America is the worst country ever.

[Ranger2]

There seems to be this overall idea that everything bad in the world is caused by America, which is filled with Americans, the worst, dumbest, people in the world.

I completely agree. Let's take a look at America's evil, bloody history.

1776: Fought a war against Britain because the British subjects refused to pay their taxes to America. Britain valiantly fought and won independence from America.

1800s: America, under President Napoleon Bonaparte, fought for the domination of all of Europe and was defeated in the Battle of Waterloo by the bold nations of Austria, Russia, and England. The bloodthirsty American Empire was defeated.

1860s-70s: In a series of wars against Austria, Denmark, and France, America gains more land for its imperial conquest. The American states unify into one American Empire, under President Bismarck, who proclaims "America Uber Alles!"

1880s: At the Washington Conference, America decides to conquer as much of Africa as it can. The brave nations of Europe try to stop American imperialism and barbarism by colonizing Africa themselves, thus preventing America from taking over the land. In order to prevent the Americans from committing acts of genocide against the Africans, the European nations do it themselves, preventing millions from being killed by American guns.

1914: America fakes the death of Secretary of State Franz Ferdinand, giving it an excuse to present Serbia with an ultimatum: be occupied or death. American then mobilizes against Russia and invades Belgium to get to France. President Wilhelm II declares war on the Allied powers, including France, Russia, and Britain. WWI begins.

1917: The Allied Powers discover the Zimmerman telegram, an American plot to get Mexico in on WWI on the side of the Central Powers. It fails, and only provokes more nations into the war against America.

1918: America is defeated in WWI.

1939: America, under President Hitler, invades Poland, France, Belgium, the Netherlands, the Soviet Union, Norway, Luxembourg, and receives help from its allies Italy and Japan. America also kills 6 million Jews because it is evil like that.

1945: Somehow winning and losing WWII, America occupies Eastern Europe for 50 years, builds the Berlin Wall, and causes the Iron curtain to fall over Europe. The West is left to itself and there is no barrier against communism and totalitarianism.

1980s: Somebody asks America to tear down the Berlin Wall. He is ignored.

1990s: America does absolutely nothing to invent the Internet.

1995: Some guy who is defintely not American invented Newgrounds.

2001: America flies planes into buildings all around the world in the name of terrorism.

All of the above is completely true. America is to blame for absolutely everything, right guys? Look at all the evil America did. America is always to blame for everything in the world, right? Europe never did anything bad, it was all America.

[lapis]

At 10/31/11 11:39 AM, Ranger2 wrote: There seems to be this overall idea that everything bad in the world is caused by America

Well, maybe among 13-year-olds, otherwise no, not really. Which, of course, makes the very premise of your thread just as juvenile and idiotic as the rest of the text in your post.

[lapis]

At 10/31/11 11:39 AM, Ranger2 wrote: 1860s-70s: In a series of wars against Austria, Denmark, and France, America gains more land for its imperial conquest. The American states unify into one American Empire, under President Bismarck, who proclaims "America Uber Alles!"

If we actually want to get something out of this thread, then this bit seems to be the only thing that's remotely debatable. How was Germany's annexation of Alsace-Lorraine, Schleswig and whatever they took from Austria bad? For as far as I know, all the lands that they took were inhabited by German-speaking peoples, so from a Nationalist point of view they belonged in a unified Germany. And the only thing wrong about the statement "America über Alles!" is that it's in German, I think I've on more than one occasion heard American politicians, especially Republicans, argue that the US is indeed better than all other countries.

[bcdemon]

The USA has a LAW that states that if the Palestinians are allowed into any part of the UN, then the USA HAS TO CUT-OFF FUNDS to the group.
That's indicative of the "worst country ever", right?

Palestine was voted into UNESCO today.

[SolInvictus]

U.S. of America is best America!

[lapis]

At 10/31/11 01:38 PM, bcdemon wrote: The USA has a LAW that states that if the Palestinians are allowed into any part of the UN, then the USA HAS TO CUT-OFF FUNDS to the group.

I did not yet know of the law before I read about it today, but it should be no surprise as the Congress of the US in completely in the pocket of the AIPAC with no significant political counterweight to balance out the American pro-Israel sycophancy. Remember the statehood bid at the GA about a month ago?

"Congress itself remains a bastion of pro-Israel sentiment, as witnessed by numerous recent threats to block $50m (£33m) in aid to the Palestinian Authority if it continues its pursuit of UN membership.

Not for the first time, Congress seemed to go too far, even for the government of Israel. According to the New York Times, the State Department enlisted the help of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in urging members of Congress not to block the aid. Such a move, it was feared, could jeopardise essential Palestinian police training, with damaging effects on Israeli security. (...)

Over the summer, more than 80 members of Congress, from both parties, visited Israel. Members have been falling over themselves to introduce supposedly pro-Israel legislation, including a resolution endorsing Israel's right to annex the West Bank - proposed by a Republican - and a move to cut off military aid to any country supporting the Palestinian bid for UN membership, sponsored by a Democrat."

It got even worse after some ECI-backed candidate managed to wrest a district that had been held by the Democrats since the twenties from their grip by running on an "Obama hates Israel" platform, with Republican presidential hopefuls Mitt "Obama threw Israel under the bus" Romney and Rick "Obama's policy towards the Palestinian Authority is one of appeasement" Perry fighting over how they can inflate Obama's call to *drums beating* base the borders of a Palestinian state on the pre-1967 border *gasping silence fills the room* to a fratricide of Shakespearean proportions. Can you imagine US politicians championing the cause of, say, the Armenians in such a way? It's amazing what a little money can buy you. Ah well, maybe more than just a little.

[AKACCMIOF]

Wow, another America is the best/ worst country ever thread. Its not like we had a billion of these already.

[Scarface]

At 10/31/11 11:59 AM, lapis wrote: Well, maybe among 13-year-olds, otherwise no, not really. Which, of course, makes the very premise of your thread just as juvenile and idiotic as the rest of the text in your post.

Well, there are many people from other countries (many only dumbass 13-year-olds, yes, but I digress) that think Americans as a whole are stupid, obese, war-hungry, and self-righteous.

[Warforger]

Yah I'm guessing at best it's nationalistic ego, once they see all these American military in Europe along with a shitload of American products along with American style governments being created than people start getting their ego's attacked. I mean it's not as though America has done anything that has pissed the Western world off that all the other countries in the West didn't already support and if anything get involved in more.

At 10/31/11 04:52 PM, AKACCMIOF wrote: Wow, another America is the best/ worst country ever thread. Its not like we had a billion of these already.

It's a parody thread......

[All-American-Badass]

At 10/31/11 11:59 AM, lapis wrote:

At 10/31/11 11:39 AM, Ranger2 wrote: There seems to be this overall idea that everything bad in the world is caused by America

Well, maybe among 13-year-olds.

It all makes sense, Micheal More and Nancy pelosi are 13 year olds.

[Gustavos]

Normally I'd laugh at the psuedo satirical humor in this thread, but I'm really not feeling it. I mean, how can we be patriotic about a country that is made out of literally every demographic that exists in the world (except North Koreans, who are apparently incapable of legal emigration)?

[Riott]

At 10/31/11 11:39 AM, Ranger2 wrote: I completely agree. Let's take a look at America's evil, bloody history.

All I can say that no matter WHERE you live, your country has some sort of corruption and is "evil" and "bloody".

[Camarohusky]

Ranger,

The irony and satire of your OP is lost in the blatant cherry picking of world events over a long period of time.

If you had kept it limited to 1 country, or perhaps to a short period of time in world history (outside of a massive war) the point would have been much more poignant. As it stands, this seems like a weak attempt to respond to nothing specific by cherry picking very few bad acts of others over a very long period of time, to absolve, or deflect whatever we may have done as just one nation in that same span.

The point isn't a bad one, but you're trying to whittle with a chansaw here... (metaphorically)

[lapis]

At 11/1/11 01:01 AM, Camarohusky wrote: The point isn't a bad one,

What is the point? I think that's an even more fundamental problem than the argument. The point seems to be to disprove that "everything bad in the world is caused by America", as stated in the first sentence. Accordingly, the counterargument is a list of references to world events that were bad and were not caused by America. However, the point itself is a completely open door; no one with some marginal level or maturity or intelligence believes that everything bad in the world was caused by America, and there's no reasonable counterargument possible. So here's a short list of other points that could be made:

A) Everything bad in the world is indeed caused by America, but America also causes some good things every now and then.
B) The amount of good things caused by America is greater than the amount of bad things caused by America.
C) Taking all good things and bad things into account, America compares slightly disfavourably to similar countries like France, Britain and Germany (since year XXXX?).
D) Taking all good things and bad things into account, America compares about equally to similar countries like France, Britain and Germany (since year XXXX?).
E) Taking all good things and bad things into account, America compares favourably to similar countries like France, Britain and Germany (since year XXXX?).
F) Things in the world caused by America have always been good things.
G) A world event is good if and only if it has been caused by America.

I personally think D) is the fairest to argue, but even then not every narrow list suffices. For example, in Ranger's list no mention is made of things that were bad but that were actually caused by America, like the Trail of Tears, its policy towards blacks that basically amounted to apartheid or the Mexican-American War (which was just as bad as the Franco-Prussian war). Given space and time constraints, maybe for all four countries you'd have to select the three best things they've caused and the three worst things they've caused since 1775 and then compare. But that's just a suggestion.

[Ranger2]

At 11/1/11 01:01 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

If you had kept it limited to 1 country, or perhaps to a short period of time in world history (outside of a massive war) the point would have been much more poignant. As it stands, this seems like a weak attempt to respond to nothing specific by cherry picking very few bad acts of others over a very long period of time, to absolve, or deflect whatever we may have done as just one nation in that same span.

The point isn't a bad one, but you're trying to whittle with a chansaw here... (metaphorically)

I wanted to satirize the idea that everything in the world was caused by America. So I told how America is responsible for WWI, WWII, Napoleon, and the thunderstorm last week, because it seems to me that there are a lot of people here whose gut reaction is "America did it!" I was mocking them. I wasn't trying to say "Hey America has done some bad, but look at what other people did too."

[Ranger2]

At 11/1/11 04:44 AM, lapis wrote:

At 11/1/11 01:01 AM, Camarohusky wrote: The point isn't a bad one,

What is the point? I think that's an even more fundamental problem than the argument. The point seems to be to disprove that "everything bad in the world is caused by America",

That really wasn't my point. I was mocking those whose gut reaction to any problem is "blame America." I wasn't trying to disprove anything; I was just showing how overboard all of this anti-American sentiment is.

[lapis]

At 11/1/11 01:06 PM, Ranger2 wrote: That really wasn't my point. I was mocking those whose gut reaction to any problem is "blame America." I wasn't trying to disprove anything; I was just showing how overboard all of this anti-American sentiment is.

You know, if you had in your first post given one example of an actual BBS post (from General for all I care) or a youtube comment or whatever in which somebody blames America for something bad and then explained why this blame is undeserved in order to make a general point about people being too quick to rally against America then it would have looked so much stronger than what you have now. I mean, something must have triggered you to make this thread, right? Or were you just looking to start a flame fest? You call it satire, but one might also call it trolling, especially given the topic title. Just my 2 cents, though.

[Ranger2]

At 11/1/11 02:36 PM, lapis wrote: You know, if you had in your first post given one example of an actual BBS post (from General for all I care)

What about "Americans: Evil or Ignorant?"

[lapis]

At 11/1/11 04:44 PM, Ranger2 wrote: What about "Americans: Evil or Ignorant?"

Well, I'll cosign to the sentiment expressed by Jizzlebang in the fourth post of said thread that it "must be the dumbest or trolliest topic ...evah." Three pages in and it's dead obvious that the OP's a troll. And how did that thread trigger you? Unless posts got deleted it's been dead for almost two months.

[MultiCanimefan]

Liberal here, brilliant satire.

[lapis]

At 11/1/11 04:44 PM, Ranger2 wrote:

Hmmm, now that I think about it, I guess it was you whom I snapped at in that 9/11 topic two months ago. I'm sorry if there seems to be a pattern emerging. Now, I will admit that America gets more flak on the Internet than what is fully warranted, which is something that could be parodied. If that was one of the main ideas behind your thread then I can sympathise with that. Regarding the execution, on the other hand, I stand by what I wrote in this thread, although I guess the tone could have been less hostile.

[BrocoliClock]

Wrong. America is the greatest country EVER! Gotta love America. IT'S A FREE COUNTRY!

[Solisio]

This thread is a waste. Honestly, do you think it's going to make any difference? Most people don't think America is some terrible place, in fact, they think we're the bees knees.

[Camarohusky]

At 11/2/11 02:34 AM, Solisio wrote: This thread is a waste. Honestly, do you think it's going to make any difference? Most people don't think America is some terrible place, in fact, they think we're the bees knees.

Don't mistake others' view of our culture as the same as their view of our people and our country.

A lot of Americans sure think Chinese culture is hot shit (Enter the Dragon, anyone?) but do they like China? Not so much.

[armaggedon21]

Although you are being ironic...i DO blame America for everything :)

[Mattylew]

At 10/31/11 11:39 AM, Ranger2 wrote:

All of the above is completely true. America is to blame for absolutely everything, right guys? Look at all the evil America did. America is always to blame for everything in the world, right? Europe never did anything bad, it was all America.

What about what happened in Norway 22. july? That is not America's fault.. Or was it sarcasm? Suck at telling the difference over the internet :S

[Camarohusky]

At 10/31/11 11:39 AM, Ranger2 wrote: All of the above is completely true. America is to blame for absolutely everything, right guys? Look at all the evil America did. America is always to blame for everything in the world, right? Europe never did anything bad, it was all America.

You hate it now, but how will you feel when no one blames the US for anything? Me thinks when those come you'll be yearning for the good old days when America was so great that everyone had to tear us down.

[morefngdbs]

At 11/2/11 02:30 AM, BrocoliClock wrote: Wrong. America is the greatest country EVER! Gotta love America. IT'S A FREE COUNTRY!

;;;;
Best description of the REAL AMERIKA I have read in awhile.
deny it all you want.
Nothing but the truth, plain & to the point of what is going on & is wrong with Amerika today .
http://lewrockwell.com/roberts/roberts33 0.html

I cannot articulate how much this travesty upsets me

[kakalxlax]

you forgot to add:

america has the best medical insurance of the world

americans arre the slimest persons in the world

america is not controlled by corporations

[joe9320]

Well in the 1980's, the US funded guerrilla groups to fight against Communism. USA also had the tendency to overthrow democratically elected presidents in other countries that pose no harm whatsoever. For example, that Salvador guy was president of Chile. He was a good person who did not annoyed America. And because he was left-wing, he was overthrown and replaced by Pinochet, who started torturing anyone who does not agree with his policies.

Even America supported Marcos and Suharto. So, America is pretty much of a mixed bag.