Why ron paul rules

[Punisher33]

Ron paul rules for so many reasons. for one. he is the only consistent politician. two he's the only one who want's to bring all the troops home and end the war. Three he wants to see all the people free. he is the only one who talks about in equality for minorities instead of practicing how people should be politically correct. three. he's not a racist. four he knows the economy inside out five he has accurately predicted everything that has happened thus far. four. he is the only one who would rather debate the economy than stupid shit like abortion. Those are my reasons why i think ron paul is the best man for the job.

[Tony-DarkGrave]

Don't think so. he is a old man who wants to push to many outdated policies that wont work in todays world. his views on fixing the economy is LITERAL SUICIDE. getting rid of the Federal Reserve and going back to hard currency (gold or precious metals ) which wouldn't work at all becasue there isn't enough of it tp work anymore and the current gold reserve backed system works just fine.
getting rid of the income tax would be retarded because its the one of the biggest government inflows for cash next to Social security and others.and the fact he wants to abandon long term allies like Israel and other countries in the region. and the fact he wants to get rid of the TSA and voting NO on the Patriot Act.

his social views are ridiculous allowing prayer in school which is a violation of church and state. allowing extra protection to whistle blowers, and ending conscription (which hasn't been evoked since vietnam I believe dont quote me to tired to check.)

and all the other "good shit" he preaches is a rainbows and sunshine but when it comes down to it and he did become president his execution of making america better would turn it even worse than it already is. his number in 08 were PITIFUL he only had a FRACTION of Electoral Votes and Delegates needed to get Rep Nomination I don't know why the enile old fuck even tries he is just wasting his time and a whole lot of DISAPPOINTMENT.

in a nutshell its like communism all nice and pretty on paper and in the ears but when it gets carried out it will be a EPIC FAIL. Thats why he doesn't have a chance in hell in winning

[BlueOceans]

Buddy Roemer is the best candidate because he will fight corruption and he will be free to lead because he does not owe anything to rich people. I think the fact that he does not accept donations over 100$ makes him a better candidate. I also think he would get more democrat votes than Gary Johnson.
Ron Paul will do well in Iowa and will lose everywhere else.

[morefngdbs]

At 12/27/11 05:00 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: Don't think so. he is a old man who wants to push to many outdated policies that wont work in todays world. his views on fixing the economy is LITERAL SUICIDE. getting rid of the Federal Reserve and going back to hard currency (gold or precious metals ) which wouldn't work at all becasue there isn't enough of it tp work anymore and the current gold reserve backed system works just fine.

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What ROCK did you just crawl out from under ?
THere is NO , I REPEAT ........ N O GOLD ,NO SILVER & not even TOILET paper backing Federal Reserve Notes !
IT is a fiat currency.
All present day currencies are backed by N O T H I N G, but weak, useless promises. Which is why we are in the crisis we are finding the world slowly sinking deeper & deeper into financial chaos !

getting rid of the income tax would be retarded because its the one of the biggest government inflows for cash

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There are other ways for Governments to make money.
There will still be a tax system, if he is wanting to scrap income tax, he must have another broad based taxation plan.

his social views are ridiculous allowing prayer in school which is a violation of church and state. allowing extra protection to whistle blowers, and ending conscription (which hasn't been evoked since vietnam I believe dont quote me to tired to check.)

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You already have religion so fucking tied up to your state !
That it makes me laugh at the irony of religious kooks in the US who want to keep it seperate.
Yet the President is sworn into office on a Christian bible.
You require an oath sworn on a bible in your judiciary processes...are just a few of the fun BS about no religion in your political system .
isn't that stupid phrase on your money... " in god we trust " isn't that a religious connotation to you ?
Or do you use it, just for fun ?
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His financial policies are sound.
HE is the ONLY person running who recognises the US Federal Reserve note is in trouble.
He is the only one who believes Government should have to abide by the US Constitution (gasp what a concept !)
Have you ever heard that the US"dollar" ( I use the word dollar here, because most of the world doesn't know the difference from a Fed Note & an actual US dollar !)
Anywho, the US dollar is a world currency ?
Do you understand what that used to mean ?
All other countries wanted US dollars, they NEEDED them for trade amoungst other Nations. I convert my drachma to US dollars & buy your Chinese cheap plastic knock offs with those dollars, you use dollars to buy say oil from Saudi Arabia.
Well that's changing boy's & girls
Last week the Japanese set up a deal where they will use Japanese Yen to purchase China's goods etc directly...no conversion.
THey are also going to allow China's to use renminbi to purchase Japanese products.

Other Countries have done the same & Saudi Arabia which sold oil only for American Dollars no longer does that.

The writings on the wall , & you are too stund to see it. Mr Ron Paul definatelysees it & he wants to get rid of the Preditory Fed Reserve to take control of the American money away from a private business & put it back in the Hands of America.

The increase in printed fed notes, is devaluing your currency ! (making it worth less & less)
IF this continues the US Fed note won't be worth the paper its printed on & that is 100 % because it is a fiat currency & "fiat currencies" have always through history , defaulted. They have always done exactly what your currency is presently doing, becoming worthless.
Why you naively ask...because it isn't backed by anything of value...its just paper.

[camobch0]

What Tony Darkgrave said. Ron Paul is an "old fart" as George Carlin would say.

[Iron-Hampster]

lets see, Ron Paul supporters are tired of:

endless over spending on wars and entitlements
Patriot act, and other unconstitutional bills that go against our rights and freedoms
bail outs and general corporate welfare
the drug war
government involvement in marriage.

these 5 issues matter to us the most, now tell me, who else on the ballot is going to represent us here?

the ironic thing is, a lot of people are trying to point us in the direction of huntsman, but believe it or not, Huntsman's odds of winning are actually less than Ron Paul's, and he says he is going to invade Iran straight up, so that is a huge deal breaker, among his do nothing attitude towards corporate welfare, drug war, over spending and patriot act.

[Gario]

I'm neither for nor against Ron Paul, but I honestly have to ask why people are throwing around the repeal of the Patriot act like that's a bad thing?

It's an honest question, I'm not being sarcastic - I was under the impression that most people really don't like that bill, so I'm curious what the other side of the argument has to say about it.

[animehater]

Did you get all that from his web site or something?

[marchohare]

At 12/27/11 05:00 AM, Tony-DarkGrave wrote: ...there isn't enough of it tp work anymore and the current gold reserve backed system works just fine.

At 12/27/11 10:05 AM, morefngdbs wrote: What ROCK did you just crawl out from under ?
THere is NO , I REPEAT ........ N O GOLD ,NO SILVER & not even TOILET paper backing Federal Reserve Notes !

The first question that came to my mind upon reading Tony-DarkGrave's post was, "So, what's smoking crack really like?" but I didn't even bother with that. Sometimes, someone says something (or a whole series of things) so disconnected from reality, so filled with utter falsehoods, so completely clueless, so bone-stick-stone stupid that I just have to shake my head and ask, "Why bother?"

Tony-DarkGrave's post gave me one of those moments. And, if he's old enough to vote (his profile says he's 79, so I can hope he's really 12), that makes it even scarier.

Carry on, gentlemen, carry on....

Sheesh!

[Punisher33]

At 12/27/11 01:30 PM, animehater wrote: Did you get all that from his web site or something?

Mo actually. just from actually looking the man up and taking time from my busy world. if all of you would do the same. you would actually see that he is the best man for the job. i mean he is the only one who has not flip flopped on an issue. unlike every one else. i broke the trendy and cool when it comes to this. and most mainline retards suck ass. because all they talk is main line republican talk. there horrible monsters. his policies are not out dated. they make sense. we should be minding our own business. Ron Paul is actually winning in most states. i dare each and every one of you who think i'm kidding about his consistency and look up old Ron Pual clips on youtube instead of using the whore dinosaur media. you will find that it's all a lie. republicans use mainline talk as apart of social engineering and a way to control the public. but brake that trend and go take a half hour maybe more out of your busy day re discover the bill of rights and constitution and you will understand that everything that is failing now is because of the observed policies of the bush Obama era and it needs to stop. re discover the constitution and do research independent research. Seriously. i dare each one of you. even you communist supporters who want to bring your shit to this nation. discover why we where the best country on earth. I did. and the more i researched the more i did it. the more i realized that everything before what i looked up became a lie. look it all up. look up the black market. look up how that works. everything. you will see. Only if you have the balls.

[marchohare]

At 12/27/11 04:04 PM, Punisher33 wrote: (Ron Paul's) policies are not out dated. they make sense.

Oh, I laugh loud and long at the idea that Ron Paul's policies are outdated. They're a combination of fiscal conservatism and social liberalism, and that hasn't even been tried.

Apparently a lot of people can't even wrap their minds around it. End the Drug War, bring home our troops, leave "lifestyle decisions" up to the states AND back up our currency with something other than hot air while cutting federal spending to the bone? That obviously makes most Americans' brains short out.

[HookerID]

I am a Paul fan as well. I think this country would thrive if we went back to the Constitution and actually followed it. I want the government out of my business and my pocket, well as much as possible anyway.

I'm not sure how much he could get done if elected though. He would have many enemies on both sides.

[marchohare]

At 12/27/11 04:29 PM, HookerID wrote: I think this country would thrive if we went back to the Constitution and actually followed it.

I'm more liberal than Dr. Paul is, but for pragmatic reasons rather than philosophical ones. For the time being, we need welfare for powerless individuals who've slipped through the cracks. We need to regulate the unbridled economic and political power of global corporations. After a few decades worth of sane policy decisions have done their work, maybe that won't be necessary, but we can't undo the mess that we've made overnight.

At 12/27/11 04:29 PM, HookerID wrote: I'm not sure how much he could get done if elected though. He would have many enemies on both sides.

That's the rub, isn't it? The Executive Branch can't do it alone. We saw what happened when an honest president was saddled with a sold-out whoring Congress once before. Two words: Jimmy Carter.

We need to take a big bottle of douche to the Capitol Building as well as the White House, and the sold-out whoring appointees in the Judicial Branch will take YEARS to clear out. Those assholes on the Supreme Court serve for LIFE!

[Familyguy666]

Hold the phone guys, this bastard lied to us about the NDAA. He said that it would let them detain us americans, but the real bill says it does NOT.

Think I'd want to vote for a liar?

[marchohare]

At 12/27/11 04:44 PM, Familyguy666 wrote: Think I'd want to vote for a liar?

Have you read the bill? Are you a lawyer? Whose word are you taking for it that he lied? Even if he's wrong (and I'm not sure he is), is there not such a thing as an honest mistake?

In any event, even if the worst is true and he told a bald-faced lie, I'd say you're shit out of luck, because all that would mean is that every single candidate on both sides of the aisle is a bald-faced liar.

I don't usually encourage people not to vote, but in your case I might make an exception. If you think Ron Paul is the biggest liar in the race, then please, just admit that there are no viable alternatives and that your vote is worthless, and stay home.

[Punisher33]

At 12/27/11 04:44 PM, Familyguy666 wrote: Hold the phone guys, this bastard lied to us about the NDAA. He said that it would let them detain us americans, but the real bill says it does NOT.

Think I'd want to vote for a liar?

It does. i read the actuall bill. it does. this is the first step to martial law.i read the entire bill. there sub sections that most people miss on the bill that it says it's basically fine print on the bill. it's small you have to read with a magnifying lense. it's a presidential power. undere the presidents orders americans can be held indefinatly. that's why the media won't talk about it. they don't talk about presidential powers. read the bill.

[Punisher33]

At 12/27/11 04:51 PM, marchohare wrote:

At 12/27/11 04:44 PM, Familyguy666 wrote: Think I'd want to vote for a liar?

Have you read the bill? Are you a lawyer? Whose word are you taking for it that he lied? Even if he's wrong (and I'm not sure he is), is there not such a thing as an honest mistake?

In any event, even if the worst is true and he told a bald-faced lie, I'd say you're shit out of luck, because all that would mean is that every single candidate on both sides of the aisle is a bald-faced liar.

I don't usually encourage people not to vote, but in your case I might make an exception. If you think Ron Paul is the biggest liar in the race, then please, just admit that there are no viable alternatives and that your vote is worthless, and stay home.

I have read the bill. the real bill that was put on wiki leaks. it's a presidential powers. i have a lot of time on my hands. a lot of time. i learned recently it's a presidential power. it's a subsection. it's not going to be out in the open. sub sections are basically fine print. it's not going to be out in the open like that. Any bill that has a sub section that is smaller than the rest of the print. in practice it's considered fine print. i have a lot of time on my hands i study this kind of stuff for fun. i eat breath sleep this stuff. it's fine print.

[Punisher33]

I will post the pdf file when i find it okay. hold on.

[Familyguy666]

Section 1032-

UNITED STATES CITIZENS.-The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Enough said. Stop trying to scare everyone with those lies. Not a myth.

[Iron-Hampster]

At 12/27/11 08:24 PM, Familyguy666 wrote: Section 1032-

UNITED STATES CITIZENS.-The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.

Enough said. Stop trying to scare everyone with those lies. Not a myth.

the requirement is exempt. meaning they aren't exempt from detention, only the requirement.

[marchohare]

At 12/27/11 08:24 PM, Familyguy666 wrote: Enough said. Stop trying to scare everyone with those lies. Not a myth.

Read the article to which S.M. linked. It explains the context. You're quoting out of context. I'm very familiar with the Vague Legislation Trick. I was once part of a municipal government panel charged with untangling the implications of the Americans with Disabilities Act -- and what a deliberately vague, misleading, self-contradictory mess that thing is!

That was apparently the plan all along, or at least it was the only conclusion we could reach in our report. The law seemed to have been designed to require interpretation via ongoing litigation, which made a whole lot of lawyers very happy.

Someone is trying to scare people with lies here all right, but it doesn't seem to be SadisticMonkey.

[Familyguy666]

The bill

Let's just stay calm, okay? This bill says it's not going to change anything to US citizens. The only reason a US citizen could get in custody is if they were attempting to do some terrorism. Simple as that.

[Sense-Offender]

Somebody here posted a bunch of quotes of him saying really fucked up shit about black people. There were already a few things I knew about him that made me not like the idea of him being president, but after reading that, I decided that I just plain hate him.

[MultiCanimefan]

At 12/27/11 08:35 PM, marchohare wrote:

At 12/27/11 08:24 PM, Familyguy666 wrote:

interpretation via ongoing litigation

Translation from lawyer and politician speak for the layperson:

"Making it up as we go along."

[marchohare]

At 12/27/11 09:11 PM, Sense-Offender wrote: Somebody here posted a bunch of quotes of him saying really fucked up shit about black people.

And you believed it... why? Links to reputable sources, please, or it never happened.

I said reputable sources. "A bunch of quotes" posted on the BBS of a Flash site by "somebody" is not a reputable source, just in cast I wasn't clear.

At 12/27/11 09:22 PM, MultiCanimefan wrote: Translation from lawyer and politician speak for the layperson:

"Making it up as we go along."

Yep, you've got it! And the trial lawyers were raking in the dough every step of the way!

The Second Amendment is no better. Gun control advocates still assert that the phrase, "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state..." means, "Only the military should have guns." Madison should have left it out. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed," would have been quite sufficient, and not open to wack-ass interpretation at all.

If you don't realize that judges frequently rule on the minutia of the language and not the spirit of a law, or instruct juries to do so, you're not only naive, you're ignorant.

[SteveGuzzi]

i swear, if you took Ron Paul's politics and gave them the body and the voice of Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson then that motherfucker would get elected in a goddamn instant. the presidential election like most other elections is a popularity contest where policies influence far less than personalities.

[marchohare]

At 12/27/11 09:59 PM, SteveGuzzi wrote: ...the presidential election like most other elections is a popularity contest where policies influence far less than personalities.

Often, yes, but then how do you explain Henry Waxman?

I reckon it makes sense that he's the anti-smoking Congressman. He really doesn't want to call any more attention to his teeth and nostrils than they already call to themselves.

[morefngdbs]

At 12/27/11 08:43 PM, Familyguy666 wrote: The bill

Let's just stay calm, okay? This bill says it's not going to change anything to US citizens. The only reason a US citizen could get in custody is if they were attempting to do some terrorism. Simple as that.

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I disagree
Mr Paul Disagrees as well, & he's much more up on Political double speak than I am.
http://www.24hgold.com/english/news-gold -silver-The-NDAA-Codifies-Obama%20s-Powe r-Grab.aspx?langue=en&article=3750419020 G10020

It may be time to stop being so complacent, before you're standing in an American Gulag without any chance of due process , confused & wondering what the fuck has happened !

[Cochises]

As I'm not an American, I'd rather not talk about internal affairs,

Although in foreign policy, I think Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate, if true to his words, that will see the USA stabilize itself, and respected again.

He is the only candidate who agrees that America shouldn't be "policing" every country with a hint of oil.

The US needs to stop spending billions and billions on "foreign aid", which always ends up in the hand of the CIA backed dictator and his regime, and trillions on "promoting democracy."

If you spent all that money aiding and promoting democracy in your own country, then I'm sure you'd be in a way better position.

[Gustavos]

I have to bite my lip every time somebody mentions his "consistency" with his policies. That he never "flip-flops" on any issues.

We have so many old people these days, do we even take the time to talk to them anymore? If you ever spoke with your grandfather, you'll notice he has a lot of views that were popular in his time but questioned and/or frowned upon in modern times. Every person I've talked to that's over the age of 60 still identifies people and personifies them by their race, because they were growing up in the middle of the civil rights movement. They're all devout religious followers, because in their time, it wasn't awkward for a person to be "agnostic" or atheist; it was a sin. And finally, they still call conservatives, Republicans, and liberals, Democrats.

Old people are stubborn. They believe in certain policies because those policies worked back then. Personally, I'd favor a politician that's willing to approach issues with an open mind every once in a while. And if you truly can't take either side, then say just that.