New review system?

[NickTravers]

I'm really sick of people who trach entries and have done no work themselves. Ive been kicking a few ideas around such as only letting people who have contributed flash to the portal write reviews, but that wouldn't work and would push people away. However, if you have no submissions, a note should be made automaticaly in the review to flag it. Also, a text box with greater limitation could be used. I know that implementing this would be near-impossible, but does anybody else think its a good idea to restrict those who have contributed nothing?

[jonthomson]

At 5/5/04 05:02 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: I'm really sick of people who trach entries and have done no work themselves.

They created a flash series on Newgrounds specially for people like you. Do a quick search for "You Are A Fucking Moron".

[mikethepod]

My real problem is the people who haven't done any Flash themselves, and in their reviews they call me "faggit" and tell me to "go hang myself". But you can just mark that stuff as abusive and it all works itself out eventually. Plus... the people with no Flash who do nothing but talk shit get no respect here anyway, other than from their dumb little buddies who go along for the ride.

[poxpower]

At 5/5/04 05:02 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: but does anybody else think its a good idea to restrict those who have contributed nothing?

a lot of people do share that point of view, unfortunately, they are mostly idiots.
If you restrict the voters and reviewers that way, you'll soon see a huge decrease in votes and views and everything else that makes NG so big.

[Cryptic]

I'm working on my first flash as we speak.

So I'll be contributing. =)

[NickTravers]

At 5/5/04 05:09 PM, jonthomson wrote:

At 5/5/04 05:02 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: I'm really sick of people who trach entries and have done no work themselves.

They created a flash series on Newgrounds specially for people like you. Do a quick search for "You Are A Fucking Moron".

howabout you explain why you think im a moron. This is a perfectly logical idea and would reward submitters. Do you think people with no flash expirience know how much work went into something? Probably not. I have yet to check, but you might just be bitter about this because you have submitted nothing, so ill check right now

[ref]

Yeah, but not EVERYONE posts reviews that say: "GO KILL YOURSELF" and crap like that!

[jonthomson]

At 5/5/04 05:15 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: Do you think people with no flash expirience know how much work went into something?

Yep.

Protected submissions reviewed = 1500+
Shit submissions blammed = 6000+
Submissions to Newgrounds = 0

If that doesn't make me qualified to comment on your flash, I don't know what is. And yes, I have tried to use Flash.

Concentrate your hate on abusive reviewers like how mikethepod talks about, instead of just moronic blanket statements that make you look daft.

[Tremour]

Just because someone has submitted some flash work, it doesn't stop them being an idiot. I've had usuless reviews from people with B+ battling averages, it doesn't change a thing. Abusive is still abusive, regardless of who's review it is.

[Shpouiten]

I think reviews should not be rated on how much work has been done on the flash, but how the person watching it has been entertained.

[ShibbyHoboJoe]

At 5/5/04 05:09 PM, jonthomson wrote:

At 5/5/04 05:02 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: I'm really sick of people who trach entries and have done no work themselves.

They created a flash series on Newgrounds specially for people like you. Do a quick search for "You Are A Fucking Moron".

Flash by jonthomson:
- none -
<sarcasm>wow, what a surprise!</sarcasm>

[Jen-the-Great]

I think people who don't personally make flash have a lot to contribute. How many movie critics actually make movies?

When I review a flash cartoon, I can't talk about all the technical babble, but I can suggestions for improvement and my personal opinion and that's really all a review is. I definitely agree that people who review something with, "u must die faggit" are useless, but even people who make flash can be idiots.

[AntiTanner]

At 5/5/04 05:15 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: Do you think people with no flash expirience know how much work went into something? Probably not.

It doesnt matter how much work you put into something. If you spend weeks on a piece of crap its still a piece of crap. Its the final product that counts.

[Afro-Ninja]

I just ignore asshole reviews now anyway. What do they even mean to me? If they hatefully bash your work it's because they wish they had a fraction of your flash ability to make their own creations. Instead they put down good movies to have their 2.5 seconds of semi-fame, before someone bumps them down with a good review

there are plenty of people who don't flash but know how much goes into it. You can't limit their say or automatically flag them for it.

[NickTravers]

How does all that make you qualified to judge flash? Ive seen surgery performed multiple times. Am i qualified to evaluate a surgeon? Il admit that many reviewers who have submitted nothing arent harsh assholes about it, but if they want to get around it, all they have to do is download the trial version and make something that doesnt suck to get full benefits.

[ChasmyrSS]

i have tried flash, barley have the attention span for it (damn ADD) what you're probably looking for tho in the review system is almost like a whistle rating, like 10/10800 movies you blammed were actually blammed, thusly, you're vote power has been removed untill you can regain a good average of at least 25%

and at the same time, people who constantly upload spam should be reprimanded, like, you have submitted 140 documents to NG and 1 of them has passed judgement, thusly you are only allowed to submit 1 file per a day, untill you're average improves.

and better yet, an animator should be abel to look at all of his reviews and all of his marks from each individual person and report them for voting 0

[fambuzle]

This is just life. Some people will like your stuff, and some wont. I personally haven't submitted anything, so obviously I am biased against blocking me from being able to review. However, the reason is that I am seeking to get better with flash, work hard and produce something that I am proud of. The only new limitations I think NG should have is that if you put in the summary of your movie or game anything along the lines of:
"This is my first flash"
"Just made this in 10 minutes"
"I am only <insert ridiculous age here>!"
"Don't Blam this!"
Or any combination of that sort. Not everyone will appreciate art, so one just has to strive to improve, or seek new audiences.

[jonthomson]

At 5/5/04 05:22 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: How does all that make you qualified to judge flash?

OK, I've gone and reviewed one of your submissions. I fully expect to see a reply like "Flash by jonthomson - none" or something moronic and abusive like that. If not, I'll just chalk another name on my hypocritical idiot list. Unless of course you admit you're wrong, in which case we all agree and can live happily ever after.

[Revolverlution]

Its good how it is now. No changes should be made.

[Afro-Ninja]

At 5/5/04 05:25 PM, ChasmyrSS wrote: i have tried flash, barley have the attention span for it (damn ADD) what you're probably looking for tho in the review system is almost like a whistle rating, like 10/10800 movies you blammed were actually blammed, thusly, you're vote power has been removed untill you can regain a good average of at least 25%

the whistle system is already linked with reviews.. but your voting power doesn't go away, you just get a shit whistle

and at the same time, people who constantly upload spam should be reprimanded, like, you have submitted 140 documents to NG and 1 of them has passed judgement, thusly you are only allowed to submit 1 file per a day, untill you're average improves.

this occurs already- if you have a low batting average and several high filesize/low scoring submissions, your upload limit is set at 2MB

and better yet, an animator should be abel to look at all of his reviews and all of his marks from each individual person and report them for voting 0

everyone can do that, not just the author. it's called "marking a review as abusive"

[NickTravers]

I would also like to point out:When I say flag, i mean like a small not next to the review that has the number of submissions of the reviewer next to it so it can be identified.

[Wasson]

I'll put this a way I've seen before;

You go to the movies and watch a movie. You have the right to like it or not. You may say "That effect was fake!" Have you make a multi-million dollar movie? No. You don't know how hard it was to make. Same with the movies on the portal. You make them for people to be judged by people.

[Cinjection]

The people who say things like that usually think that flash is reallyeasy to use when they have no idea. The people who have tried flash tend give the authors more respect because theyknow what that person had to do to make that movie or game. I never tried flash, but i have expirience in other programming so i know that making a game isn't that easy.

[AntiTanner]

At 5/5/04 05:22 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: How does all that make you qualified to judge flash? Ive seen surgery performed multiple times. Am i qualified to evaluate a surgeon?

Yes. You should be able to tell if they did a good job or not.

[Back-Door-Baron]

At 5/5/04 05:22 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: How does all that make you qualified to judge flash? Ive seen surgery performed multiple times. Am i qualified to evaluate a surgeon? Il admit that many reviewers who have submitted nothing arent harsh assholes about it, but if they want to get around it, all they have to do is download the trial version and make something that doesnt suck to get full benefits.

I've always had issues with people who take this stance. First off, most of us have worked with Flash. I love working with it; I just don't want to take the time and effort to submit something to this website. It's just a fun place to come for me, not my life.

As for evaluating a surgeon-- yes, you are 100% qualified to evaluate a surgeon. Why do you think this is a capitalistic society? You can choose your own doctor due to whether or not you think he or she is a good doctor. Plus, why do you think malpractice is so high in this country? It's because people think their doctor didn't do a good job and they sue. As long as you have watched something and know a little about it, you have a right to evaluate it. The ones who know all the nuances probably will give a clearer view on it, but that doesn't mean that the others are all idiots.

So my point overall is simple. Although not all of us have made flash, we know what's good and what's not. We have seen the FFA+'s and the Bitey's, we know what we look for in good flash. We've also seen the crap that many people submit and know what makes a bad flash. Submission of flash isn't the litmus test as to whether or not someone can review it. We've all meddled with flash and know how hard it is. And we all know what good flash is. That alone makes us qualified to leave reviews.

Think of this as being akin to sports. Do you play any sports? You may or may not have had any formal training in a sport, but you can still debate as to who's the best team and why a certain play was well done or shouldn't have been called. Don't tell me that either:
A) You don't have any opinion on anything you've never done before, or
B) You've done everything and therefore are allowed to comment on it.

Our interest in flash is the reason everyone submits in the first place-- newgrounds is a place for people to show their work to a large audience. I'm sick of saying this over and over again, but everyone here is validated in leaving their opinion. The ones who are abusive about it are banned, and life goes on.

[NickTravers]

At 5/5/04 05:31 PM, Schaft wrote: I'll put this a way I've seen before;

You go to the movies and watch a movie. You have the right to like it or not. You may say "That effect was fake!" Have you make a multi-million dollar movie? No. You don't know how hard it was to make. Same with the movies on the portal. You make them for people to be judged by people.

Yeah, but I dont say "Oh my god that sucked, they should never make anythig". From a moviegoers standpoint, it may suck, but with flash, even if you dont like the content, dont just trash it as if you could do a better job. Plus, I pay to see movies, so I can be pissed about wasting money. NG movies are free. EO's rant summarizes nicely the way i feel

[bumcheekcity]

At 5/5/04 05:18 PM, jonthomson wrote: Protected submissions reviewed = 1500+
Shit submissions blammed = 6000+
Submissions to Newgrounds = 0

If that doesn't make me qualified to comment on your flash, I don't know what is. And yes, I have tried to use Flash.

I complete agree with jontompson here. Just because you dont submit something,m doesn't mean you can't say anything about others movies. I've never made a film, but i can still come out of the cinema saying "That Sucked"

[fambuzle]

At 5/5/04 05:43 PM, FuckedEarth wrote:
Yeah, but I dont say "Oh my god that sucked, they should never make anythig".

I actually do, in the case of Vid Diesel and The Rock, and anyone involved with The Fast and The Furious

[NickTravers]

At 5/5/04 05:40 PM, yadjmir wrote:

At 5/5/04 05:22 PM, FuckedEarth wrote:

As for evaluating a surgeon-- yes, you are 100% qualified to evaluate a surgeon. Why do you think this is a capitalistic society? You can choose your own doctor due to whether or not you think he or she is a good doctor. Plus, why do you think malpractice is so high in this country? It's because people think their doctor didn't do a good job and they sue. As long as you have watched something and know a little about it, you have a right to evaluate it. The ones who know all the nuances probably will give a clearer view on it, but that doesn't mean that the others are all idiots.

Im not saying they dont have the right to evaluate it, but is it a bad thing if people know that they really dont have any qualifications. Also, if you watch someone perform surgery with no basis, you have no way to tell if it went well except for the result. With flash, shitty movies surive blam, so the result can't be that great of an indicator.

[Tremour]

At 5/5/04 05:43 PM, FuckedEarth wrote: EO's rant summarizes nicely the way i feel

Exactly. It's a free fucking site, which means anyone can join in. You can't exclude someone because they lack talent. Your not exluded from watching the olympics just because you don't have the athletic ability they do. We have review mods for a reason, to deal with this bullshit.