At 1/21/12 08:38 AM, Korriken wrote:
Before the flaming begins, pay attention.
1. Iran is working on enriching uranium. they say its for peaceful nuclear fuel, but this is the same nation that is actively funding groups that perform Jihadist attacks (to hell with calling it "terrorism") on non Islamic soil.
A fallacious connection to make. Just because Iran has done this(By the way, it seems that Israel has done this before. Perhaps we should invade them since they have nuclear weapons), it doesn't mean that they're lying when they say that the uranium enrichment is for peaceful purposes.
2. Iran's supreme leader (their "president" is just a puppet) is an extreme Islamic Ayatollah, who of course would love to see nothing more than a completely Islamic world. They also believe that to die in a war against the infidel gets you sent straight to heaven.
Prove it. I challenge you to prove your claims correct.
3. Iran wants Israel gone. They can't accomplish this with conventional means, Israel has better technology and is back by America and parts of Europe. If Iran were to try and invade they would be obliterated and Iran would be brought to its knees. however, with a nuclear missile, they have a lot more leverage.
As Warforger said, Israel already has nuclear weapons. Iran wouldn't gain much leverage against Israel or anyone else if they created a nuclear weapon. If they were to use such a weapon, mutually assured destruction will result. If you recall, mutually assured destruction was what deterred the U.S. from attacking the Soviet Union with nukes and vice versa.
4. Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has been visiting anti American countries in South America. why? to sell them oil? of course not. Venezuela produces its own oil.
Just because a country produces its own oil, that doesn't mean that they don't import oil. The U.S. produces its own oil, and yet it imports oil from Canada, Saudi Arabia, and several other countries.
to make the world see their allies? pfft. Venezuela's army is about as strong as a foam noodle in a sword fight. no. The real reason why Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is in places like Venezuela is to see about setting up missiles sites there to point them at America.
Please substantiate this outrageous claim.
Once they have nuclear missiles, they get them there, point them at America and say, "you mess with us, we launch the nukes!"
All of what you said regarding the relationship between Iran and Venezuela is highly unlikely. Again, I request that you substantiate this outrageous claim.
Of course, once this happens, America has 2 choices, 1. try to destroy those nuclear sites, 2. be Iran's bitch.
This is a false dichotomy; a logical fallacy.
Also, I didn't know that refusal to destroy such sites constituted being submissive to Iran.
Not that it would matter, Once Iran has nuclear capabilities, so will Al Qaeda, The Taliban, and other Jihadist groups. why? simple. setting off a conventional car bomb might kill a dozen or so people, but a small nuke would wipe out thousands and leave destructive fallout.
How would these terrorist groups even use nuclear weapons. It seems unfeasible to me.
It would be in the world's best interest to invade Iran,
That's what was said about Iraq and Vietnam.
destroy their navy, destroy the enrichment centers, and either kill their scientists or force them to defect. Toppling the government is optional.
Destruction, murder, conquering, and subversion....
People like you disgust me. You're so eager to wage war after war. You're so eager to spill the blood of our servicemen and women unnecessarily so that you can eliminate threats that you can't even prove to exist. People like you perpetuate the negative opinions held by non-Americans that the U.S. is imperialistic. People like you don't give a shit about the consequences. People like you merely want to satisfy their desires assert some kind of dominance over other nations.
People like you have stigmatized American patriotism. Reexamine your beliefs and the information that you know to be true, and tell me that it is OK to continue to topple governments all over the world whose interests conflict with our own.
I sincerely wish that neoconservatives such as yourself never come to power in significant numbers.