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You do realize that without Satan God would probobly kill himself out of bordom because watching our evolutions like playing an idle game whos only button is play and good/evil are just two sides of the same coin(Darth vader/luke skywalker)

I think of the whole adam and eve thing as a metaphor. To me satan is not as "bad" as everyone thinks. You see satan represents knowlage and he gave us our knowlage of the world via the apple or what ever. To me in this "story" god wanted us to be his animals and to remain ignorant of the world. Satan gave us the knowalge and now look at us.

So it makes you think how many wars, credit crunches, decite and all the wrong stuff with world would thier be if we were still cave men? Yeah not much proberly however our knowlage is also our free will in a way.

Dont blame the devil for all the evil in the world, blame ourselfs. The devil only gave us the freedom to commit a evil deed.

At 1/8/12 10:25 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:21 PM, Insanctuary wrote: No, you do not live the best you are to be. That is blatant enough.

You forgot to put "to my self righteous view" before the last period

It's not about being self-righteous. It's about making the best of any situation; which involves ourselves aswell. Our minds are truly brilliant, and we are able to do incredible things.. Yet this is the best you make out of yourself. *claps*

At 1/8/12 10:29 PM, Insanctuary wrote: It's not about being self-righteous. It's about making the best of any situation; which involves ourselves aswell. Our minds are truly brilliant, and we are able to do incredible things.. Yet this is the best you make out of yourself. *claps*

"It's about making the best of any situation. Except if doing that is something I wouldn't. Then it's bad."

At 1/8/12 11:38 AM, MsRukia wrote: I think that Satan is a pretty cool guy compared to this Yahweh fellow.

This post just about sums up everything I was going to say.

At 1/8/12 10:31 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:29 PM, Insanctuary wrote: It's not about being self-righteous. It's about making the best of any situation; which involves ourselves aswell. Our minds are truly brilliant, and we are able to do incredible things.. Yet this is the best you make out of yourself. *claps*

"It's about making the best of any situation. Except if doing that is something I wouldn't. Then it's bad."

You know it's weak. You know what you are doing is the lesser form of you can do. You choose not to capitalise on your potential. You just let it go to waste, because you take life for granted.

At 1/8/12 10:39 PM, Insanctuary wrote: You know it's weak. You know what you are doing is the lesser form of you can do. You choose not to capitalise on your potential. You just let it go to waste, because you take life for granted.

Nope. Personally I view humanity to be able to do whatever the fuck we please at any moment and all you need to do is dedicate 8 hours of your day doing shit to be able to that, to show just how powerful humanity is. Please explain to me how your intentions are any more noble, when self gratification is all anyone cares about at the core.

At 1/8/12 10:39 PM, Insanctuary wrote: You know it's weak. You know what you are doing is the lesser form of you can do. You choose not to capitalise on your potential. You just let it go to waste, because you take life for granted.

How the fuck would you know that about him?

How, specifically are you not taking life for granted? What makes you better?

I don't mean to randomly but in on your argument but seriously, what are you even trying to say?

At 1/8/12 10:43 PM, bgraybr wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:39 PM, Insanctuary wrote: You know it's weak. You know what you are doing is the lesser form of you can do. You choose not to capitalise on your potential. You just let it go to waste, because you take life for granted.

How the fuck would you know that about him?

How, specifically are you not taking life for granted? What makes you better?

I don't mean to randomly but in on your argument but seriously, what are you even trying to say?

He proves it again and again?

I'm trying to bring out the best of as many people as I can, so we can look at the bigger picture of our world?

I don't mind.. It's going to be a bit troublesome trying to respond to both of you with the NG respond limit though.

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RACIST, is that what you really think? That we are all NATURALLY selfish? Where do you get such laughable claims from? Did it ever occur to you that people 'choose' to be ignorant; weak; selfish; etc? We have the ability to be better, but we choose to do the exact opposite because being better.. is completely inconvenient.

Why not go down the easy road, right guys? Even though it's an act of weakness, right?

At 1/8/12 10:48 PM, Insanctuary wrote: He proves it again and again?

"Judging by my criteria that only I know about and I won't tell anyone what it is"

I'm trying to bring out the best of as many people as I can, so we can look at the bigger picture of our world?

What bigger picture?

RACIST, is that what you really think? That we are all NATURALLY selfish? Where do you get such laughable claims from? Did it ever occur to you that people 'choose' to be ignorant; weak; selfish; etc? We have the ability to be better, but we choose to do the exact opposite because being better.. is completely inconvenient.

I get it from people who do things FOR SCIENCE. And who, you know, actually study brain composition and the chemicals that are released and shit and people who dive into the human phsyche.

See, you keep calling it ignorant and weak. But you won't explain what it is without having the other one in the definition

Why not go down the easy road, right guys? Even though it's an act of weakness, right?

Right. Because it is so easy to be on the BBS "Saving the world" then working your ass off every day so you can party every night

At 1/8/12 10:51 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:48 PM, Insanctuary wrote: He proves it again and again?

"Judging by my criteria that only I know about and I won't tell anyone what it is"

I'm trying to bring out the best of as many people as I can, so we can look at the bigger picture of our world?

What bigger picture?

RACIST, is that what you really think? That we are all NATURALLY selfish? Where do you get such laughable claims from? Did it ever occur to you that people 'choose' to be ignorant; weak; selfish; etc? We have the ability to be better, but we choose to do the exact opposite because being better.. is completely inconvenient.

I get it from people who do things FOR SCIENCE. And who, you know, actually study brain composition and the chemicals that are released and shit and people who dive into the human phsyche.

See, you keep calling it ignorant and weak. But you won't explain what it is without having the other one in the definition

Why not go down the easy road, right guys? Even though it's an act of weakness, right?

Right. Because it is so easy to be on the BBS "Saving the world" then working your ass off every day so you can party every night

1. Actually.. I have about 8 people who knows this criteria of mine, not because of me, but because they want to make the best out of themselves. They are also quite brilliant, if I do say so myself.

2. You know.. The world, and it's problems.. How humans are seen as harmless when their ideas are twisted and generated out of their ignorance.. The usual big picture that not many people see, or want to see.

3. Yes, and scientists are humans too. They built on an imaginary foundation that was created by labelling our world, and adding value; measurements that didn't actually exist.. Like we can paint an already painted world.. If that is your rolemodel.. You are doomed.

4. I don't see why you have a difficult time seeing that your ignorance, and your weakness spawns from you not becoming a better person that you are right now. You CAN be, but you choose not to be. You wish to stay self-centered, listening to scientists like they have the answers.. convoluting life's nature with your 'facts' that also stems from SCIENCE. While I am doing my grand best to look at everything as a whole, not be selfish or selfless.. To create balance, and add the real pieces of the puzzle together without being bias; objective, and selfish.

5. I'm only 19, I said this a few times already. I am still sojourning for now.. I'm still building this philosophy of mine, and when I feel when I am ready [I can't afford to make any mistakes..] I will do something great with it, because you know.. I actually devote myself to life as a whole, and not selfish intentions.

At 1/8/12 02:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: God intentionally created a self-aware being able to make his own decisions. As I said before, foreknowledge of another (independent) action, is not a factor with which one can determine responsibility. Lucifer created Satan through his actions.

I never read much of the bible, but here's my input:

According to the bible (I think), God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent. That automatically qualifies him as being responsible for not only the creation of evil, but the creation of everything that has ever existed, that currently exists, and that will ever exist. To make an argument saying that God is not responsible for the creation of Satan is simply invalid. Yes Lucifer is responsible for rebelling against God and "Getting Kicked out of Heaven". An argument that God creating Lucifer and Lucifer becoming Satan doesn't necessarily make God responsible for Satans existance is valid because Lucifer would've became Satan on his own in this case. But the fact that an omniscient God knew that Lucifer was going do what he did makes God responsible. Omniscience is what ties God to Satan. If God didn't create a Lucifer that would rebel against him is his Kingdom, Satan wouldn't exist.

God created the Satan so there could be balance. Without evil, there is no good. Without good, there is not evil. Hence, God is considered good, and Satan is considered evil.

I believe

At 1/8/12 11:21 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 02:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

Hence, God is considered good, and Satan is considered evil.

I believe

You got it backwards.

At 1/8/12 11:25 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:21 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 02:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

Hence, God is considered good, and Satan is considered evil.

I believe

You got it backwards.

Explaination...?

At 1/8/12 11:42 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:25 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:21 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 02:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

Hence, God is considered good, and Satan is considered evil.

I believe

You got it backwards.

Explaination...?

The Devil was never 'evil' as much as he was depicted? The Devil never really did anything?

God on the other hand.. >:C

At 1/8/12 11:44 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:42 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:25 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:21 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

At 1/8/12 02:22 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

Hence, God is considered good, and Satan is considered evil.

I believe

You got it backwards.

Explaination...?

The Devil was never 'evil' as much as he was depicted? The Devil never really did anything?

God on the other hand.. >:C

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

that feel when you all ignored my decent post

At 1/8/12 11:53 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

what if im going off neither are good or bad its just a matter of perception

At 1/9/12 12:37 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:53 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

what if im going off neither are good or bad its just a matter of perception

What if you can't pretend what is obviously true?

The Devil is the same victim as everyone else who is blamed for self righteous pricks' problems.

Seems to me that the Devil was a very informative man.

At 1/9/12 12:42 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:37 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:53 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

what if im going off neither are good or bad its just a matter of perception

What if you can't pretend what is obviously true?

The Devil is the same victim as everyone else who is blamed for self righteous pricks' problems.

Seems to me that the Devil was a very informative man.

i do realize hes a catalyst but gods a stabilizer and he did lead a rebellion agenst the allmighty because if he is omnipotent he wouldve planned it so satan=catalyst for development God=Stabilizer for socity
Me:Neutral who praises whoever earns it at the time

At 1/9/12 12:51 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:42 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/9/12 12:37 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:53 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 11:50 PM, dlxrevolution wrote:

It may not seem that way if you really break it down, but on behalf of general knowledge, god is considered good and Satan is considered bad. That's what I was going off of.

What if I consider Devil good, and God bad? That's what I was going off of.

what if im going off neither are good or bad its just a matter of perception

What if you can't pretend what is obviously true?

The Devil is the same victim as everyone else who is blamed for self righteous pricks' problems.

Seems to me that the Devil was a very informative man.

i do realize hes a catalyst but gods a stabilizer and he did lead a rebellion agenst the allmighty because if he is omnipotent he wouldve planned it so satan=catalyst for development God=Stabilizer for socity
Me:Neutral who praises whoever earns it at the time

I'd believe Satan over God any day.

Satan never talked about himself like he was some almighty; omniscient; omnipotent being.

It's God this. God that. God is the world. God is us. Only love God. Nothing else exists. Just God. God is everything.

Pfhahahaha

and yet i am neutral in this matter and my belief in this matter waxes and wanes based on proof...give me proof of your deitys "glory" and ill weigh it on a case by case basis and ajust my praise from there kapeich?

It keeps things interesting. No antagonist for a plot is like a book with no end.

At 1/9/12 01:06 AM, beardkiller wrote: and yet i am neutral in this matter and my belief in this matter waxes and wanes based on proof...give me proof of your deitys "glory" and ill weigh it on a case by case basis and ajust my praise from there kapeich?

What proof? I don't even believe in the God or Devil. I'm just pointing out that the Devil was vilified by God.

At 1/9/12 01:17 AM, Insanctuary wrote:
What proof? I don't even believe in the God or Devil. I'm just pointing out that the Devil was vilified by God.

im saying attempt to persuade me to your side so please attempt it

At 1/9/12 01:22 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:17 AM, Insanctuary wrote:
What proof? I don't even believe in the God or Devil. I'm just pointing out that the Devil was vilified by God.

im saying attempt to persuade me to your side so please attempt it

Well, one of the most interesting concepts that made me realise that the Devil isn't all that evil, is the concept where the Devil grants wishes to a mortal. Yet, the Devil does not for any of his own intentions onto the mortal. The mortal was evil, and had evil intentions.. The Devil only answered their wishes.

If man was not evil, the Devil would not be evil, God would be powerless.

I'm sure this has been said by now, but oh well.

The lulz.

At 1/9/12 01:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:22 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:17 AM, Insanctuary wrote:
What proof? I don't even believe in the God or Devil. I'm just pointing out that the Devil was vilified by God.

im saying attempt to persuade me to your side so please attempt it

Well, one of the most interesting concepts that made me realise that the Devil isn't all that evil, is the concept where the Devil grants wishes to a mortal. Yet, the Devil does not for any of his own intentions onto the mortal. The mortal was evil, and had evil intentions.. The Devil only answered their wishes.

If man was not evil, the Devil would not be evil, God would be powerless.

Your basicly saying that satan has accepted that he was branded evil and is trying to make the most of his condemed existance by having some fun and granting wishes to sombody else who was branded an evil man

At 1/9/12 01:39 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:29 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:22 AM, beardkiller wrote:

At 1/9/12 01:17 AM, Insanctuary wrote:

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Your basicly saying that satan has accepted that he was branded evil and is trying to make the most of his condemed existance by having some fun and granting wishes to sombody else who was branded an evil man

No. My point is that the Devil is not evil. It is man that is evil, and has always been.