

The thing about teh VietNam War and the Korean war is that Chinese and Koreans and Chinese and Vietnamese are extremely difficult to tell apart both by their physical appearance and by their spoken word. If you put an Iranian, a Russian, and a Chinese person in a room, you would easily be able to tell them apart. The same goes with their languages. They couldn't as easily pretend to be Iranian as they had done before (with their respective allies). India might be able to get away with it (Most Americans see an Indian and think they're Mexican...) but I don't see why India would want to side with Iran, who, theoretically, sides with Pakistan on the Kashmir issue.

They dont have to be the same countries like China do things because theyre in their interests not because anyone involved looks like them, same could be said of the US and frankly any country ever.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-03 19:05:35 Reply

At 1/31/12 08:20 PM, adrshepard wrote: Don't pursue WMDs.

You do pursue WMDs, hell the United States of America has the largest stockpile of WMDs in the World, and I probably won't be too far off, or even wrong, in saying more than every other nation combined.
What you compensating for? What's an 'innocent' country got so hard to protect? If anything, all these countries you seem to be cancelling out 20-30 years after polishing their governments is getting kinda fishy, but I have no idea why presidents around the world don't seem to see the US's Foreign Policy like that.
Oh maybe they're all just as bad.


We didn't need the government to tell us that 9/11 was a terrorist act.

Yeah, well I didn't need conspiracy theories to tell me that the war in Iraq was an long-term occupation, not just 'long-term' pursuit of liberation.


In any case, no one is saying that Iranians are terrorists or Iran is a terrorist state.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-14 10:46:40 Reply

Barack Obama said that he won't support israel http://consortiumnews.com/2012/02/02/obama-to-israel-us-wont -join-war-on-iran/

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-14 11:33:46 Reply

At 45 minutes ago, SaidenFiction wrote: Barack Obama said that he won't support israel

of course he wouldn't.

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At 3 hours ago, Tony-DarkGrave wrote:
At 45 minutes ago, SaidenFiction wrote: Barack Obama said that he won't support israel
of course he wouldn't.

He has said that he 100% unconditionally supports Israel. As every American president has said.


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-15 18:36:58 Reply

Quite a bit of saber-rattling from Ahmadinejad , but isn't this routine by now? I mean, he may be crazy, but he's not stupid.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-16 12:00:22 Reply

when Iran does get invaded we should just bomb the living hell out of it then go through it on the ground with armored cavalry then start over its not like anything of real importance comes from Iran.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-17 12:45:15 Reply

Okay, the majority of us are obviously war weary. maybe Iran is a threat, but most likely they are not, I don't see any reason to believe Iran is any more dangerous than Iraq was, and I think the fault goes to the US government for being the boy who cried WMD.

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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-17 15:29:37 Reply

At 2 hours ago, Iron-Hampster wrote: Okay, the majority of us are obviously war weary. maybe Iran is a threat, but most likely they are not, I don't see any reason to believe Iran is any more dangerous than Iraq was, and I think the fault goes to the US government for being the boy who cried WMD.

Oh wow, what a great quote.. haha.


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Response to Why Iran should be invaded 2012-02-17 19:52:47 Reply

I don't think Iran would have the balls to do it. Even the UN knows Iraq is twice as dangerous as Iran will ever be, plus there civillians and more terrified of soldiers than just about any other country. If Iran's planning to start war with anyone it's some small urban middle eastern nation nobody considers a threat.


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