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^ I love that quote.

At 1/8/12 02:09 PM, EmmaVolt wrote: However, this age, I believe, is not deductive of the "apparent age" of the Earth. If you will notice, all throughout the creation section of Genesis, all created things are so in "adult form". Birds, trees, land animals, humans, etc are all created in their prime - not as children.

Out of genuine curiosity, do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

It called Irony

At 1/8/12 11:48 AM, XD0042006 wrote: yeah, now you know why you are not suppose to read the bible like you would a science text book. just like many other fictional stories, its full of inconsistencies

so romantic i wanna go back to my old siggy now

Because then the world would be boring and God doesn't like to be bored.

This whole thread is dicks.

At 1/8/12 06:30 PM, Xyphon202 wrote: This one seems like a load of hooey to try to make sense of inconsistencies between the bible and new discoveries.

Yep. That's all people will ever be able to do - try and fill the gaps with hollow explanations.

The fact remains, they're still trying to cover up the inconsistencies of an old book of mythology. It will always have holes in it, because the people who wrote it were far less advanced than us. A talking snake could slide back then.

It's still ridiculous to me that anybody can believe in this book. It's just a fucking book. Is the Philosopher's Stone proof of Harry Potter? No. The Bible proves nothing.

Why on earth would you ever believe this book of fairytales was true? Do we take the Illiad, or the Odyssey to represent true, factual accounts of historical events? No. We do not.
Faith is not an adequate substitute for reason or evidence. It is believing in something with lack of - or in spite of - evidence.
Anyone who has faith must surely be an idiot, or delusional. Probably both.

Explain to me, Christians. Tell me why you think this old book, written in the Bronze ages by goatherds, with no proof or scientific evidence to back it up, must be the best explanation for the Universe's existence.

inb4 no Christians can, because they don't like the truth

I'm pretty sure Satan was just another regular archangel that turned against God and waged war against him, and he ended up getting banished. I don't think he expected him to turn out like he did.

Then again, I don't keep up with any religion, so I might be wrong

Better question: Why does humanity care so much why we are here if we are destroying everything in the process?

Why does humanity cares so much how they are here if the answer itself still wouldn't constitute anything afterwards?

Why does humanity persist on worrying about why we are here, in the entire existence of the human race, when we need to make the best out of now?

Why does humanity insist on explaining what they can't explain with ridiculous explanations they can't explain?

At 1/8/12 06:22 PM, Scarface wrote:

At 1/8/12 02:09 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

At 1/8/12 01:44 PM, Scarface wrote: So my other question is, does Satan have any effect on Earth?

Satan and his followers are able to utilize things such as disease, emotional/psychological pain, and animals to cause suffering. However, he is unable to harm a follower of Christ unless allowed (God never allows anything that we cannot handle and that won't make us stronger).

Forgive me for saying this, but that last part just sounds like bullshit. If something good happens, it's God's work, if something bad happens, it's just making us stronger. Why do God and Satan (or his followers) need to have ANY influence on Earth at all? Shouldn't it be just the people on Earth and no one else?

I cannot answer the last questions because it they are way to open ended, sorry. Should I clarify my point? Satan is the one who causes pain - but God must allow this (so that we are not given anything we cannot handle). God will help us through it and use this in us to make us stronger, if we are willing.

Can he tempt people, can he speak to them or convince them to do things?

Yes and no. Satan and his followers are able to make things appear attractive that can be extremely detrimental to your physical, emotional, and mental health. However, he is unable to completely control one's will. One must make a conscious decision whether or not to give into the temptation - which will always result negatively despite positive (temporary) emotions.

Why doesn't God just revoke that power?

Well, I cannot speak for God, but I would assume it is partly due to what i said above, and His allowance of freedom. But, this is halfhearted as I am not able to answer this fully.

Can he deceive them, or make the Earth seem older than it is (referring to Genesis and the Earth actually being 4.6 billion years old). Could Satan make the earth seem 4.6 billion years old if it wasn't?

Now, with regard to the age of the Earth, I believe you are hinting that believers are deceived into believing the world is 6,000 years old (or, perhaps that non-believers are deceived). Here is what I know:

I was referring to the world being 6,000 years old (I personally don't believe that) and Satan making it appear to scientists as 4.6 billion years old.

My answer still stands that yes, Satan could deceive even one person and cause a chain reaction of "smart people". But, your example was poor as I showed.

Does this make sense?

It makes sense, because I suppose God could just create something as being 4.6 billion years old if he wanted, but why would he? What's the point?

In order to sustain life, cause a habitable universe, and maybe even gift us with the glorious night sky. But again, you are asking a "Why would He" question, which I cannot answer definitively without some sort of opinion.

Also, DINOSAURS! They were never mentioned in the bible, and it's been proven that man and dinosaurs never existed on Earth at the same time. What explaination is there for that?

Yes they were. In Genesis, they are included with "land animals", "creatures of the sea", etc. Also, you should research the Behemoth and Leviathan - presumably dinosaurs during the time of Job. And no, it has not been proven that humans existed without dinosaurs forever; in fact, there is plentiful evidence to the contrary - such as footprints in limestone layers. Moreover, I, and many others, are curious as to why so many ancient civilizations depict large reptilian beings in their art when the earliest dinosaur recovered was in the 1800's.

I would also like to add that the word "dinosaur" is a recent invention. It used to be called "dragon".

I can defend this argument by stating that a universe created in "baby/youth" form would not have been able to support the Earth as it would have plausibly been extremely hostile to life.

I don't quite understand what you meant there, could you explain that part in greater detail? Are you saying the universe and Earth were created at the same time? Because that's not quite it. Scientists theorize that the universe is 10-15 billion years old, so it would have had time to 'mature' before the Earth was created, 4.6 billion years ago. Unless that's not what you meant, and if not, please explain.

You are mixing the apparent and actual ages again. The actual age of both the Earth and the universe is 6-14,000 years old (from creation). But, the apparent ages for them are different (just as adult trees, animals, and humans were different "ages"). Does this make more sense?

Why doesn't God revoke that power?

God allows some truths to be hidden away so that His glory may be seen by those who find the truth, and spread it to others.

Why would he want to hide the truth? Why wouldn't he want his glory to be apparent to everyone?

He does not hide the truth, he allows it to be hidden due to our freedoms and revealed through those who are willing to seek it - who also tend to be believers.

So from threading posts in this thread I have come to this conclusion:

1. Lucifer = Beautiful angel
2. Lucifer thinks God = Bad man
3. Lucifer challenges God to a duel
4. God is coward and sends Lucifer to hell as Satan
5. Satan is actual good guy and God is just pussy

All hail Satan

At 1/8/12 09:02 PM, PyroGreg wrote: So from threading posts in this thread I have come to this conclusion:

reading* not threading

At 1/8/12 06:36 PM, MsRukia wrote: Out of genuine curiosity, do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

I believe in observational science, and do not consider interpretational pseudo-science to be valid. Of the theory, I only believe the observable, microevolution category, and not the unfalsifiable macro.

At 1/8/12 11:47 AM, Magical-Zorse wrote: Every book needs an antagonist.

I lol'd.

At 1/8/12 09:06 PM, Xyphon202 wrote: Why in the hell would God or Satan or whoever make the earth seem older than it is. That makes absolutely no sense. At all. Why can't you answer it?

I never said this. I said the Earth seems older because it was created in adult form. There was never meant to be a misinterpretation.

At 1/8/12 08:52 PM, Insanctuary wrote: Why does humanity persist on worrying about why we are here, in the entire existence of the human race, when we need to make the best out of now?

Wait a second, I thought you were all against living for the moment?

At 1/8/12 09:06 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

At 1/8/12 06:36 PM, MsRukia wrote: Out of genuine curiosity, do you believe in the Theory of Evolution?

I believe in observational science, and do not consider interpretational pseudo-science to be valid.

The Theory of Evolution has been proven. That's why it's called a scientific theory. It's entirely observational, by the way. We observe the fossils.

Of the theory, I only believe the observable, microevolution category, and not the unfalsifiable macro.

Macroevolution is only microevolution over a very long period of time. You can't believe in one but not the other. That's like saying that a runner can run 10 meters, but cannot run 100.

If you don't believe me, I'll happily give you the definitions of both words.

At 1/8/12 09:11 PM, EmmaVolt wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:06 PM, Xyphon202 wrote: Why in the hell would God or Satan or whoever make the earth seem older than it is. That makes absolutely no sense. At all. Why can't you answer it?

I never said this. I said the Earth seems older because it was created in adult form. There was never meant to be a misinterpretation.

That makes no sense. We know that the Earth was created as a result of dust and debris from the leftovers of the newly created Solar System(I think, I don't know the specifics). The Earth was a hot ball of molten mass that eventually cooled. Come on, we've proven this.

And there is no "adult form" of any planet. I don't know why you think the Earth was just created as it is.

At 1/8/12 09:14 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 08:52 PM, Insanctuary wrote: Why does humanity persist on worrying about why we are here, in the entire existence of the human race, when we need to make the best out of now?

Wait a second, I thought you were all against living for the moment?

'Making the best out of now'. What you deem as 'best' is not the 'best'.

At 1/8/12 09:39 PM, Insanctuary wrote: 'Making the best out of now'. What you deem as 'best' is not the 'best'.

I forgot, that jobs up to you

At 1/8/12 09:40 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:39 PM, Insanctuary wrote: 'Making the best out of now'. What you deem as 'best' is not the 'best'.

I forgot, that jobs up to you

No. It's a job anyone can do, but choose not to do.

"Why Did God Create Satan?"

He was bored. Nothing better to do. Loneliness.

There done.

At 1/8/12 09:44 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:40 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:39 PM, Insanctuary wrote: 'Making the best out of now'. What you deem as 'best' is not the 'best'.

I forgot, that jobs up to you

No. It's a job anyone can do, but choose not to do.

Wait, so everyone can do the job but me?

Dawh, I'm more special then 7 billion people

At 1/8/12 09:58 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:44 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:40 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 09:39 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

Dawh, I'm more special then 7 billion people

You can.. but choose not to.

At 1/8/12 10:00 PM, Insanctuary wrote: You can.. but choose not to.

Oh yeah, I forgot you were the sole authority on the subject.

At 1/8/12 10:02 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:00 PM, Insanctuary wrote: You can.. but choose not to.

Oh yeah, I forgot you were the sole authority on the subject.

No. I'm just making the best out of myself. While you choose not to. It's not that difficult to realise.

Think of this:

Darkness does not exist, but light does. Everything in existence has energy. Since darkness has no energy, it doesn't technically exist. Darkness is the absence of light.

Cold does not exist, but heat does. Same as above; cold is the absence of heat.

So evil does not exist, but love does. Evil is the absence of God's love.

At 1/8/12 10:12 PM, Insanctuary wrote: No. I'm just making the best out of myself. While you choose not to. It's not that difficult to realise.

It's convenient that only people who make the best out of themselves by your criteria are allowed to have an opinion on what making the best out of themselves actually is

Good cannot exist with evil, evil cannot exist with good.

At 1/8/12 10:15 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 1/8/12 10:12 PM, Insanctuary wrote:

It's convenient that only people who make the best out of themselves by your criteria are allowed to have an opinion on what making the best out of themselves actually is.

No, you do not live the best you are to be. That is blatant enough.

At 1/8/12 10:21 PM, Insanctuary wrote: No, you do not live the best you are to be. That is blatant enough.

You forgot to put "to my self righteous view" before the last period