Al Queda and the taliban different?

[MrPercie]

I know these two are different groups and all but how much so do they vary?

both radical islamists (im told) as they fight with violence because of what they believe and that kind of shit. But is al queda the terroist organisation that does all the attacks on different nations like the US, UK turkey, iraq with them beheading people n stuff while the taliban are just the afghanistan islamists defending against invaders?

Have both commited their own atrocities or would the taliban be considered the more tolerable one or something as I heard a ton of the afghans were ex taliban fighters from the war against russia but some ally themselves with the americans or just dont fight and there are peace talks with the taliban while there would be no getting through to al queda.

Im just wondering as I have watched some of "those" videos on youtube which showed reporters actually meeting the taliban who were fighting the americans but it makes out the taliban are very nice chaps and the yanks as bunch foriegn devils n shit in afghanistan for oil and money. Then one of the commenters makes an asshole response to one of the americans defending the involvement in afghanistan but I cant support him because I dont know if all this bad talk about the taliban I have heard was because I mistaken the bad attacks of the taliban for something al queada or a completely different extremist group did.

if TL;DR, Whos worse, Taliban or Al Queda or are they the same.

[StCyril]

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[Oliver]

WHAT MATTERS IS THAT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT FROM AMERICANS SO THEREFORE THEY ARE EVIL.

[Dogbert581]

Al Queda are a very small organisation. Their main role at the moment is logistics, they supply the weapons/funding to other terrorist groups from them to carry out attacks.

The Taliban is a completely separate organisation to Al Queda, (although they have benefited from Al Queda support before). The organisation and structure of the Taliban is extremely complicated to explain, my friend wrote his dissertation on the Afghan conflict, and even he can't explain in fully.

[Lorkas]

Like some dude above me said, it's hard to explain.

[Emma]

One is a terrorist organization and the other is a renegade CIA operation parading around as if it was a terrorist organization.

Both are irrelevant to the world.

[MrPercie]

At 11/1/11 02:11 PM, Lorkas wrote: Like some dude above me said, it's hard to explain.

So people are dieing and no ones smart enough to explain why?

fuck me this is why I hate politics.

[Lorkas]

At 11/1/11 02:17 PM, MrPercie wrote:

At 11/1/11 02:11 PM, Lorkas wrote: Like some dude above me said, it's hard to explain.

So people are dieing and no ones smart enough to explain why?

fuck me this is why I hate politics.

Yeah. It's hard.

[Teddyriffic]

Fuck it, we'll take oil from all of them !

[NeutralObjections]

At 11/1/11 12:59 PM, Oliver wrote: WHAT MATTERS IS THAT THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT FROM AMERICANS SO THEREFORE THEY ARE EVIL.

What you did there...

I see it.

[Dogbert581]

At 11/1/11 02:17 PM, MrPercie wrote:

At 11/1/11 02:11 PM, Lorkas wrote: Like some dude above me said, it's hard to explain.

So people are dieing and no ones smart enough to explain why?

fuck me this is why I hate politics.

Ok, I will give you an extremely basic version based on what I know...

The Taliban can generally be broken down into three groups. First, you have the religious extremists/fanatics. These were the ones who were responsible for the strict religious laws placed on Afghanistan when the Taliban was in power. They made up the vast majority of Taliban soldiers in the early days of the war in Afghanistan. However, nowadays they are all but wiped out, the only religious extremists who remain in the Taliban are in the high positions.

Second group consists of mercanaries. Thye have no strong political or religious affiliation and are just fighting for the Taliban because they pay them the most. If coalition forces offered them more money they would fight for the coalition. A lot of these are ex Mujahadeen (trained by CIA), however there are foreign mercenaries trained by different states (eg Iran, Russia etc). These mercanaries were recruited to replace the core Taliban members who were all but wiped out in the early stage of the war. This is the reason the war has heightened in intensity these past few years. Due to their military training, these guys are responsible for the vast majority of coalition military deaths.

Third group is probably the hardest to categorise. A lot of them consist of ordinary Aghans who have no real connection to the war. Sometimes they might be motivated by patriotic or nationalistic beliefs (rid Afghanistan of foreign powers). However, often they are motivated purely by day to day concerns - eg you are having a feud with another family, they support the British so you support the Taliban; or simply out of fear - eg they will support whoever happens to be the dominent force in their local area be it Taliban or ISAF. These guys are often the ones who will be forced into doing the suicide attacks, and are responsible for the majority of civilian deaths attributed to the Taliban.

[Dogbert581]

At 11/1/11 02:59 PM, Dogbert581 wrote:

At 11/1/11 02:17 PM, MrPercie wrote:

At 11/1/11 02:11 PM, Lorkas wrote: Like some dude above me said, it's hard to explain.

So people are dieing and no ones smart enough to explain why?

fuck me this is why I hate politics.

Ok, I will give you an extremely basic version based on what I know...

That was just a very simplistic version of who belongs to the Taliban, there can often be other factors to take into consideration such as tribal loyalty

Double Post be damned we need an edit button

[MrPercie]

At 11/1/11 03:01 PM, Dogbert581 wrote: That was just a very simplistic version of who belongs to the Taliban, there can often be other factors to take into consideration such as tribal loyalty

just a few other questions if you can answer.

if the main sole of the taliban are mercs, surely the US army could just pay them to stop fighting or something. All that money spend on military equipment n stuff could just be given to the enemy to stop fighting when yer think about it.

and what about bin laden, was he one of the leaders of al queada or the taliban as I dont particualy know. aswell as these other key leaders of the taliban with multiple news sources claiming may have or have not been killed, are these the radical's you were talking about so by killing the headman, the hole thing falls apart.

Also something else is that a lot of opium comes from afghanistan but is this drug illegal or at least by american law thats why the taliban allow the locals to grow opium while the americans wouldnt let them. Im not too sure what the hell opium is anyway other than its very expensive and bad n shit but then what drug isnt.

[Idiot-Finder]

At 11/1/11 02:17 PM, MrPercie wrote:

At 11/1/11 02:11 PM, Lorkas wrote: Like some dude above me said, it's hard to explain.

So people are dieing and no ones smart enough to explain why?

fuck me this is why I hate politics.

And to make it worse there are conspiracy nut jobs popping up, it tells you something.

[Scarface]

At 11/1/11 03:43 PM, Idiot-Finder wrote: And to make it worse there are conspiracy nut jobs popping up, it tells you something.

Al Queda is secretly run by the American government!

lolololol bullshit.

[MaartenC]

I thought they stopped making music a long time ago.

[Bolo]

The way I understand it, the main difference between the groups is their aspirations. Al Qaeda, being a terrorist organization, seeks to tear down opposition structures and governments. Yet, Al Qaeda is not equipped to create anything out of the ashes and rubble that they generate by destroying institutions they hate. The Taliban is more of the creation and maintenance arm of radical Islam, which it seems to me is the part of the system that builds up governments and imposes laws and theocracies to support the ideology for which Al Qaeda is apparently fighting.

[Lumber-Jax12]

Even though I may not have a wide knowledge on this subject, I believe common sense would be enough to say they probably don't have merc's. I mean after all it's Afghanistan, their GDP most be in the millions. I don't think that's the case or else these soldiers would be fighting for us, if money was the issue.

And I always thought the difference was, Al Qaeda is more of a 'global' message, in that it's trains it's members to be all over the globe and with every muslim whose objective is to bring down the 'west' or further their 'jihad'. While the Taliban were just patriotic-tribals who banded together to further the tribe and simply push the foreigners out of Afghanistan.

Again I'm no expert or claim to be If Im wrong some one point me out and I'll make sure to correct in the future.

[Boss]

those planes couldnt have destroyed the twin towers

u r all BLIND

[Emma]

At 11/1/11 03:51 PM, MaartenC wrote: I thought they stopped making music a long time ago.

Looks like the Ku Klux Kortet

[Rivergrey]

At 11/1/11 03:51 PM, MaartenC wrote: I thought they stopped making music a long time ago.

It's a good thing I'm not a mod, else you'd be Tali-banned for that corny joke there. :3

[MaartenC]

At 11/1/11 04:08 PM, Rivergrey wrote:

At 11/1/11 03:51 PM, MaartenC wrote: I thought they stopped making music a long time ago.

It's a good thing I'm not a mod, else you'd be Tali-banned for that corny joke there. :3

I just had to.

[Dogbert581]

At 11/1/11 03:35 PM, MrPercie wrote:

At 11/1/11 03:01 PM, Dogbert581 wrote: That was just a very simplistic version of who belongs to the Taliban, there can often be other factors to take into consideration such as tribal loyalty

just a few other questions if you can answer.

if the main sole of the taliban are mercs, surely the US army could just pay them to stop fighting or something. All that money spend on military equipment n stuff could just be given to the enemy to stop fighting when yer think about it.

They could pay them to stop fighting. However, all the Taliban need to do is pay them more money and the mercs will join them again only this time the mercs will be able to teach Taliban fighters American military tactics, hence why ISAF are unwilling to use them.

and what about bin laden, was he one of the leaders of al queada or the taliban as I dont particualy know. aswell as these other key leaders of the taliban with multiple news sources claiming may have or have not been killed, are these the radical's you were talking about so by killing the headman, the hole thing falls apart.

Bin Laden was a leader of Al Queda. After 9/11 he was in Afghanistan and the Taliban (who were then the rulers of Afghanistan) refused American requests to hand him over thus starting the war. Effectively since the fall from power of the Taliban, they and Al Qaeda have been operating as separate groups. Many of the people you hear referred to on the news as being killed are AQ leaders

Also something else is that a lot of opium comes from afghanistan but is this drug illegal or at least by american law thats why the taliban allow the locals to grow opium while the americans wouldnt let them. Im not too sure what the hell opium is anyway other than its very expensive and bad n shit but then what drug isnt.

With Opium many farmers are effectively making (not sure of exact figures) approximately 70x more money than they were from crops like grain and wheat. This is allowing them to live a decent life rather than subsistence farming. This is where the 3rd category I mentioned comes in, ordinary afghans will support the Taliban as it means they can make more money through opium farming. Indeed, ISAF at the moment are pretty much turning a blind eye to opium farming as they know that destroying opium crops (and thus the livelihood of many people) would be the biggest recruitment poster for the Taliban.

[Ericho]

Woah! I had no idea that Al Queda and the Taliban were two different things! I guess they've just been used around so much I can't tell the difference. I heard that Al-Quada (from what I just searched on Google) is much larger, so it would easily be worse. Apparently, the Taliban is only in Afghanistan (then again, I did get this information from the highest rated comment on Yahoo Answers, which I don't know how reliable it is.