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At 12/20/11 11:54 AM, TomFulp wrote: 1) Block your domain name, essentially shutting off your site to the US.
2) Block your advertisers and payment processors.
3) Block your search engine listings.
All of this could happen without having to prove anything in court.
Tom, you are a gentleman and scholar. Keep America free...! What, are we in some kind of insane movie?
I fkin hate china gov.(I am chinese,and they blocked youtubefacebooktwittergoogle+andeverysit ethatgotblocked. imagine living a life without facebook!)
Although I understand your frustrations and stance against government imposed laws and concepts that infringe against our civil liberties/rights as American citizens, and I appreciate the time you take to inform your userbase about SOPA and ways to combat it, I would like to address the point you made in your post regarding the NDAA (H.R. 1540) and clear up the recent misconceptions that have been plaguing many sources of media sites. Your statement,
At 12/20/11 11:54 AM, TomFulp wrote:
Of course I better not criticize the US government now that NDAA has passed, or I might get indefinitely detained without trial. THANKS, FUCKERS!
may pertain to the confusion and vague representation of "Action against Counter-Terrorism" acts concerning the active procedures and protocol therein reported before the numerous and final revisions that the NDAA was subject to, the current procedures and protocols that are soon to take effect, and lack of current information and spread of misinformation throughout web based media including but not limited to internet headlines and publications of how a certain "amendment to exclude American citizens from being distinguished as terrorists to be held indefinitely without cause or right to trial in court" failed to receive enough votes in order for it to be induced into the bill and the implications that may have on the American People.
While your statement was of good nature and I understand that availability of personal time to read into such matters must be limited in part with your to responsibilities and busy schedule at hand,
upon actual inspection of H.R. 1540 of which these media publications haven't yet provided sourced material of the current and final revision of the bill, there is no fear or cause of concern to be had amongst the American People over potential infringement of American rights or civil liberties, as stated in the H.R. 1540 Subtitle-D, section 1021(d), 1021(e), and 1022(b)(1) respectively, in which no acts in those sections regarding "Counter-Terrorism" shall be "construed to affect the existing law" nor does it "extend or include citizens or lawful resident aliens of the United States", as well as a brief mention in regards to "not limiting or expanding the authority of the president". Excerpts from each section and subsection are as follows:
"(d) CONSTRUCTION.-Nothing in this section is intended to limit or expand the authority of the President or the scope of the Authorization for Use of Military Force.
"(e) AUTHORITIES.-Nothing in this section shall be construed to affect existing law or authorities relating to the detention of United States citizens, lawful resident aliens of the United States, or any other persons who are captured or arrested in the United States.
(b) APPLICABILITY TO UNITED STATES CITIZENS AND LAWFUL RESIDENT ALIENS-
(1)UNITED STATES CITIZENS.-The requirement to detain a person in military custody under this section does not extend to citizens of the United States.
After consideration of the provided documentation of official source material addressing the complications, one can clear up any previous discrepancies or contradictions precedent in the majority of current media representation thereof.
: I'm a friggin prick and going to tell all of you that your fucking wrong because the actual bill itself that none of you lazy fucks bothered to read says twice that it doesn't apply to legal US Citizens SO YEAH IN YOUR FACE, YOU DOUCHES UNGHHHHHH!!! t(-_-t)
A Redundant But Well-informed Prick
What idiots congress can be right?
The whole world has the right to share their opinions and ideas on the internet in any way.
They pretty much saying no freedom of speech.
Copyright is BS anyway, i mean i don't mind if you use something i came up with as long as people know i came up with it. If you put your idea out there, nothing can stop it from being used. Its just basic logic.
Master in Mind Games
nvm they arent idiots, they just corrupt
Thats the problem with the world today, money is now neccassary to live. without it, we are completely lost and hopeless
Master in Mind Games
I can't BELIEVE that this sh*t reached newgrounds too... man, this is just so sad, what the hell they are doing. Government a-holes, you know what? gtfo of ng, LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! If they shut down ng that would be one of the saddest events of the year :/ T__T
since Tom doesn't have the funds to fight if SOPA goes through, it's more likely Newgrounds will go out with a whimper rather than the expected bang.
why am i holding a candy cane <_<
At 12/25/11 12:09 PM, Zynical wrote:
A Redundant But Well-informed Prick
Incorrect, they made some small vague changes to make it look like it doesnt apply to US citizens, when in reality at the same time they made this bill "not apply to us citizens" they made it apply to all enemy combatants and terrorists. They recently declared all protesting as "low level terrorism".
Of the 10 or so sites i regularly visit, about 2-4 will definatly be blocked for a handful of user uploads (swimming around in millions, often literally) or a simple mistake, and another 4 are possibles.
Though they dont have 2 go thru court to block you, its probably possible 2 bring them 2 court (if you live in america).
I can understand notices & warnings perfectly, but shouldn't they be more busy passing bills about blocking the sites used by terrorist cells to recruit, communicate & spread propaganda?
Thanks to me...
At 12/26/11 05:52 AM, Apocalipta2 wrote: I can't BELIEVE that this sh*t reached newgrounds too... man, this is just so sad, what the hell they are doing. Government a-holes, you know what? gtfo of ng, LEAVE IT ALONE!!!! If they shut down ng that would be one of the saddest events of the year :/ T__T
I think that might start sum riots / protests.
No, I'm not trying 2 promote either.
Thanks to me...
This will probably pass eventually, we need to figure a way to make our own separate, more awesome internets somehow. Get shit going and spread the word before it hits the fan.
At 12/22/11 12:46 PM, nicoBOB2 wrote: Your monitors are assholes and the site is loaded with stolen images. The day NG gets censored is when I will be happy
I offer you a heartfelt fuck you
Wow...Despite how much I dislike the Newgrounds community, this is just a stupid butthurt response from a butthurt individual. You can call me out on my own butthurt, and that's fine because I will take FULL responsibility to being an egotistical asshole. Seriously...How about I offer a heartfelt one of the same? Sheesh...Some people...Am I right, or am I right? Sheesh...
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At 12/25/11 07:57 PM, robidoux wrote: Looks like Canada's gonna have to burn down the white house again.
Agreed. As much as it pains me to say it, agreed. I have lost all faith in Congress, the Obama Administration, and the American people. We're letting ourselves get screwed over by our government, and apparently to the richest people, the Constitution doesn't mean jack squat to them.
SCREW THE SYSTEM!!! Play video games instead.My Official Art Thread! COMMENT ON IT!
Popping in to clear up something. (And I can't believe I'm making this as my first post after returning here)
(And by clearing up, I mean copy and pasting an explanation of the bill from a lawyer-in-training I know in my city)
To understand the background behind SOPA, you have to understand the rationale that arose to create the DMCA. This will be incredibly simplified, but don't worry about the details. Basically, back in 1996 the WIPO passed two copyright treaties, and in 1998 the US decided to pass the DMCA to implement those treaties (dealing with criminalizing infringement mechanisms) and at the same time deal with a major problem that was already beginning to arise: that of the publisher-infringer.
See, under the copyright act of 1976 (I think, I forget the year), publishers of infringing content are also liable. So, for example, Youtube would be liable for content published. Obviously, internet publishers (like ISPs, hosts, etc) didn't want this. Unlike traditional publishers they had no real ability to screen all of their customer's content, and didn't want to be obligated to do so. At the same time, getting content down was expensive and difficult; they had to sue, go to court, get an injunction- and with the rise of the internet, they might not be able to figure out WHO to sue, or even know that that person was located in a suable jurisdiction.
Hence the DMCA created a compromise. Publisher-hosts (ISPs, Youtube, even though it didn't exist yet, etc) were granted 'safe harbor' as long as they obeyed the takedown requests. The takedown requests allowed copyright holders to take down infringing content without suing or without finding out where the people who put the content up were. That saved them (and the people who put the content up) the expense and trouble of a lawsuit. And, the counter-notification process required that the person provide their full name an address so that they could theoretically be sued if it went that far.
Essentially, the DMCA created a compromise regime- it was faster, safer, cheaper, and basically more efficient for everyone. It didn't stop the copyight holders from suing- it just made it so they mostly didn't want to because this was more efficient. On the flipside, most infringers didn't get sued because their content was removed quickly. Now, to be fair, the primary objection to the DMCA regime was that by making it easier for corporations to push these takedown notices, they would start taking down material they didn't have the copyright to or for which some affirmative defense existed (like fair use), and that nobody would counter-takedown for risk of lawsuit, and so it would have a chilling effect.
Over the past 13 years, the primary issue for the copyright holders has been that the DMCA doesn't let them target hosts which are overseas. For example, say I run metube.com out of Belize. The copyright holders could send all the DMCA takedown requests they want, but my host (Belize Internet Services) doesn't give a crap about the DMCA. They won't respond to the takedown notice. And at the same time, metube.com is of course available from anywhere on the internet.
So the content holders went back to Congress, and said "Look, we need to be able to target metube.com." The way they chose to do that is SOPA. It contains a number of different provisions, but the two that are relevant here are S.102 and S.103 (they're the most important sections of the bill anyway). They allow for two different mechanisms of targeting foreign sites.
S.102 is the seizure rule. It allows the United States Attorney General to make a request to the US District Court for an order to seize the DNS of a website if:
(1) the Internet site or portion thereof is a U.S.-directed site and is used by users in the United States;
(2) the owner or operator of such Internet site is committing or facilitating the commission of criminal violations punishable under section 2318, 2319, 2319A, 2319B, or 2320, or chapter 90, of title 18, United States Code; and
(3) the Internet site would, by reason of acts described in paragraph (1), be subject to seizure in the United States in an action brought by the Attorney General if such site were a domestic Internet site.
It also allows the USAG, on receipt of this order, to 'take down' the same things as are authorized under S.103 (internet advertising and payment processing), and allows the USAG to tell search engines to delete the site from their registers.
That's so much legal chatter, but basically what it means is that the Attorney General can seize foreign sites which are committing or facilitating criminal IP infringement if those sites are targeted at US users, and would be seizeable if they're hosted in the US. The last point, (3), is actually relevant, because under 18 USC 981 and 18 USC 2323, the Attorney General can already seize websites if they're based in the United States. And it has done so in the past, and continues to do so. It's worth noting, though, that the USAG doesn't target Fanfiction.net. It doesn't target Spacebattles.com. Its primary target is actually counterfeitters- domains like nfljerseysupply.com, handbag9.com, and dvdprostore.com. A few other sites have been targeted- large torrent hosters, primarily. Given that the provision in S.102 basically mirrors the domestic seizure provision for sites outside the US, it seems unlikely that the Attorney General is going to suddenly go on a spree of seizing websites with its new powers.
S.103 is the secondary takedown power. People tend to confuse the two, feeling that anyone can get a DMCA-like takedown request to take down entire websites under SOPA, but that isn't really the case. Anyway, S.103 basically creates a DMCA mirror provision, but rather than targeting publisher-hosts, it targets payment network providers (b)(1) and internet advertising services (b)(2). Exactly the same thing, basically: a copyright holder can make a request to one of those two services, saying "This site is an open and notorious infringer of copyright". Under that section, a payment processor is required to freeze or deny transactions between the site and US customers, and an IAS is required to stop advertising to or from (i.e., stop putting advertisements on their website and taking money, and stop putting advertisements to their website on other websites) the infringing site. There is, also, a counter-takedown procedure, just like in the DMCA.
Basically, SOPA creates two primary tools: 1) It expands the seizure rule for domestic sites to foreign ones (and adds a few more powers that domestic seizures don't have, like blocking off IAS and payment processors) and 2) it creates a DMCA-like takedown procedure that IP holders can use against sites which are outside the US and therefore can't be targeted directly. The rationale here is petty simple: most payment processors (Paypal, Visa, mastercard) are based in the US, and most internet advertising services that people in the English-speaking world are likely to see are also based in the US (google, primarily).
*Breathe* Wow, that was long. I hope it helps, though?
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At 12/26/11 07:02 PM, jenngra505 wrote: If SOPA Passes I'll quit the internet.
Why will I quit my favorite website Youtube will be shut down.
P.S If SOPA gets Vetoed than I might dance that I can still keep all my internet joys sort of like several other fans
More likely then not, SOPA will be defeated at some point in Congress. Although in the event that it does pass, It's almost guaranteed to be struck down in the courts as 1) A First Amendment Violation due to the non-specific language as well as 2) Possibly A Fourteenth Amendment Violation due to the lack of Due Process.
Translation: Either it's a Freedom of Speech issue or because there's no real way to fight back against it.
Everything sucks. The world is shit and there's nothing we can do about it. I've lost all hope of freedom, peace and even happiness.
This bill isn't going to pass. I can guarantee this. They would have to take down nearly every site in existance(Google and Yahoo most likely included). Also, they can't take down websites hosted outside of the U.S. anyways, and should they mistake a site hosted in another country for one that actually was, all hell would break loose.
At 12/25/11 05:54 AM, NewZombs wrote: I fkin hate china gov.(I am chinese,and they blocked youtubefacebooktwittergoogle+andeverysit ethatgotblocked. imagine living a life without facebook!)
ikr, my parents are Chinese, visited china for 1 month during summer. I go on facebook, and i see an error message. Good side: I am no longer addicted :D
wow okay i guess i'm just going to be a professional chickenfarmer or some shit
cr0mZX: norway sucks teh penor!!!!!
cr0mZX: Full of win and kittens! ^_^\
I believe that this PIPA and SOPA act is bullshit. The Goverment can't deal with it. So what? We just can't be sitting around watching TV and stuff. That's why we are stopping SOPA.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-573485 11-281/godaddy-accused-of-interfering-wi th-anti-sopa-exodus/ win!
Tom, is Newgrounds domain in GoDaddy?
...apparently it's in "register.com", then never mind.
It got worse! Corporations have planned this all along. it was they who distributed the piracy software so they could make money from it and than push SOPA and PIPA to control the internet... Full explanation here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlV_jbs5o 9s&feature=player_embedded . Remember to take out space if there's one.
If this comes to pass, then the only thing positive I can say about all of this is that I could tell my Grand kids that I lived during the Golden Age of the internet while I was their age.
This actually made me feel bad and tremble in goosebumps...
This is my new greeting once SOPA passes:
Welcome to the Stupid Ages of the Internet, where the rich are richer and the poor stayed poor!
Wii U..... Wii Mii..... Wii it together... that's the way it should be.
I cannot think of any puns, jokes or anything related to Xbox One or PS4.