I would like to say that I am a good friend of Evil-Dog, henceforth referred to as ED. I have known ED for quite a while now, and I have to say that lately he is slipping. It is getting more and more difficult to get him up when the time comes. I think ED must be depressed because he lost his job at UBISOFT due to his flaccidity. If only he had stuck with his courses in high school, he would have gained the necessary skills to keep his job at UBISOFT instead of flipping burgers in the mornings and programming games alone in his basement at night.

At 11/2/11 07:33 PM, ExtraLife wrote: Perhaps from this particular instance will lead us to some new solution or new function for the site? (My philosophy is that any negative events can be interpreted as something empowering, no matter how disparaging it is ;) )

For instance, what if this was a calling for a new "R-Bot" to be programmed. Perhaps, this R-Bot could gather up the most useful/helpful reviews (voted on by users) and would display them in a special forum for users to discuss.

I concur. R-Bot sounds like a great idea. After all, reviewers who leave negative reviews on popular flashes have to deal with the entourage of fanboys marking their review as useless until it's deleted.

I personally do not like the delete-reviews-automatically feature. Unsurprisingly, several of my old reviews were deleted today within a 1 hour period. Surely, this was due to forum rage over this topic.

At 11/2/11 10:24 AM, TomFulp wrote: It really is frustrating that on a site with so much content, where you would think people on the forums would be talking about cool stuff they found, instead you have to just read shit like this.

I DIDN'T REALLY LIKE LAB OF THE DEAD BUT YOU COULD TELL ALOT OF EFFORT WAS PUT INTO IT, GOOD JOB, ALSO NYAN CAXX DIDN'T REALLY LIKE THAT EITHER BUT THE ANIMATION AND ART WAS AMAZING SO WAS THE AUDIO, GOOD JOB GUY WHO MADE THAT.

can i go home now?

At 11/2/11 08:43 PM, FBIpolux wrote: I'm pretty sure he ... took every constructive review... up... the... asshole, and ...shit ... the internet.

Deal with it mother fucker.

...Evil-Dog spends his spare time taking a shit on some kids ... boo-hoo, cry me a river.

A NEW CHALLENGER APPROACHES.

Why do you even bother posting? You're making him look like an even bigger dick by association. At least he defends himself remotely humanely. You're just a straight up asshole.

I guess the new topic of this thread is FBIpolux is a dick.

At 11/2/11 07:48 PM, beccaroni wrote: I would like to say that I am a good friend of Evil-Dog, henceforth referred to as ED. I have known ED for quite a while now, and I have to say that lately he is slipping. It is getting more and more difficult to get him up when the time comes. I think ED must be depressed because he lost his job at UBISOFT due to his flaccidity. If only he had stuck with his courses in high school, he would have gained the necessary skills to keep his job at UBISOFT instead of flipping burgers in the mornings and programming games alone in his basement at night.

Haha that's pretty hilarious
And why are you hating on me, I haven't done anything to you haha then people say I'm the dick

Wow, some real venom in this place.

Look, I've removed the review, since the OP of this topic seems to be hell bent on mounting a crusade against various games, while also reaming off negative and useless comments, while trying to pass them off as reviews.

I'll make people's lives easier and just remove them.

Evil-Dog, as a non-developer, I will always struggle to appreciate the amount of time, effort and pure graft that goes into creating your games. Kind of how some people will never realise the effort that goes into being creative generally.

At the end of the day, opinion is subjective and if we're going to be negative, we should always try to curb it towards constructive criticism, i.e. the parts that allow developers such as yourself to improve your content, as opposed to "this was shit, I prefer MLP!" Everyone must realise that they have a back button on their browser and if they really detest a piece that much, they should employ this, rather than ramming an opinion down the throats of the watching public via reviews, threads on the BBS or any other media outlet.

For the record, I quite like Lab of the Dead, though I wish you'd branch out to something other than zombies :P This has nothing to do with my stance on this thread.

Also, hi Tom!

At 11/2/11 08:58 PM, FBIpolux wrote: I care. So much. What you think. Why don't you go do something constructive?

Okay maybe we started on the wrong foot.

Listen, I'm your mentor. You might not know it, but you're a hero. The call of the adventure might've not been issued yet, but it will be one day. Here's my advice: stand up. Get off the internet. Jump off the window.

Although I sympathize for your intense emotional bond with ED, there's a pill for that.

At 11/2/11 08:43 PM, FBIpolux wrote: Also this isn't your classroom, where everyone has to respect each other. I can tell you to go eat a rotten hot dog with your asshole, and I don't give a shit if you don't accept getting verbally abused. This is the internet.

This is true...just expect to receive what you put out.

And again, when you'll make a game, a film, a book, a shit, a whatever, and that you sell more than five copies, you'll get the right to start whining.

Fuck off with this shit. Just because one does not produce a movie, film, book, etc. doesn't mean that they aren't entitled to an opinion.

At 11/2/11 09:06 PM, Coop wrote: Wow, some real venom in this place.

Look, I've removed the review, since the OP of this topic seems to be hell bent on mounting a crusade against various games, while also reaming off negative and useless comments, while trying to pass them off as reviews.

I'll make people's lives easier and just remove them.

The only one that I regretted after a response was for the Korean who had English as a second language. Their memories will live on.

At 11/2/11 07:05 PM, FBIpolux wrote: He used to be a programmer at Ubisoft, working his ass off on some crappy games like Splinter Cell or Assassin's Creed.

i dont know about this lab of the dead shit but i can say with a fair amount of confidence that it's better than spinter cell or assassin's creed

If you had the potential to make games that attracts millions of players, wouldn't you like to reply frankly to the 14 years old critics who will end up working in a McDonalds after not getting their high school diplomas?

no

if i was capable of producing art on that caliber i would be aware of it and secure in my personal talents and skills to the point where a negative comment by a 14 year old is meaningless to my ego and i don't even have to acknowledge it. i don't care either way, i thought the game was fine. i just think it's kind of petty that a game developer on evil-dog's level would actually go out of his way to give a shit about a few negative comments when it's like 95% praise.

also i want to say something to tom but it's hard to hate on a guy for really liking what he's created. i guess that kind of relates to evil-dog too.

No one critiquing his flash meant to insult Evil-Dog or incite the Hitleric vows on his grandmothers grave or whatever. I'm seeing a lot more rage from one camp: the author and his friends

Because you guys know him personally, he's depressed whatever blah blah you think that means everyone else should expect special treatment. To the people reviewing he's just the author, they're offering their views on the flash. Some bad, yeah, but hey guess what the whistle feature is for?

you should be happy, lab of the dead has a 4.44 score and has been up on the front page for obnoxiously long. i played it got addicted to it for a few hours and i don't think it deserves the score but i'm not gonna get mad about it

just because some people leave a review after you've been PMSing for weeks doesn't mean you should flip a shit. yeah, you were a dick, you should acknowdedge that. and yeah, a lot of people were dicks to you, but this is the internet. Deal. You don't even have to look at the reviews- you already got like a thousand

@FBI-polux: you are the perfect example of what not to do. i'm amazed someone whos been on the BBS for 8 years still thinks spamming fuck you and other curse words and death words and whatnot is a good thing to reply

At 11/2/11 07:05 PM, FBIpolux wrote: First off, Evil-Dog, the author of Lab of the Dead, is a good friend of mine.

He used to be a programmer at Ubisoft, working his ass off on some crappy games like Splinter Cell or Assassin's Creed. He quit, since he had genius game ideas, and decided to start making games on his own, with SickDeadFiend. He now works his ass off on his games, by himself, and doesn't really care about what YOU think.

Ye that's the kind of attitude you need, especially if you plan to make any money for your work.

"The consumers don't like my product? WHAT HAVE THEY EVER DONE WITH THEIR LIVES HUH!?"

At 11/2/11 09:52 PM, Sanch wrote: @FBI-polux: you are the perfect example of what not to do. i'm amazed someone whos been on the BBS for 8 years still thinks spamming fuck you and other curse words and death words and whatnot is a good thing to reply

I feel that I was having similar thoughts; seems like FBI needs to drop his internet tough guise...

...and Ya know though It really is frustrating that on a site with so many users, where you would think that the older/respected users on the forums would talk to users rationally and helpfully, and instead you have to just read shit like some posts. /le sigh

hehhehehehakjehfjakw

Either way, I'm always glad for the existence of people who carry negative traits. I can easily recognize which qualities I don't want to embody myself!! bHhaha

At 11/2/11 10:24 AM, TomFulp wrote: It really is frustrating that on a site with so much content, where you would think people on the forums would be talking about cool stuff they found, instead you have to just read shit like this.

Tom makes an excellent point, that everyone should take note of

:Tom posted my life is complete

This is NEWGROUNDS. I certainly hope I'm not the only one who notices the assholes that frequently decide to flood the General forum with spam and offensive, childish pornography. We should all know that Newgrounds has a NUMEROUS population of trolls on it.

There are users out there who might play/watch something on the site for a couple of seconds, then write a blatantly unintelligent review solely based on their initial experience of the submission. Some can suddenly decide they just don't like someone and blam out of spite. I've done it. I'm sure many of you have done it, too. It just works that way. For whatever reason, people can get butthurt or angry, and do stupid things. If we didn't occasionally do or say things we don't really think about, we wouldn't be human.

I don't understand what's to get all worked up about. It's just a natural fact of life.

At 11/3/11 12:01 AM, Morph94 wrote: This is NEWGROUNDS... assholes...flood the General forum with spam and ...child... pornography...

There are users out there who might play... for... seconds, then write... unintelligent review s...
I ...'s... all worked up...

Well, this thread was originally intended to point out something that was obstructing honest critique of a popular flash game. The creator of a flash can say quite harsh things to reviewers with no chance of rebut.

When you're in the spot light, you really need to be professional else you will incite the anger and contempt of otherwise would-be fans.

At 11/3/11 05:04 PM, logic wrote:

At 11/2/11 07:05 PM, FBIpolux wrote: He used to be a programmer at Ubisoft, working his ass off on some crappy games like Splinter Cell or Assassin's Creed.

If Splinter Cell and Assassin's Creed ( Mainstream retail games ) are crappy than lab of the dead must be a steaming pile of rotten horse shit.

Logic's logic is logical in this comparison.

From what I've seen, the review responses are on par with the reviews themselves. People pile on the negative comments about things they disliked to justify their unfairly low rating, yet they fail to mention what's actually GOOD about the game. I'd say that the artwork, animation, presentation, and overall creativity put into Lab of the Dead are all great. Good luck to anybody trying to argue that. So is it fair to give the game a 1 or 3 out of 10 and rant about how you didn't like the absence of a "skip animation" option? It's only one aspect. If it's that bothersome, don't play the game. The authors didn't make you fork over 20 bucks or anything.

If I spent months making a song and received mounds of negative reviews complaining about one little thing they didn't like, I'd probably get annoyed too. (Although I make an effort to keep all of my responses positive, no matter how ignorant the reviewer may be lol)

So yeah, I know this point has already been made. As a contributor to the site, I just thought I'd get my opinion in :)

If someone leaves a review saying "I don't like it" the author will leave a comment along the lines of "What a good piece of constructive criticism /sarcasm" That's fair enough as the review didn't give any reasoning as to why he doesn't like it.
BUT there are always lots of reviews that say "10/10 this was great!" and the author won't complain about the lack of content in those review. He only complains about it in the negative ones.
It shouldn't matter if a review is negative or positive as long as the justify the reasons they liked/hated it.

I think it was a pretty cool game, and it was pretty obvious that Evil-Dog put a ton of work into it. But in my opinion it not really a great game, but I'm not saying it's horrible either. I just think it needs a better ending, and less repetitiveness that will eat your soul. It's up to you if you want to disregard my opinion, and I'm cool with that.

But you can at least not try to rage about things like these.

At 11/2/11 10:24 AM, TomFulp wrote: It really is frustrating that on a site with so much content, where you would think people on the forums would be talking about cool stuff they found, instead you have to just read shit like this.

He has a point and yet it's crap? It's true, a lot of 0 bombing assholes deserve dickish remarks. But this may not occur to someone who doesn't write any "good" reviews but having someone be a dick to a serious review is like a slap in the face. "Alright, I wrote this nice long review giving my critisicm that I was typing for like 5 minutes straight and put a lot of thought into, time to see if it got responded to...." *SMACK in the Face*

It's not a pretty feeling just because some someone writes something bad about their shit and instead of, you know, learning from it, they get all defensive about it and treat your review like shit. That's a dick move.

tl;dr Get over yourself Tom, he's got a point.

At 11/2/11 01:50 PM, Ef-X wrote:

At 11/2/11 10:24 AM, TomFulp wrote: It really is frustrating that on a site with so much content, where you would think people on the forums would be talking about cool stuff they found, instead you have to just read shit like this.

umadbro?

more better with pic

Some people just have a harder time taking criticism.
I myself didn't mind the game.

It's too bad that the authors would act like that, because it's a really good game, but I guess because of that, it would be hard to understand why someone would not like it. At least it's not the worst thing I've seen. I know a lot of people who will make really low quality flashes and they will simply swear at the reviewer even though those works are bad. I guess some people can't take criticism, and it's too bad they can't.

Not defending the author, but after going through reading most those reviews, trying to address problems, he probably just gives up trying to please people. Specifically the people who don't have the same taste in games as him.

Personally I was just playing for the animations, I can see the point of view from most the negative response. Its hard to keep you hooked at most times, having to put alot of effort into it for reward.

But hey, you cant deny theres some good effort to be found in there.

At 11/3/11 08:57 PM, HollowedPumkinz wrote:

At 11/2/11 10:24 AM, TomFulp wrote: It really is frustrating that on a site with so much content, where you would think people on the forums would be talking about cool stuff they found, instead you have to just read shit like this.

He has a point and yet it's crap?...
tl;dr Get over yourself Tom, he's got a point.

Tom, nobody in their right mind would reply to one of your honest reviews like you were cabbage.

Surely, you should consider how many people have agreed and stood up here with calm, rational minds and honest frustration. This is our only rebut.

I may have been banned from commenting on videos for making this post, but it was worth it to speak out.

Being kind and understanding is no way to get ahead. Neither is taking criticism well.

I enjoyed Lab of the Dead. My only problem was the lack of an ending. When I defeat a game I like to see somthing. A cut scene or at least Good job you won.

At 11/2/11 10:24 AM, TomFulp wrote: It really is frustrating that on a site with so much content, where you would think people on the forums would be talking about cool stuff they found, instead you have to just read shit like this.

Yeah its pretty fucked up that people are on here making specific, well-reasoned criticisms about things. What the hell do they think this is, some kind of site where you can review stuff?

It seem your being a litte dick-ish?