At 12/18/11 11:23 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote:
Stalin was worse than him i believe, so was Mao, neither of those two got replaced by anyone who was near as bad as those two. in both scenarios, they were seen for who they really were after their death.
But this is neither the USSR nor the PRC. Instead this is the only hereditary Communist dictatorship to ever exist. Furthermore, they have been more successful in setting-up a police state and cult of personality that actually diefies the Kim family.
So while the rest of the world already knows who these people are (read: The Aquariums of Pyongyang)...his people do not.
At 12/19/11 01:17 AM, BUTANE wrote:
There was an article yesterday talking about how we were going to be giving food aid to North Korea in exchange for open talks about postponing their nuclear weapons program. Here Makes me think we are trying to get in good with the new leader/governing body before they continue on as usual.
This is part of a cycle that the US and other members of the Six-party group have been involved in since the 1990s. So there is probably nothing more than coincidence at play here.
Also, (in a bit of conspiracy theory mind set) that the the CIA or US government must have had pretty decent sources in the North Korean government to be able to learn of this guys death before the press got hold of the story.
I doubt very seriously that the US has any sources inside the North. About all that we know about the regime comes from defectors. For the most part these are peasants or low-ranking soldiers with just a smattering of high level civilian authorities who've fallen out of favor with the regime.
If we did get the story about his death before the press...it's just because we intercepted the TV signal before the press got ahold of it.
I would like to see your source on this though...I hadn't heard that the government knew before CNN or Fox.
At 12/19/11 03:31 AM, Cochises wrote:
He's got three kids, and his eldest is already in line to get appointed, the middle child is a
"little girl" and his youngest son started as a 4 star general in the military....
1) His eldest son was in line to be the "Great Successor"...but he took his family on an unsanctioned trip to Tokyo Disney and lost his Kingship.
2) There was talk about his daughter taking up the reigns of power since the official line in N. Korea is gender equality...and several women from the Kim family do enjoy some positions of power in the government.
3) His youngest son, Jong Un, was named next in line sometime before January 2009. So he's been groomed for quite sometime now.
At 12/19/11 11:38 AM, RightWingGamer wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks it's odd that Homefront was only 2 weeks off on the actual date?
Love the game...and that's scary as hell!
At 12/19/11 02:06 PM, Ravariel wrote:
Well, Jong Il has been ill (heh) for some time, so it's likely that they've had an "interim" goverment setup in place for a while now, so while Jong Un matures, his leadership role will as well. Until then, true leadership will likely be in the hands of the Military Junta. It'll be another 10 years before any significant change happens (if at all).
One of the things I'm interested in is how long has Jong Il been dead? In some of these very closed, and very secretive totalitarian states we've seen leaders who died LONG before the state media announced their deaths. Kinda makes me wonder if Kim's been dead for a couple of weeks (or months) and the power struggle isn't already over.
As for who is in power...it is probably a triumverant of Jong-Un and his paternal aunt and his uncle. Both of these individuals are well connected into the military and have been mentoring him for some time. So I imagine that the truth is he is more figurehead at the moment and as his family sees him grow into his position he will get evermore power.