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At 11/9/11 05:23 PM, Darthleather wrote: Here.

Hanna Barbera sure changed their tune later on.

I wonder if it was just a money and public image thing. I'd imagine that both Winston and the anti-smoking firms paid Hanna Barbera pretty good money to use their trademarked and recognized characters to appeal to a broad audience that included children.

At 11/9/11 05:57 PM, HomerSexual wrote: They never use Marlb Menthol....

Because it didn't bloody well exist back then!

they were the flinstoners man that wasnt cigs dems were weedies !!!

At 11/9/11 02:53 PM, BobsBurgers2011 wrote: So the greatest cartoon show of all time has Fred and Barney smoking cigarettes? WHAT!?

Yeah, cigarette advertisements were very, VERY common back in those days. The tobacco companies sponsored many shows and were practically loved in those days when people were oblivious to the detrimental health effects of tobacco smoke. Eventually, Congress outlawed tobacco advertising on TV and radio(And eventually newspapers, I think) in 1971....

....History is amazing, isn't it?

In those days, cigarettes sponsered everything they could, and this was before laws were made about what exactly those companies can sponser.

You make it sound like a horrible thing but thats just how things were in the past.

At 11/10/11 01:56 AM, Gagsy wrote:

You make it sound like a horrible thing but thats just how things were in the past.

That doesn't mean that it wasn't horrible, though.

At 11/10/11 01:57 AM, Jedi-Master wrote:

That doesn't mean that it wasn't horrible, though.

And the profits energy companies and oil typcoons make is beyond horrible really but we live it.

At 11/10/11 02:02 AM, Gagsy wrote:

At 11/10/11 01:57 AM, Jedi-Master wrote:

That doesn't mean that it wasn't horrible, though.

And the profits energy companies and oil typcoons make is beyond horrible really but we live it.

There's really no such thing as making "too much" money, as long as no one is being exploited. What's wrong with making enormous profits if no one is getting hurt?

Of course, energy companies and oil tycoons are exploiting people(Or things, like the environment, if you want to say that) to make such profits, which is wrong.

I just want to emphasize my point that as long as no one or no thing is harmed or exploited in any way, it's not logical to say that a person(s) or an organization(s) is making "too much money."

Also, in case you don't already know, oil companies get subsidies in the U.S. Ridiculous, isn't it? I find it appalling as an ardent believer in the power of capitalism.

At 11/10/11 02:08 AM, Jedi-Master wrote:

There's really no such thing as making "too much" money, as long as no one is being exploited. What's wrong with making enormous profits if no one is getting hurt?

Of course, energy companies and oil tycoons are exploiting people(Or things, like the environment, if you want to say that) to make such profits, which is wrong.

I just want to emphasize my point that as long as no one or no thing is harmed or exploited in any way, it's not logical to say that a person(s) or an organization(s) is making "too much money."

I respect your conclusion, I hope you grant me the same as I can't quite agree with you. People always get hurt when money is involved.

Also, in case you don't already know, oil companies get subsidies in the U.S. Ridiculous, isn't it? I find it appalling as an ardent believer in the power of capitalism.

I honestly have no idea what you just said.

What I meant to say really;

Everything in the past is terrible by todays standards. Doesn't make it SO bad back then, just means we have different principles now. I can think of dozens of things that were happening back then that was worse and things happening now that are worst. The fact is, cigarette companies cannot get advertising in most countries. Its banned for most forms of tobacco to get advertising in this way, so why do we need to focus on the past?

The Flinestones is still awesome.

At 11/10/11 02:12 AM, Gagsy wrote:

I respect your conclusion, I hope you grant me the same as I can't quite agree with you. People always get hurt when money is involved.

I do respect your beliefs as well.

Also, in case you don't already know, oil companies get subsidies in the U.S. Ridiculous, isn't it? I find it appalling as an ardent believer in the power of capitalism.

I honestly have no idea what you just said.

Essentially, I meant to say that it's a violation of the principles of capitalism for a company to receive government subsidies, especially when these businesses are already pulling in massive profits.

What I meant to say really;

Everything in the past is terrible by todays standards. Doesn't make it SO bad back then, just means we have different principles now. I can think of dozens of things that were happening back then that was worse and things happening now that are worst. The fact is, cigarette companies cannot get advertising in most countries. Its banned for most forms of tobacco to get advertising in this way, so why do we need to focus on the past?

I see your point and I agree.

The Flinestones is still awesome.

I have never seen the show, lol. I guess it's my loss.

At 11/10/11 02:36 AM, Jedi-Master wrote:

I do respect your beliefs as well.

Huzzah!

Essentially, I meant to say that it's a violation of the principles of capitalism for a company to receive government subsidies, especially when these businesses are already pulling in massive profits.

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I had to google define the word 'subsidy', I'm just dumb like that and honestly try to keep away from business talk and stuff like 'capitalism vs socialism vs communism'. It all just confuses my mind and I prefer not to get worked up over these things. I try to anyway. Hard when this kind of stuff comes to light. Very very naughty really.

I see your point and I agree.

And I think it was before people knew the actual evils and health problems that can be cause by smoking cigarettes.

I have never seen the show, lol. I guess it's my loss.

Yabba-dabba-oh my! D:

back then Cigarettes were not seen as bad, and they didnt know about all the diseases it could cause.

Flintstoners? Don't you mean Flintstone's? Sounds like they smoked more than cigarettes by your thread title, lol.

Also:

Bugs Bunny's free cigar stand
http://bugsbunnypictures.com/bugs-bunny-
and-his-cigars.jpg

Tom and Jerry, jerry lighting tom's cigar
http://www.aficionado.org.uk/img/TomAndJ erry.PNG

The Simpsons(female teacher, marge's sisters lighting up)
http://images.brisbanetimes.com.au/2009/
06/01/549502/article400_simpsons_smoking -420x0.jpg

Alcohol and Tobacco were featured heavily in kid's cartoons of the 40s-60s. Probably because back then the effects of tobacco weren't as widely known or published, and the cartoons weren't only meant for children.

Today, cartoons are specifically marketed toward children.(with the exception of fox, and adult swim) So any references toward violence, substance use/abuse, and such is prohibited. Back in the good ol' days of animation, however, it was all in good ol' fashioned fun. :D

it was a cartoon parody of the honeymooners... so yeah... duh

At 11/10/11 02:48 AM, Gagsy wrote:

At 11/10/11 02:36 AM, Jedi-Master wrote:

I do respect your beliefs as well.

Huzzah!

lol no jk you suck. :)

Essentially, I meant to say that it's a violation of the principles of capitalism for a company to receive government subsidies, especially when these businesses are already pulling in massive profits.

o

I had to google define the word 'subsidy', I'm just dumb like that and honestly try to keep away from business talk and stuff like 'capitalism vs socialism vs communism'. It all just confuses my mind and I prefer not to get worked up over these things. I try to anyway. Hard when this kind of stuff comes to light. Very very naughty really.

Yeah....you definitely don't want to end up being a political junkie like I have.

And there's nothing dumb about googling the word "subsidy."

Back in those days smoking wasn't known to be such a health hazard and it is one of those few things that was actually less taboo back in the day than it is now. Back in those days EVERYONE smoked.

Well, of course the Flintstones smoked! It was back in the Stone Age where people had no idea that smoking was bad for you! As I said earlier, people probably knew that smoking was bad around 500 years ago or so, but they definitley had no idea of it in the times of the Flintstones. Maybe the humans there evolved the ability to breathe the smoky air, but the dinosaurs didn't, so the humans outlived them.

It was made when smoking was more popular back in the 50's or something. I wouldn't be surprised.

The Flintstones smoked.... and now where are they? DEAD! They're DEAD!

At 11/10/11 12:41 PM, Ericho wrote: Well, of course the Flintstones smoked! It was back in the Stone Age where people had no idea that smoking was bad for you! As I said earlier, people probably knew that smoking was bad around 500 years ago or so, but they definitley had no idea of it in the times of the Flintstones. Maybe the humans there evolved the ability to breathe the smoky air, but the dinosaurs didn't, so the humans outlived them.

Lolz, humans and dinosaurs never lived at the same time. Humans came around millions of years afterward. In fact, most mammals alive at the time of the dinosaurs were tiny, mouse-sized animals.

Well those were certainly different times

lol Flintstoners.I like that.

At 11/9/11 02:53 PM, BobsBurgers2011 wrote: So the greatest cartoon show of all time has Fred and Barney smoking cigarettes? WHAT!?

The cartoon was geared towards adults at the time, kinda like Family Guy.

At 11/10/11 12:53 PM, EmbalmedCorpse wrote: The Flintstones smoked.... and now where are they? DEAD! They're DEAD!

Redeeming post of the thread

At 11/10/11 04:14 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote:

At 11/9/11 02:53 PM, BobsBurgers2011 wrote: So the greatest cartoon show of all time has Fred and Barney smoking cigarettes? WHAT!?

The cartoon was geared towards adults at the time, kinda like Family Guy.

Related News: Seth Macfarlane going to make the remake of the flintstones! oh god nO!

Flintstones did lots of bad stuff. Who cares?

At 11/9/11 06:19 PM, Timchik wrote:

At 11/9/11 02:53 PM, BobsBurgers2011 wrote: the greatest cartoon show of all time

I can name at least 10 cartoons better than The Flinstones. Hanah-Barbera was a horrible cartoon company.

That is just your opinion on Hanna-Barbara and not a fact. I'm sure there are many other people who think Hannah-Barabara was a good company, and there are others who might agree with you.

The Flintstones smoked?

And here I thought they couldn't because they didn't actually exist. Huh.

Am I the only one here who noticed how HUEG those cigs were?

God Damn

no surprises there :/