At 12/8/11 01:36 AM, aviewaskewed wrote:
When you flat out call the accusers liars (you did in your first post). Then back away from that position (your last post) that's backpedaling.
Well, the media reported it because it was news. So let's not act like this was some kind of unprovoked attack on their part or anything. It was news, and it's big news when it relates to someone looking to lead the country. So yeah.
i suppose yellow journalism is still journalism.. and the norm these days.
As far as the proof: what? You expect the accusers to sit there and try their case in the media?
so sweet, near election time I think i might claim that Michelle Obama touched me as a child. who needs proof?
Huh? How do you know all the accusers are Obama supporters? You have proof? You know how they voted in the last election? Careful of that windmill!
well, let's see. Karen Kraushaar works for the obama administration as communications director at the Inspector General's Office of the Treasury Department. # 2 and 3 who didn't share their identity, which of course makes proving/disproving their allegations impossible... so we can't say for certain.
Bialek... it would seem most likely she jumped on the bandwagon looking for money, given her past.
Of course assuming they are true. I'm just providing a counter explanation to your false assertion that if true, it would have been reported, that such a thing happens 100% of the time.
I find it mildly amusing that the news media didn't come out and say, "Anthony Wiener is full of shit, we all know its his crotch, he needs to just admit it!" when he said "I can't say its not me." instead, they report on how the Dems say its a non issue and that he is confusing the media by not admitting nor denying it.
and yet, when these people made their accusations, the media ran with it and began beating Cain over the head with it.
Or maybe they just don't want the scrutiny?
or maybe they're full of shit, or worse, don't exist. I don't give much credibility to a person who makes an accusation and refuses to step forward.
Maybe they don't want the cameras and the media in their faces while all this is going on? Maybe they just want justice, not attention?
justice? what 3rd world country is Cain running in that he can be convicted without facing his accuser?
See? Look how that took me all of 5 seconds to come up with alternate reasons that don't involve the alleged victims being scumbags.
so simple... so simple.... question is. is it the truth? should we assume these women are being completely honest? I should think not. We don't know why exactly these women came forward, and they won't say, and yet people still take them at their word.
and to be clear, Cain handled the mess in a terrible fashion. Suppose he isn't used to the concept of damage control.
It isn't that hard as long as you can take a moment not to be the same kind of person that you bitch about when you say "Obama supporter". You know, the person who blindly follows a candidate and always assumes whatever bad gets said or written about them is false and concocted by some evil bogeyman.
Had they come forward when he first announced his campaign and sunk him from the beginning I wouldn't have batted an eye. I wonder though, had a bunch of women come up and began accusing Obama once he was looking to be the frontrunner if the media would have handled it in the same way. Given the way the media gushed all over Obama, they would have probably had the women exposed and every dirty detail of their life put out for the world to see in order to discredit them.
Not if it's never reported.
one phone call is all it'd take. but why not make the call? I wonder...
Again, see cases in which rape or sexual assault victims don't come forward for years and years. We're seeing that in the Sandusky case. I know this is not comparable to that, of course...but I'm just saying it's plausible the alleged victims's reactions are similar.
those are also children, not adults.
well, from what I've read and heard (and subsequently forgot somehow) is that 2 women did file suits and for a settlement along with a confidentiality agreement. and they decided to come forward again. one of them being Kraushaar. she already got one nice payday out of it. the other hides in the shadows, unwilling to show her face. why not come out? why not show your face and make your accusations in person? it's like sending a letter to the police that your next door neighbor assaulted you, then refuse to testify in court about what happened, and still expect a conviction on the charge.
then you got Bialek, who probably made a small fortune appearing on various TV shows to talk about her "relationship" with Cain. This is a fun read on her too. http://newyorkpost.com/p/news/national/j obless_shameless_gal_going_for_EODvX4qUT V8XoJwYqVF0LJ
Well, as I said before, I'm sure these are all things that will be sorted out at trial.
if it ever does go to trial, which I doubt. I'm sure there's a pile of liberal lawyers lined up to defend them if Cain ever does file a lawsuit.
Yes...I don't think the "tables have turned though". That's only apt if it actually happens. Which I don't necessarily see myself, since things seem to be going in the direction economists predicted a couple years ago.
the economy is a guillotine above the administration's neck. He better hope it doesn't come crashing down before he gets set free by reelection.
Possible, but I think that only works if we get a moderate candidate on the other side for them to switch to. The Republican Party has not been about "moderates" the last few election cycles.
or if people are really that tired of Obama already.
I don't dispute that, I'm just saying without the prospect of another re-election run coming, he may be able to use that to his advantage.
well, the "independents" are a bunch of idiots...
I honestly think that faction is pretty small. Just like I think the left overs of the 08 "Obama is black Jesus" contingent have faded.
Not to mention Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck won't be voting for him this election cycle either.
I think they'll try, but in the end most voters are pretty fuckin uninformed, they only understand black and white. Oh, and blame assignment. So in the end it comes down to which side can more successfully pin the tail on the blame donkey.
so you got zombies and the ignorant choosing leaders. am i the only person frightened by the concept?