At 1/17/12 03:41 PM, adrshepard wrote:
The difference is that a successful negotiation always results in the criminal or terrorist turning himself in to the higher authority. In diplomacy, there is no higher authority; the two groups are meeting as equals.
You have a funny idea of how diplomacy works.
Having a family and knowing normal people is not a normal life. Getting a job, settling down, sending your kids to school, that is a normal life.
You have a funny idea of what "normal" means.
Bullshit. You simultaneously humanize the enemy by saying they live normal lives yet reduce them into mindless reactionary zealots. Pick one and stick with it.
You have a funny way of completely misreading what is written.
Look, stop calling it "military revenge." There were more than enough practical reasons to justify the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq. Also, stop blaming the US for the victims of terrorists. They are human, they chose to attack civilians, the responsibility lies with them exclusively.
B) I have never blamed America for the actions of the 9/11 terrorists.
As though out of all the members of Al-Qaida, they were the only ones willing to do such a horrible thing. As if the suicide bombings of mosques and markets aren't reprehensible enough to merit any action.
Right, so we're thought police now. If you have any animosity toward the US, whether or not you have performed any offensive action, you should die. Gotcha.
Because Iraq and Afghanistan are such safe havens for Al-Qaida now? The group is almost universally despised in Iraq, and has only a token presence in Afghanistan. The places where it thrives, like Yemen and Somalia, have the lightest US military footprint.
Indeed it thrives in places where we are not. This is the problem. Do you want us to occupy every country that might harbor Al-Qaida? That's sure to reduce their numbers and curry us favor in the region. And it won't stretch our forces too thin to be effective anywhere at all. Brilliant idea!
The only diplomacy that will ever work is the kind in which Al-Qaida renounces terrorism and violence, forfeits its goals, or disbands entirely.
Ah, to see things in such simple black-and-white terms as you again. Ignorance really is bliss. Like I said before, if you want to believe that we should (and are able) to just kill them all and everything will be okay and no repercussions will ever happen from doing (or, rather, trying) so, then that's your right. However, if it were actually that simple, don't you think it would have been accomplished already? We've been there for a decade. How long do we need? Infinite occupation? Just turn Iraq and Afghanistan into the 51st and 52nd States? You have no end game, no ultimate goal, other than killing people. That is merely a tool in the strategy to gain a greater goal, not the goal itself.