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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 06:44 PM Reply

Apparently it isn't. I got this message from Demand Progress:

Some annoying news: As was widely reported last Friday, all indications were that the House Judiciary Committee would delay its vote on SOPA for a few weeks. Now it looks like they might vote this week, if Congress stays in session:

PCMAG: "SOPA vote might happen this week after all"

ACTIVIST POST: "Congress tries to pull a fast one"

And don't forget about PIPA which they're trying to pass at the same time.

Wow. 5 pages and no sign of Camarohusky. Guess he doesn't post where he's outnumbered.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 06:48 PM Reply

I abhor SOPA. Have SOPA die in a fire. the government has found a WAY to threaten our way of life. This interrupted my chat. This Is a matter of life and death here, folks. Internet dies; life is threatened. TheUS government is attempting to send us into the stone AGE! martians (if they exist) are having it EASY. That is, if they exist. Why must the US goverment threaten us so? IDGAF if it's to stop piracy, it's just another thing the frick with the internet. This should be Stopped IMMEDIATELY! VETO this stupid bill!

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 06:51 PM Reply

I'm aware that there's a good chance the bill will not pass, and even if it does it's highly likely that it would not be used to its full potential, but what, as the owner of this site, would you suspect you'd do in the worst case scenario? If, under the new laws, Newgrounds lost all right to exist within the US, what would your options be? Could you attempt to run the site from overseas servers or such (albeit losing huge amounts of US traffic), or would be doing so out of the question? I can imagine administrating a website hosted far away from yourself that is also blocked by your government would be quite the difficult task.

Apologies for the question that it's likely is near impossible to answer (and relies on things going far, far worse than they're likely to), but just about everything else has been discussed in the thread and I think it'd be interesting to see some insight into what could well happen if things go horribly wrong.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 06:59 PM Reply

With ACTA already passed in the UK earmarked between a farmers bill. Look out for congress to do the same thing here. When the government fears the people.. that's democracy! Stay Vigilant folks.

If any of you are interested more about SOPA and technical tyranny an hilarity I suggest TechDirt.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 06:59 PM Reply

Thank you for that post Tom. The truth comes in simple terms.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:08 PM Reply

if that wasn't enough info click this link for a big lecture about it
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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:28 PM Reply

SOPA scares me. I don't feel comfortable with the amount of power it gives to the wrong people.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:35 PM Reply

i've never posted anything in the forums so i hope i've done this right,this sounds pretty important i hope this can be resolved without anyone getting mad. have a nice day everyone!!

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:36 PM Reply

I don't want these bills to pass like everyone else.... but what are we actually suppose to do? I mean really; These two bills passed through congress with little (or in NDAA's case- almost no) opposition. There was no "hey US people ya'll okay with this?" I honestly don't think the media even mentioned either bill (both bills targeted at "freedom") until they passed (but only barely looked at before moving on to the "next big thing!"). What's petitioning going to actually do? "Oh we're sorry, you all tried so hard but the numbers just aren't there" they say (ignoring the peoples' cries). (this might have already been covered, but...) SOPA = shutting down communication to stifle protest/ putting down whistle-blowers, NDAA = Black bag and tag whistle-blowers and "terrorists", and America = on the rocks...... Living on the internet i see lots of things but these two bills, plus fema camps being built on America's soil for the last couple years, plus 9/11 being plastered as an inside job (which actually is starting to sound realistic seeing recent developments), plus regime change in North Korea and the appearance of an agreement with china and N Korea (china probably doesn't want us to have a foothold in South Korea- their neighbor). Not to mention Russia launching a rocket (set to go to mars or the moon or something) which happens to be full of NUCLEAR "fuel"; Nuclear radiation- as in nukes n such- is fundamental in causing an Electrical Magnetic Pulse or EMP (seriously- one nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over America and almost every thing electrical goes down.... like computers, phones, radios, lights, heaters, water pumps, everything people use in a first world country... like America). Then there's civil unrest, which is most likely only going to get worse.

I know i wrote a lot (and i probably seem like a nutcase- sorry) but I don't really know where to post this and Newgrounds gets a lot of traffic.... Do a bit of research into what i mention. Maybe i'm just paranoid but what i've come across lately is really making me nervous....

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:36 PM Reply

Death to SOPA!

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:36 PM Reply

I've run out of petitions to sign, and have already emailed the White House (fat chance of that shit being read) about the bill. If what I heard was true about Obama wanting to veto the bill, that's a dumbfuck mistake in itself. The bill can still be passed due to the 2/3 override. However, if Obama were to leave the bill rotting on his desk for about a year, the bill would die out, and there's nothing Congress could do about it.

Basically, Obama doesn't know what the fuck he's doing if he outright veto's the bill.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:46 PM Reply

At 12/20/11 07:36 PM, CelestOrion wrote: I've run out of petitions to sign, and have already emailed the White House (fat chance of that shit being read) about the bill. If what I heard was true about Obama wanting to veto the bill, that's a dumbfuck mistake in itself. The bill can still be passed due to the 2/3 override. However, if Obama were to leave the bill rotting on his desk for about a year, the bill would die out, and there's nothing Congress could do about it.

It would be more effective to contact your 2 senators and 1 representative who represent your state and district in Congress rather than contacting Obama as it has yet to pass.

Also, Obama can not sit on a bill and let it rot "on his desk for about a year" because after 10 days without action by the President a bill passed by congress automatically becomes law. What you are trying to describe is a pocket veto which only happens when a bill is passed and there is not yet 10 days left of the current Congress (once every 2 years).


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 07:51 PM Reply

Honestly it was bound to happen at some point. Sadly it's all about money and power. And the common everyday person is powerless against it.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 08:00 PM Reply

death to SOPA!!!

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 08:02 PM Reply

At 12/20/11 07:51 PM, Knives wrote: Honestly it was bound to happen at some point. Sadly it's all about money and power. And the common everyday person is powerless against it.

This is why I'd rather live in Canada, or rather any other country than America.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 08:04 PM Reply

At 12/20/11 07:51 PM, Knives wrote: Honestly it was bound to happen at some point. Sadly it's all about money and power. And the common everyday person is powerless against it.

YOU ARE WRONG MY FRIEND! You are more POWERFUL then THEY would like you to believe.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 08:36 PM Reply

Obama already said he wouldn't let it pass. This law would also attack Tumblr, Facebook, and Twitter. He has a facebook, and twitter page, as do alot of other political these days. I doubt they would let an attack on their own stuff pass. Even if SOPA does does pass it won't last long. There would be too much out rage. I don't doubt there would be riots heading towards Washington D.C. because Americans don't like being told what we can't and can't do or say. That same thing applies to the net.

I will also encourage people to call, write, and email their reps and congresspeople about this issue. I'm not just talking shit, either. I called and emailed mine, already. Do everything you can! Sign petitions, call and write the people, hold up protesting signs. Whatever you know needs to be done, get off your comfortable ass and do it!


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 08:46 PM Reply

I thought LOzL's post needed a breakdown and further clarification.

At 12/20/11 07:36 PM, LOzL wrote: I don't want these bills to pass like everyone else.... but what are we actually suppose to do? I mean really; These two bills passed through congress with little (or in NDAA's case- almost no) opposition.

- The interesting thing here was that it's true. NDAA was passed with almost no opposition. Can you blame Congress? Does anybody on this website actually understand that the representative part of our legislative branch is BROKEN? 2 senators for a state with well over a million people doesn't make any sense. That's two people representing a 500k populous. That word 'populous' also has a lot to do with 'politician,' and politicians also love pyramid and ponzi scheming.

I'm not saying the world is full of angels, but time and time again, all of our overlooked leaders and politicians largely remain involved in civil liberties. These people don't usually even get air-time and receive no real attention in the media. Senators and representatives do not seem to really play a large part in their cities, but their job is incredibly important and substantial to developing urban centers and state-wide planning. They also are involved with the people they serve (they're civil servants of the people, everybody, not civil servants FOR the people - that's what a dictator does).

If you pay close attention, almost all of these politicians we have in pretty much all of our states have some ludicrous ideologies or backwards societal beliefs or twisted perceptions on humanitarian causes/laws. I say almost all because there are literally no dissidents anymore in congress. NDAA should not of passed.

Realistically speaking:

There was no "hey US people ya'll okay with this?" I honestly don't think the media even mentioned either bill (both bills targeted at "freedom") until they passed (but only barely looked at before moving on to the "next big thing!"). What's petitioning going to actually do? "Oh we're sorry, you all tried so hard but the numbers just aren't there" they say (ignoring the peoples' cries).

Democrats and Republicans are scumcrats and republigods. That's the best way I can put it. Democrats seem to largely support this twisted socialist/liberal stance with progressive pro-war/pro-spending concepts. Republicans seem to largely support progressive opinions dealing with pro-war/pro-spending policies with an overdose of exaggeration. I'm serious, which way do you think CNN swings? Or how about Fox news? Does the overdose of exaggeration make sense?

By the way, by the irony I explained it, if you look at the previous paragraph, "democrats" are on the left side (still near the center) which republicans are in the right (left of center).

We're literally dealing with a 7-headed hydra and a giant chimera that acted like enemies but decided to trample on the people it could of been helping earlier (which it was, by account of colonial America compared to modern America). They pretend to fight like it's novelty value and show and proceed to wreck someone's shit and do their stupid show again. You know, the whole 'bipartisan' thing gets old, and I hope my analogy made it to you. I think my description is perfect.

(this might have already been covered, but...) SOPA = shutting down communication to stifle protest/ putting down whistle-blowers, NDAA = Black bag and tag whistle-blowers and "terrorists", and America = on the rocks...... Living on the internet i see lots of things but these two bills, plus fema camps being built on America's soil for the last couple years

I like how he put 'living on the internet.' I creep and crawl, and they're no secret. I think people considered me crazy for the belief that those FEMA centers weren't for disaster relief and aid. I can't possibly try to reason with them the same now, because I totally feel like I was right. Those centers are scary.

They've also been in development as early as 2001 as a possible response to the twin towers crashing. Which leads me to his next point, which REALLY should get some clarification:

plus 9/11 being plastered as an inside job (which actually is starting to sound realistic seeing recent developments)

If people really denied this outright, I wonder if you paid attention to political scandals or even understand the simplistic nature of special interest group. What 'special interests' cater to (in terms of media jargon) would be anything from CitiBank to Freddie Mac/Fannie Mae (and Sallie Mae), Universal Music Group, hell, even the owners of Fox News... anyone that owns an "interest" in governmental internal affairs is a special interest.

They're dangerous groups, even Gerald Celente talked about the previous groups - are you guys aware how the credit rating of the country affects global politics AND global markets?

The 9/11 subject remains a controversial topic that really should be argued by experts, not something citizens really can discuss or converse about. I think we try, and we try to make eachother see the other point; but you won't understand that there were definitely special interests involved, and could of been something the CIA helped organize (to hurt our own people never stopped us from progression before, right?).

But how is it even cyberexperts have something to say and the CIA, Homeland Security, and the executive branch has nothing to say that could endanger our rights? It looks really messy... resonates 9/11 far too much. It's like we're all watching from New York about the planes smashing the towers, and we hope to god the pilots pull away in time.

If there's a special interest involved, though...

plus regime change in North Korea and the appearance of an agreement with china and N Korea (china probably doesn't want us to have a foothold in South Korea- their neighbor). Not to mention Russia launching a rocket (set to go to mars or the moon or something) which happens to be full of NUCLEAR "fuel";

Nuclear radiation- as in nukes n such- is fundamental in causing an Electrical Magnetic Pulse or EMP (seriously- one nuclear explosion in the atmosphere over America and almost every thing electrical goes down.... like computers, phones, radios, lights, heaters, water pumps, everything people use in a first world country... like America). Then there's civil unrest, which is most likely only going to get worse.


I know i wrote a lot (and i probably seem like a nutcase- sorry) but I don't really know where to post this and Newgrounds gets a lot of traffic.... Do a bit of research into what i mention. Maybe i'm just paranoid but what i've come across lately is really making me nervous....

This feels a little too paranoid. I guess it's partially realistic, but I wouldn't feel nervous about nuclear arms. My fear is that it's WE the PEOPLE that get shot at with nukes if we don't assimilate to urban centers since they intend to turn the suburbs and country landscapes into barren wastelands unsuitable for life/dumping sites for toxic waste/uninhabitable for the protection of "civil security."

I'm just saying, be prepared homie. If you never been around a crack den and around people with guns and stood right on top of over 100 grand, you better look at the world around you a little more closely.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 08:49 PM Reply

Nothing I can say shows how mad I am about this, that bill must NOT PASS!!!


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 08:50 PM Reply

At 12/20/11 08:36 PM, Nekoyoujo wrote: Obama already said he wouldn't let it pass.

This may be true (I haven't read it for myself), but didn't he say the same thing about the NDA act passed sometime a fortnight or so ago? I recall reading that he made threats to veto it publicly, however when it actually passed (likely against his expectations) he simply did not and went ahead to sign it.

Apologies if my understanding's a bit off, my knowledge is rather cloudy, however threats of veto were indeed made in that situation and were not carried out, and his all happened very recently - I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing were to happen again.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:07 PM Reply

It's almost poetic how NDAA, SOPA and PIPA go hand in hand.

Blur the lines of what is and is not terrorism, pass more bills that take away more rights, people protest then get thrown in jail with the fuck ton of 4chan kids that have been there for weeks :3

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:11 PM Reply

Stuff like this makes me wanna throw up. Keep up the good fight, Tom.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:22 PM Reply

Good for you Tom! It's wonderful you use your position to point out important issues!

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:25 PM Reply

I'm not petitioning or signing any documents; I'm simply letting it happen.

If by some twist of fate, the bill gets shut down, whatever. Seriously you guys - I just saw the whole entire file for The Sitter on some rather random file storage site. And I'm watching another movie right now as we speak. I miss when we actually had reasons to go out to the Movie theatre. Now it's just cheaper to stream it online.

I was thinking awhile ago about how illegal downloads could negatively affected CD sales, well here's my solution right here. I'd very much rather do it the old-fashioned way and go to a store and pick a CD so I could gawk at the album art and hold it in my hand.

I've read a few paragraphs of this 'censorship policy' and none of it seemed too terrible. Very little of content on Newgrounds is copyrighted anyway - so it really won't make any difference, like with most sites. If a website wasn't in the wrong in the first place, then they're safe; no worries.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:26 PM Reply

http://lifehacker.com/5869665/desopa-for -firefox-bypasses-sopa-dns-blocking

and then sopa lost again the end


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:27 PM Reply

This is an outrage, there is no doubt about that. If these bills upset you (And I don't know why they shouldn't), there's still time to help us fight it. There are petitions all over. The internet is still an excellent social tool to spread word, support others, and organize. Contact your representatives. Use this site to express your outrage.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:28 PM Reply

SOPA is evil. I much prefer it's mild mannered brother, soap.

But in all seriousness, this would shut down half the internet for the US. Youtube, Newgrounds, probably Forumotion, maybe even Google and Wikipedia.
It would cripple PayPal and probably mean the end of eBay for sure.

This all just to give commercial entities abusive powers that would probably be used on even the smallest things.

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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:36 PM Reply

all this stuff is fucking crazy and scares the shit out of me. Everying is becoming more regulated, and by regulated I mean downtrodden. They won't want a liberated people who think openly, they want robots who make their wealthy little asses more comfortable. I'm so glad to have a place like newgrounds where thought, freedom of speech, open minded humor, and creativity are enthusiastically encouraged. THAT is how the world becomes a better place.

right you are tom, they're fuckers.


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Response to My SOPA Post Dec. 20th, 2011 @ 09:42 PM Reply

At 12/20/11 09:25 PM, AngryBombshell wrote: I've read a few paragraphs of this 'censorship policy' and none of it seemed too terrible. Very little of content on Newgrounds is copyrighted anyway - so it really won't make any difference, like with most sites. If a website wasn't in the wrong in the first place, then they're safe; no worries.

No it doesn't seem terrible at all does it? Just wait until it passes...
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