Syrian Revolution to Civil War

[Roughrider1]

For those who have been keeping up with the news, it seems that the Syrian political revolution has gone from peaceful protesting, to violent riots, and is now possibly growing into something bigger.
Personally, this is just another big example of that final struggle before a tyrannical power before it's true fall. With businesses being ransacked by the Syrian military and police being attacked, it seems that a civil war is not far away.
Any other thoughts on this?

Here's a link to the latest story from msnbc.com.
Syria close to 'real civil war' - MSNBC

[All-American-Badass]

I don't find this surprising, the entire middle east has had bouts of civil wars for decades.

[Korriken]

the only problem with civil wars in muslim countries is the chance that some "durka durka JIHAD!!" group will end up in power, which will only make things worse.

either that or the military ends up in charge, kind of like in Egypt.

[ZJ]

At 11/17/11 11:35 AM, Thief1337 wrote:

World War is coming soon. I guarantee you it will happen.

Are you hinting that a civil war like this is going to be the thing that sparks another world war? That's not a ridiculous idea, but I'd love to hear you expand on it if that's how you really feel about it.

[Roughrider1]

At 11/17/11 08:03 PM, Thief1337 wrote:

At 11/17/11 07:08 PM, Korriken wrote: the only problem with civil wars in muslim countries is the chance that some "durka durka JIHAD!!" group will end up in power, which will only make things worse.

How could it be worse ? Are you talking about groups like Al-Qaeda ?

Well, if you think about it, all countries are scared to go to war, because war is expensive, and no one will want to spend money unless provoked. If you look back at the start of WW1, the start of it happened because of a radical group, called the Black Hand, decided to off the Archduke of Austria which lead to war between Serbia and Yugoslavia, bringing all the national alliances into play. It will be no surprise if a new radical group starts a war.

Another good question is, how well prepared are we (the world) for another World War?

[orangebomb]

Well, this was going to be inevitable that both the Syrian citizens and the government forces are going to clash in a civil war, just like what happened in Libya. Most likely, the US and NATO forces are going to intervene, but we really don't know when at this point, and considering that even Syria's neighboring countries are backing away from them, I probably imagine that Al-Assad doesn't have that much time left.

I don't know about a World War happening in the future per se, but what I do know is that countries like Yemen and Iran are probably going to be next in this chain reaction of the Arab Spring, and most likely, there will be a lot of blood spilled.

[MattDogg]

At 11/17/11 11:08 PM, orangebomb wrote: I don't know about a World War happening in the future per se, but what I do know is that countries like Yemen and Iran are probably going to be next in this chain reaction of the Arab Spring, and most likely, there will be a lot of blood spilled.

Don't forget Bahrain. It seems the MSM doesn't want to cover that

[aviewaskewed]

At 11/17/11 08:01 PM, Thief1337 wrote: They want to invade the whole Middle East and colonize it,

Which obviously is why we're pulling our troops out of Iraq to allow them to govern themselves next month right?

just like they did in Lybia by taking Kadhafi down.

Apparently someone doesn't know what a NATO mission means?

[morefngdbs]

Look at it the way the US & the European Economic Unit does...there's very little resources there to exploit so who fucking gives a shit !

I mean its not like Iraq with huge oil reserves or Libya with....huge oil reserves.

Not that ,that was the reason the West went in there & bombed the shit out of them & destroyed their governemtns ...

they went in their to 'help the people'

...nod nod, wink wink .

[aviewaskewed]

At 11/18/11 10:02 AM, Thief1337 wrote: They have already invaded and took control of the whole place, many years ago.

Installed a friendly-ish government yes. But that same government is on the record as being the ones that have said "get out and let us run our shit now please".

The same goes with Afghanistan.

Afghanistan would be closer to what you were saying if it didn't have all the ear marks of the typical "prop up a piece of garbage that the people will hate...but we'll like because he does what we say...oh look at the mod with the pitchforks" style of foreign "democracy" we've been pushing for decades now (Karzai has won big with his "vote for me or you don't eat" campaign strategies)

If you consider that to be peace, I don't know what you are thinking.

I don't. I also don't consider it to be control either...especially because there isn't peace, and I still have doubts as to the long term viability of the current regime if the US draws down troops and funding.

There are US military bases all over the place and that's probably the easiest thing to understand from this war.

So US Military Bases equal control now? In that case, I think Germany should start paying us some goddamn taxes or something then...and all those other sovereign nations we have bases in. Bases don't indicate Big Brother, or a shadow government. It simply indicates friendly relations.

Indeed, you don't seem to have an idea of their purpose. You still believe they're peace-makers ?

No, I believe they're the guys who get rid of the inveterate scumbags when the inveterate scumbag gets to be too much of an issue for them and they see an opportunity to get a government in play that they think serves their interests and needs in the area better. This however does not mean control. This means a calculated risk, which still can blow up in their face (I know it's reaching back in time and landing much closer to home geographically but...remember Cuba?)

[HooglyBoogly]

Syrian will go into a Civil War soon. If the revolutionaries can garnish any support is what I have been wondering. Most countries, with the exception of Turkey, haven't been very outspoken about it. I know that Turkey is sheltering many people, including many of the military defectors.

If you look at the Middle East and North Africa as a whole you see a pretty common pattern. The majority of the countries have always existed under some form of Totalitarianism. Whether it be Dictatorship, Monarchy, e.t.c.

[Cochises]

Syria will go to civil war, I have contact with a friend currently living in Syria, he's telling saying that more and more soldiers are defecting and joining the side of the revolution, although this is good, it will just lead to a clear civil war. Hope NATO has nothing to do with this!

Unfortunately most of the African/Arab world will see revolutions and protests, because of those military backed governments that are destroying everything, and those emerging Islamist assholes, undermining the whole revolution for their stupidity and greed for power!

[morefngdbs]

At 11/18/11 01:09 PM, Thief1337 wrote:

At 11/18/11 12:22 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Look at it the way the US & the European Economic Unit does...there's very little resources there to exploit so who fucking gives a shit !

All the ressources on the planet aren't even enough to pay the debt we're in.

;;;
When you don't even bother to check...that's what infuriates me about many who post here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_reserve s_in_Iraq
Just take the 'proven reserves' 134 billion barrels, at $100.00 per barrel that's 13 Trillion dollars .
How much is the US in debt right now ?
THis is one country ! Libya has 46 billion !
do the math...its not hard !!! another 4 trillion, 600 billion !
IF the resevers in the first example are 300 billion that 30 trillion dollars...if oil prices don't rise (& we all know they never rise) that amount goes UP

So all of the worlds resources would be in the hundreds of trillions of dollars !

By making the currency crashing down (for instance the Euro), they can buy it and merge it with the US currency, Canadian currency, etc. and make one world currency with a world central bank and a world government. That's how they want to draw new cards on the table. Greece is one good example of how they drop a currency down.

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Greece is in the trouble they are, becasue they cannot 'drop the currency down'
They are tied into the European Union & the Euro has the same value in every country. That's the problem .
Secondly you obviously know very little about fiat currecies .
Every single fiat currency used since we have records going back thousands of years ...has failed.
Every
Single
One of them.
This is happening right up to now.
With the last one being Zimbabwe.
But it has happened to China, to Rome,Germany,Yugoslavia, Zaire, Venezeula,Turkey, Russia...right up to today !

http://www.bschooladmissionsformula.com/
fiat-currency-default-risk/
http://dailyreckoning.com/fiat-currency/

With an asset backed monitary system this can't happen.
BUT
Bankers & Governement can't steal from you the worker as easily as they can with toilet paper currency aka colored pieces of paper !

If you would bother to look up what American money is, you will see the paper money of the USA today isn't a dollar it is a federal reserve NOTE.
THe coins issued today for circulation are under the discription if what money is...are TOKENS. not coin money at all.

Do a bit of research, the info's out there & really easy to find.

[Warforger]

At 11/17/11 10:36 PM, Roughrider1 wrote: Well, if you think about it, all countries are scared to go to war, because war is expensive, and no one will want to spend money unless provoked. If you look back at the start of WW1, the start of it happened because of a radical group, called the Black Hand, decided to off the Archduke of Austria which lead to war between Serbia and Yugoslavia, bringing all the national alliances into play. It will be no surprise if a new radical group starts a war.

Another good question is, how well prepared are we (the world) for another World War?

Except those tensions were created after decades of tensions, wars and political moves which were why the war happened, the assassination of Franz Ferdinand if anything was meaningless, what really started WWI was Austria's reaction which was completely retarded, even then no one blames Russia for mobilizing its troops on is border with Austria as a response and no one blames France for provoking Germany. It's not like before the assassination Europe was in peace and harmony, god no they were preparing for the war for decades.

Similarly here, without it's trading partners in America China would be ruined so they'll probably not provoke a war against the US anytime soon. Without China what's left? Iran? North Korea? Russia? These nations can't do anything without getting ruined (well North Korea doesn't have to do anything it already is).

[AKACCMIOF]

*Lurking waiting for opposing viewpoint and interesting debate*

Not that I disagree, but some variety of opinion would be nice chaps.

[animehater]

At this rate foreign intervention is impossible unless it were some Turkish/ Arab legue coalition doing the bombing though that is unlikely in my opinion. That being said, it would seem that all that can be done is hope that the free syrian army gets stronger and weakens the regime significantly in the next few months and the syrian national council gets more international support.

[HooglyBoogly]

At 11/21/11 03:43 PM, AKACCMIOF wrote: *Lurking waiting for opposing viewpoint and interesting debate*

Not that I disagree, but some variety of opinion would be nice chaps.

Haha, it's hard to have any valid argument contradicting the inevitable situation there. The Ba'ath party refuses to step down amid months of continuous rioting and protesting. It's really only a matter of time before a civil uprising, and/or third-party intervention occurs.

I don't think the US will get involved at all, in my opinion.

[morefngdbs]

At 11/21/11 05:03 PM, Thief1337 wrote:

At 11/20/11 06:17 PM, morefngdbs wrote: Just take the 'proven reserves' 134 billion barrels, at $100.00 per barrel that's 13 Trillion dollars.

How are you gonna print 13 trillion dollars ? Especially, how are you gonna be able to do that without interest ? It only multiplies the debt. There is interest on every single one dollar bill you have.

You said...there are not enough resources to pay off your debt.
I used "oil' as an EXAMPLE.
I could have used gold or other resources...its all relative to your claim ...THERE ISN'T ENOUGH...which is WRONG.

And there are better ways.
Easier ways.
Like the US doing what their Constitution tells them to do ...& THat is ISSUE YOUR OWN MONEY INTEREST FREE.

How you ask ?

Get rid of the illegal Federal reserve system.

If the USofA can issue treasury notes, the UsofA can issue dollar notes !
You don't need a private company doin git for you at inflated interest rates !