Anti-Bullying law allows exception.

[CrazySquirrel124]

Read the god damn article.

So, kids can bully each other if it's in the name of GAWD. Prepare to see a hell of a lot more suicides. Oh well. It's not like the laws actually helped.

[Blysk]

Sounds about right to me, to be honest

[Razz]

I see a lot of bashing in the article, but I don't see any proof. I've lived in Michigan, and bullying doesn't really seem like an issue there. Nor religion either, there are many of all religions in MI; from muslims, to christians, and even jews.

At 11/5/11 11:02 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote: Prepare to see a hell of a lot more suicides.

Why? You think every kid that gets bullied will kill themselves? And you think this bill will actually stop schools from suspending a bully? You, sir, are a complete retard.

[Mfan]

typical religious bullshit, it's time to illegalize all forms of religion , anybody whom believes in a invisible force which science cannot prove exists can't be of sound mind anyway

[Light]

The state of Michigan has passed an anti-bullying law that allows people to bully kids in the name of religion. In other words, bullying kids is wrong except if it is done in the name of Jesus or some other religious belief. If you are a kid being bullied in the name of Jesus, then sad day for you.

This will probably be challenged in court and defeated. If history is indicative of anything judicially, it's that these kinds of laws that make ludicrous exceptions are either amended for the good of the people or tossed out entirely.

The changes in this law were a result of lobbying efforts by the Christian group, The American Family Association. This group has been designated as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center in 2010 because of their attacks and propaganda on the gay community.

Well, this is completely surprising. Holy shit, who thought that religious Christians were behind this?

[thegarbear14]

that is pointless why the f*ck would they do that? well actually either the people believe people have the right to bully people about religion or they want to make religious/ semi religious people look bad by making it appear as if they bully more than they do.... i'm expecting to be called a retard because most people are going to be like that....

[zag]

assuming this is legit, that's quite ridiculous...
however, I can't say I'm surprised.

[CrazySquirrel124]

At 11/5/11 11:06 PM, JoeMation wrote: I see a lot of bashing in the article, but I don't see any proof. I've lived in Michigan, and bullying doesn't really seem like an issue there. Nor religion either, there are many of all religions in MI; from muslims, to christians, and even jews.

At 11/5/11 11:02 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote: Prepare to see a hell of a lot more suicides.

Why? You think every kid that gets bullied will kill themselves? And you think this bill will actually stop schools from suspending a bully? You, sir, are a complete retard.

First of all, schools don't give a shit about bullies until the victim beats the shit out of them, and even so, the bully never gets in trouble. Fact of life.
Second, do you know what it's like to go to a school that's 90% Christian and you're the only Atheist? You feel like a black guy in the South...the deep South...in the 40's.
You are a lot more likely to be depressed in this situation.
Also, even if you're gay, that's another way for people to bully you. And we ALL know how many people have killed themselves over that type of bullying.

[CheapTrick]

Well, another example that fanaticism ruins everything.

[Mfan]

u aint not beliveing in the Power of jebus , you be sinning

[zag]

At 11/5/11 11:11 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote:
schools don't give a shit about bullies until the victim beats the shit out of them, and even so, the bully never gets in trouble. Fact of life.

not necessarily... schools become quite concerned when there's enough physical damage that you can press charges against the school. you have no idea how fucking responsive a school can be in that situation, especially when multiple students gang up on one kid.

sadly, I know this from experience u.u middle school sucked.

[CrazySquirrel124]

At 11/5/11 11:16 PM, zag wrote:

At 11/5/11 11:11 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote:
schools don't give a shit about bullies until the victim beats the shit out of them, and even so, the bully never gets in trouble. Fact of life.

not necessarily... schools become quite concerned when there's enough physical damage that you can press charges against the school. you have no idea how fucking responsive a school can be in that situation, especially when multiple students gang up on one kid.

sadly, I know this from experience u.u middle school sucked.

What I was talking about is when the victim tells the school, and the school says "ignore it"
Then, the victim bashes the ever loving fuck out of the bully.
And the school is always surprised, the victim gets punished, and the bully gets off scot-free.

[Razz]

At 11/5/11 11:11 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote: First of all, schools don't give a shit about bullies until the victim beats the shit out of them, and even so, the bully never gets in trouble. Fact of life.

First of all, I've went to four high schools. If anyone on this forum has high school experience, it's me. And I'll tell you right now you're wrong. Schools care because the administrators enjoy having a sense of control, but the problem is they suspend both students rather than just the offender.

Second, do you know what it's like to go to a school that's 90% Christian and you're the only Atheist? You feel like a black guy in the South...the deep South...in the 40's.

I went to a school with almost all black kids. And I'm pale white, I doubt I'm even capable of tanning. You only feel out of place if you let it bother you, if the other students don't accept you then fuck them. If Christians seriously bother you that much, make friends with the atheists.

You are a lot more likely to be depressed in this situation.

Depression does not equal suicide, I've suffered from it for many years and I'm still here

Also, even if you're gay, that's another way for people to bully you. And we ALL know how many people have killed themselves over that type of bullying.

Most Michigan schools support the 'day of silence' where homosexual students and pro-gay students stay quiet all day.

Seriously, I have no idea where you get your info from or what you're on about. And as I said, this article only cites one section of the entire bill wherein it doesn't necessarily show that religious bullies will be excerpt from punishment of the law. And even more over, a school will still be able to suspend the bully. What the hell are you on about?

[POTaTOS]

Sometimes I hate my own religion.

[zag]

At 11/5/11 11:19 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote:

At 11/5/11 11:16 PM, zag wrote:

At 11/5/11 11:11 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote:
schools don't give a shit about bullies until the victim beats the shit out of them, and even so, the bully never gets in trouble. Fact of life.

not necessarily... schools become quite concerned when there's enough physical damage that you can press charges against the school. you have no idea how fucking responsive a school can be in that situation, especially when multiple students gang up on one kid.

sadly, I know this from experience u.u middle school sucked.

What I was talking about is when the victim tells the school, and the school says "ignore it"
Then, the victim bashes the ever loving fuck out of the bully.
And the school is always surprised, the victim gets punished, and the bully gets off scot-free.

well, that's one scenario where the school starts caring... and more often, schools suspend both students in a fight, whether or not the person who didn't start the fight was at all responsible. it's rare that an antagonizer isn't punished. the victim is just equally punished (because the system is fucked)
but anyway, there are other reasons for the school to become concerned. I just mentioned one of the others. also, it depends greatly on the school and the individual students' relationships with the teachers.

[HollowedPumkinz]

A site made for bashing religion. My God it's like some (not all) athesists live to bash religion in all forms. Seriously what the hell. You don't like it, good don't believe in it. No one in America has ever put a gun to anyone's head and said "believe in this or die". So chill the fuck out and find another way to let out your angst for society other than bashing someone's beliefs because they aren't your own.

As for this law, absolutely stupid as fuck. How the hell do you beat the shit out of someone in the name of God anyways? That's too easy of a scape goat for anyone. I have a hard time believing anyone would push that through. Unless of course I wasn't given full context of the situation do to that clearly bias site against anything even remotely religious. I may not know all the information but from the information given by that site it sounds like a bunch of conservatist idiots tyring to get rights they don't need for something horrible like bullying.

Laws against bullying are stupid to begin with anyways though. I mean, the law can't stop something purely psycological like bullying. There are plenty of ways kids can bully each other with out having any evidence of doing so. There are more ways to bully than leaving scratches and bruises. Harrassment via hate comments are an easy way to get someone to hate themselves without having any evidence they are doing it. You can't just say "he called me names" and have no proof.

You want someone to stop bullying you? Stop giving a shit or fight back. The world is cruel, and no, the world isn't perfect, sometimes the law can't touch everything or there can't be anyone to protect you. Sometimes you have to fight back. Because the minute they realize you can't be fucked with, they will stop. Land one punch in and they know they can't just walk all over you. It's not safe and it induces more violence and it's not the perfect solution. But naively believing the government can put a bandaid on a scar and have it heal is equally ignorant. Bullying won't stop because the law is involved because the law can scarcely do shit but scare tactics. Kids are stupid and obnoxious and arrogant and pugnacious. They won't stop that becuase the law said so.

I know a kid who was harrassed everyday in my class. And the teacher did shit about it despite the cruelties of it. And at times I wanted to fight for him until I realized he wasn't effected by it. Until I realized despite their comments and hateful attitude, he kept on being him no matter what they said. He's a stronger man than I can hope of being. He simply didn't give a shit about what they said. He kept being strong. And now, even till this day every time I see him in the halls I can't help but think what a great guy he'll turn out to be. He didn't run to the law, he didn't cry to mommy. He dealt with it like a man. He exemplifies all that of which I aspire to be. Fearless of being oneself. The law didn't have shit to do with it. He handled it alone. Becuase in the end, it all comes down to what you do, not what the law does.

[LocoJoe]

In the name of god give me your lunch money!

[HollowedPumkinz]

At 11/5/11 11:07 PM, Mfan wrote: typical religious bullshit, it's time to illegalize all forms of religion , anybody whom believes in a invisible force which science cannot prove exists can't be of sound mind anyway

In rhetorical terms it's called "Argument form Ignorance" in which both sides take a stance on something that neither side can prove or disprove. You say we can't prove God exsists. I say, prove me wrong. In the end it's all about belief. You don't always have to see something to believe it exsists. I choose to believe, and if you don't, that's your problem. But hating anyone for choosing something different from you is ignorant beyond belief. You give Atheism a bad name.

Tl;Dr: You're a hateful, spiteful, ignorant, assuming, little asshole.

[Idiot-Finder]

At 11/5/11 11:35 PM, LocoJoe wrote: In the name of god give me your lunch money!

That's exactly how I made all those money, I used my old high school ID to sneak in and start bullying those losers, it's really awesome.

Made $666 so far.

[Light]

At 11/5/11 11:38 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote:

But hating anyone for choosing something different from you is ignorant beyond belief.

Is it wrong to hate anyone who tries to force their beliefs onto others?

You give Atheism a bad name.

It already has a bad name when you think about it. Most people around the world have utter contempt for atheists, or at the very least, do not like them.

[Lumber-Jax12]

At 11/5/11 11:11 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote:

At 11/5/11 11:06 PM, JoeMation wrote: I see a lot of bashing in the article, but I don't see any proof. I've lived in Michigan, and bullying doesn't really seem like an issue there. Nor religion either, there are many of all religions in MI; from muslims, to christians, and even jews.

At 11/5/11 11:02 PM, CrazySquirrel124 wrote: Prepare to see a hell of a lot more suicides.

Why? You think every kid that gets bullied will kill themselves? And you think this bill will actually stop schools from suspending a bully? You, sir, are a complete retard.

First of all, schools don't give a shit about bullies until the victim beats the shit out of them, and even so, the bully never gets in trouble. Fact of life.
Second, do you know what it's like to go to a school that's 90% Christian and you're the only Atheist? You feel like a black guy in the South...the deep South...in the 40's.
You are a lot more likely to be depressed in this situation.
Also, even if you're gay, that's another way for people to bully you. And we ALL know how many people have killed themselves over that type of bullying.

Seriously, what the fuck are you on? It's 2011 I am christian and I know plenty of atheists I don't preach to them, but I do give them my opinion. No one who says they're christian barely follows the religion (Out of scale of 1 being an atheists and 10 being an evangelist, I'd say most kids fall into a 4, while catholic school kids are usually a 4.5-5, 6+ is rare, but hey we're human right?) anymore so it's not like these kids actively seek you out. If they do, then they need to ease up and find a more peaceful way to send the message.

But what I think is you probably go out of your way to make it known your an atheist and obviously people will get up in arms about their religion no matter how little they follow it, most people will defend anything just because they're "in-the-group".

[Boomstick]

Another reason why religion is a bunch of bullshit.

[SuperSilver123]

So chill the fuck out and find another way to let out your angst for society other than bashing someone's beliefs because they aren't your own.

I am pretty sure that the site is not bashing religion just because they have different beliefs. I think it's more inclined to show religion and its followers' evils towards America (and other places) and how wrong religion can be to a society.

To say that the site's only purpose was to let out their "angst" for religion (as if religion was some sort of fashion trend, not some societal dominator that is seen as detrimental to the function of society) is pretty arrogant. Clearly, if this was an atheist site dedicated to taking down religion, it would be because they think religion is very harmful, not because it simply had different beliefs than them.

Also, religion does not always contain beliefs. There are many religious acts and bills that these people might find atrocious and want to remove through persuasion on the internet.

[Halberd]

If this is true then the law was probably made by a bunch of stupid fucking Christians/Jews/other religious people who use to bully atheists and non-believers as a kid and still haven't gotten over it and think their kids should be able to do the same

Seriously, there was a lot of bullying back in the 1900's (throughout) and even though you'd think all the bullies have become respectable adults now the truth is a lot of them are still out there and deep down haven't changed.

[The-Great-One]

Great... so kill the Jew is still accepted.

[HollowedPumkinz]

At 11/5/11 11:42 PM, Jedi-Master wrote:

At 11/5/11 11:38 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote:

But hating anyone for choosing something different from you is ignorant beyond belief.

Is it wrong to hate anyone who tries to force their beliefs onto others?

Where do you think you live? Iraq? Having some Bible thumper knock on your door and ask you if you'd like to hear about Jesus isn't the same as someone forcing you to believe in what they do or being prosecuted for it. Have some patience. If you see a Billboard or a have a knock on your door or having to say "under god" for a pledge is not like someone ripping pages out of the bible and cramming it down your neck. All most every one in the world is religious. You go knock on your neighbors door and ask them what they believe in and they will probably give you an answer instead of "nothing". So give them some slack.

Trust me, atheists are a very small minority. Out of all the 2000 students at my school I know like 5 that have said they aren't religious. And it's usually young people who don't believe, the one's between 14-20, the kind that are still lost in the world. I literally don't know a single adult who is atheist. People on the internet only like to think there are a lot of atheists because they all congregate online, probably because having a formal meeting place would be ineffective do to the low number of actual atheists. It actually warms my heart a little to realize that a lot of people are guided by the good morals of Christianity and religion in general (of course that's an opinion don't take it to heart).

You give Atheism a bad name.

It already has a bad name when you think about it. Most people around the world have utter contempt for atheists, or at the very least, do not like them.

True, because it's such a small minority with a huge controversial idea sitting at the middle of it. Many people would hate it, it's blasphemous to most. Only in the liberal ideals of free societies like America, England and most of Western Europe, could possibly allow such a minority to even exsist. In many smaller countries that aren't so liberal, people like atheists are prosecuted if they speak unfavorably of the national faith publicly. Fortunately, people like me and you live in much more free places. Even if it is really liberal sometimes.

[SuperSilver123]

It actually warms my heart a little to realize that a lot of people are guided by the good morals of Christianity and religion in general (of course that's an opinion don't take it to heart).

It warms my heart to know someone dismisses religion for better things and retains good morals.
Just my opinion as well.

[HollowedPumkinz]

At 11/6/11 12:09 AM, SuperSilver123 wrote:

It actually warms my heart a little to realize that a lot of people are guided by the good morals of Christianity and religion in general (of course that's an opinion don't take it to heart).

It warms my heart to know someone dismisses religion for better things and retains good morals.
Just my opinion as well.

Well, Religion tends to be the basis of many many morals. People act good and do good things in the name of God. It's why many people decide to go out and do nice things for others or refrain from doing wrong. It's kind of like they're under the gun of a vengeful God. Like "Be good or burn in Hell." That kind of thing. It'd be nice if people knew right from wrong by heart instead of having to be threatened by pastors and priests but that's not how Humans are. Because in reality, Morals make no logical sense, doing things for others or restricting oneself for the sake of doing the "right" thing isn't logical. It's only logical to do what's good for you, what puts you ahead despite the ways you do them. In a cold technical world, that's how it would be. But religion kind of forces people into doing right in order to save their eternal soul. It's a necessary evil. After all, you can't tell me would do things for Humanity's sake without first having reason to, and that reason being to not burn in Hell.

After all what is Humanity without Morals, hardely human I'd say. I thank God for Reglion, I would even if I weren't religious. Back before Christ or having something to believe in, people only did things for themselves, to further there own investments and to improve their own standings. And then Jesus did something no one had done before and that is doing something so utterly unselfish like give his own life for our sins that it makes one think how we've all acted up until then. Unselfishness was unheard of, if it wasn't for yourself or for your own Family or cause than no one did shit about it.

[Atheist-Messiah]

At 11/5/11 11:59 PM, The-Great-One wrote: Great... so kill the Jew is still accepted.

Micky will show you how!

[zag]

At 11/6/11 12:37 AM, Atheist-Messiah wrote:

At 11/5/11 11:59 PM, The-Great-One wrote: Great... so kill the Jew is still accepted.

Micky will show you how!

I presume you've seen Tomorrow's Pioneers... XD