At 11/18/11 07:15 PM, Famas wrote:
Scientific illiteracy is one of the primary problems facing humanity.
Pretty sure the poor brown people in the middle east would rather a creationist US president than the current one who belives in evolution and, you know, bombs them and stuff.
We live in an age with the greatest dependance upon technological advancement in human history, yet as a whole we are completely disenchanted with the processes that create and maintain these advancements.
It also means we're inventing and producing more technology than any time in history, so I'm pretty sure creationists are, surprise surprise, pretty harmless. Oh, and there are less creationists now than any point in history.
This is a volatile combination, and the nuclear arms race is probably one of the greatest examples of the sort of dangers that arise from our state of ignorance. We're like a bunch of six year-olds with firecrackers, and we're bound to blow our fingers off or shoot our eyes out at some point.
What the fuck? Are you saying people doubt the destructive capabilities of nuclear weapons or something? Seriously, this is fucking retarded. It has nothing to do with 'scientific ignorance' an everything to do with nation-states.
You're painting with an extremely broad brush. Which liberals say this sort of thing? Even among my most insufferable Che Guevarra praising bleeding heart friends I have never heard the phrase "Darwinism".
Well, I have. You see, without universal healthcare, the weak die off and so it's like evolution. I see it all the time, though I've heard people like Michael Moore and Keith Olbermann use it.
Because unless you have accurately plotted and lab analyzed data that can support this, there's no reason for anybody to accept it by word of mouth? That's a pretty reasonable position to have.
Um no, the reasonsable position is "Well I haven't looked at the evidence, so while I guess it's possible but I can't know either way". The usual atheist-kiddie position is "No! No! You're wrong! You're a nazi racist!" (see: your last post).
First of all, source this information please. Searching for this claim doesn't exactly yield anything. On top of that, it wouldn't even be relevant to the conversation of intelligence if it were true, because the neanderthal had a higher brain mass than homo-sapien sapiens.
The correlation between brain size and intelligence ranges from approximately 0.3 to 0.6
Further, East Asians have larger brains than Africans, and have a much higher average intelligence. This doesn't prove anything, but it does suggest that there are grounds for belief in race influencing intelligence.
You're starting to approach a rather offensive level of ignorance in your posting, man.
Why? I didn't even claim that there are inherent racial IQ differences. I'm merely saying that "evolution advocates" dogmaticly deny the possibility, despite priding themselves on being "rational" and "critical thinkers".
I hope you're trolling, I don't want to assume that there are actual neo-nazi advocates on this board.
Given that I'm an anti-statist (i.e. that I literally want to abolish the government entirely), your views are far more akin to National Socialism. Sorry.
Nice try, but in the realm of something like biology you need to actually punctuate your claims with substantial evidence if you want people to accept the validity of your claims.
That literally had nothing to do with what I just said. You're essentially saying that race doesn't exist, which is stupid. Not least, because there are observable phenotypic differences in people of African origins to those of European origins. But I'm guessing that it's all some coincidence, right?
I'm not saying "There is no possible way that there is variance in intelligence between peoples of different genetic makeup" I'm stating "Your claims that entire races of human beings are intellectually superior/inferior to others requires evidence and supportive data". There's a difference between those two statements.
Firstly, Africans/people of african origin are demonstrably less intelligent than Europeans and East Asians. The only thing that is really disputed is the causes of these differences, and whether genetics plays a role in it at all.
Second, my whole point wasn't that it is gentic, just that these "critical thinking" assholes dismiss the possibility in a way that reminds me of creationist arguments.
Do you have even the remotest idea how genetically diverse the population of Africa is? Which African population are you talking about? Egyptians? Nigerians? Syrians? Somalians? Once again, source this claim before you run the risk of continuing to make completely unfounded and racist remarks.
Um for fuck's sakes its absolutely undeniably true that African nations, particularly Sub-saharan Africa, have lower average IQ's than European and particularly east asian countries.
Which population are you talking about, again? Which group of people can you point to who are genetically isolated from the rest of the world?
The vast majority of people reproduce with people of the same ethnicity as them. How many european half-breeds are in Africa as a percantage of population? Fuck all, I'd be willing to bet. Also, the traits from people of African origin tend to be more dominant than those from Europeans, meaning that half-breeds are more likely to display African-esque traits (i.e. athe offspring of a European that breeds with an african that has a lower IQ than than them will have a lower Iq than the european parent) and so the effects of racial inter-breeding is diminished.
Lincoln got his dome rocked shortly after Origin of Species was published. Not exactly somebody I would expect to have cutting edge ideas on human genetic diversity. Don't make pleas to authority like this. Your attitude is starting to get offensive.
Oh that's fine, call me a nazi though. Lmao
Anyway, evolutionary theory actually supports racial differences far more than creationism, because creationism supposes that god created everyone and so there is no reason to expect them to have been created unequally.
It's not name calling to point out that the flaws in your interpretation of Darwin's theories are verbatim the same ideas Hitler had about racial superiority.
Why not compare me to Lincoln then, huh? Huh?
"I am not, nor ever have been, in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people; and I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And in as much as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race." - Abaraham Lincoln
And you really don't get to play the moral high horse card here given what you're posting, especially if you're going to be a hypocrite by throwing around "atheist kiddies" and "fucking liberals" as insults .
Hmm, yeah calling people "atheist kiddies" is exactly as bad as comparing me to a mass murdering dictator for believing in a particualr sceitnific theory. Get fucked.