iMac vs PC

[ReconCraftTheta]

So currently I'm running off of an HP G60 Laptop.

Why do producers prefer macs? I know it's a stupid question, probably. But to be totally honest I'd like some opinions on the matter.
Thanks.

[Acid-Paradox]

At 10/19/11 09:49 AM, ReconCraftTheta wrote: So currently I'm running off of an HP G60 Laptop.

Why do producers prefer macs?

Because they get dragged by their fancy ads and somehow people think they are better just because the are far more expensive than a pc.

But it doesn't really matter what do you use for producing, Not only for OS , it's the same with choosing a DAW. Just make sure you choose something that makes you feel comfortable and satisfactory when it comes to producing.

[PSvils]

At 10/19/11 09:49 AM, ReconCraftTheta wrote: Why do producers prefer macs?

They don't...

[Usernamemyarse]

Dont start this.
its one of those hot-button issues that nobody really cares about but will defend to their last breath, nobody really wins, its just.... Chaos...

[Buoy]

At 10/19/11 09:49 AM, ReconCraftTheta wrote: Why do producers prefer macs? I know it's a stupid question,

You are absolutely correct! It is a stupid question for at least three reasons. First off, the premise is false, this is much like asking "why are flowers red?". Second, you are asking us to say something about the preferences of other people, which will only lead to speculation (Why did Tom Cruise become a scientologist?). And finally, you know this is a tired issue that will inevitably lead to useless answers like this (partially because of the previous reason):

At 10/19/11 09:58 AM, Acid-Paradox wrote: Because they get dragged by their fancy ads and somehow people think they are better just because the are far more expensive than a pc.

[ZStriefel]

oh god please don't start a pc vs. mac war.

It's all about preference. Computers are tools. It's just about what works best for you. I like PC, and I like Mac. Both have great things to offer. I primarily use a Mac, but thats just because I love the proprietary software. However, there's loads of stuff I prefer my PC for.

TOOLS, GENTLEMAN. THEY'RE JUST TOOLS.

[eatmeatleet]

I agree. Everyone who uses mac is a tool

[B0UNC3]

Macs suck! The only mac worth aaaaaaanything is a big mac, and that tastes like crap.

I've never used one, but the pricetag alone tells me it's probably not worth it for me.

[ZStriefel]

At 10/19/11 01:13 PM, eatmeatleet wrote: I agree. Everyone who uses mac is a tool

lewl I SEE WUT U DID THAR :U

At 10/19/11 01:14 PM, B0UNC3 wrote: Macs suck! The only mac worth aaaaaaanything is a big mac, and that tastes like crap.

I've never used one, but the pricetag alone tells me it's probably not worth it for me.

I agree that Macs are quite overpriced. You could build a PC that is twice as powerful for half the cost. It's pretty gay when you have to pay extra for "the name", but if you have the money to spend on a decent mac, you may find that the extra money is worth it to you. Personally, it all comes down to the software. I've used dozens of DAWs and none of them have stuck with me as long as Logic.

The same thing can be said about Pro Tools. People buy it simply because of the name. Granted, the version of protools I last certified on, and used was 7.4.. There have probably been loads of improvements. Anyway like I said before it all boils down to preference. I like Pro Tools for a lot of reasons, but it just didn't "gel" with my workflow.

It boils down to preference. It's like saying a Hammer is better than a Screwdriver. They both have their uses. One maybe more than the other, but they're just tools to get a job done. It's ultimately up to you the user/consumer to decide which works best for you.

[B0UNC3]

At 10/19/11 01:36 PM, ZStriefel wrote: I agree that Macs are quite overpriced. You could build a PC that is twice as powerful for half the cost. It's pretty gay when you have to pay extra for "the name", but if you have the money to spend on a decent mac, you may find that the extra money is worth it to you. Personally, it all comes down to the software. I've used dozens of DAWs and none of them have stuck with me as long as Logic.

First off, I'm the mod so that makes me right by default.

You're correct but the tradeoff in computer price / software is still just bullshit to me.

Cheap ass PC = all the sofware you need for video editing, composing etc.
Expensive fucking bigmac = all the software you need for video editing, composing etc.

I don't see a reason to shell out THAT much extra money considering it's no world-shattering difference. I was gonna write a really witty reply but now I'm hungry so I'll just be the mature user here and say F U.

jk <3

[ZStriefel]

At 10/19/11 01:49 PM, B0UNC3 wrote:
First off, I'm the mod so that makes me right by default.

blahblahblahblahblahblabhlblahblahblabla hblahblah

I AM RIT N U R WRONG & F U CUZ UR TEH STUPID.

ily.

[B0UNC3]

At 10/19/11 01:53 PM, ZStriefel wrote:

At 10/19/11 01:49 PM, B0UNC3 wrote:
First off, I'm the mod so that makes me right by default.

blahblahblahblahblahblabhlblahblahblabla hblahblah

I AM RIT N U R WRONG & F U CUZ UR TEH STUPID.

ily.

Stop this senseless spamming...........

ily

[Envy]

Through all the "Don't start a mac vs PC argument" it's still starting....

Is it not stoppable?

[ReconCraftTheta]

Wow this escalated...

If people are gonna be dumb-asses about the situation, then it's useless. The reason I asked is because most of the time I see studios with Macs as opposed to PC. Seriously

[Buoy]

At 10/19/11 02:41 PM, ReconCraftTheta wrote: If people are gonna be dumb-asses about the situation, then it's useless. The reason I asked is because most of the time I see studios with Macs as opposed to PC. Seriously

Because Logic is a good DAW
Pro Tools run on them too... I'm pretty sure those two are the industry standards ATM but don't take my word for it.

And studios are companies, company budgets are different from people budgets. If they can work more efficiently with a Mac, then that's more important than a cost difference of a few hundred dollars.

[InvisibleObserver]

At 10/19/11 02:41 PM, ReconCraftTheta wrote: Wow this escalated...

If people are gonna be dumb-asses about the situation, then it's useless. The reason I asked is because most of the time I see studios with Macs as opposed to PC. Seriously

I think there is an element of them being business friendly. You buy them, they have everything working/installed, they're less prone to viruses (less written for macs). I think there is a very large 'good to go out of the box' kind of likeness for them. They're advertised as being 'better', which can be true either way, but at what cost expense? PCs if enough money is pumped into them will be monster processers too. I think in the past Macs were more reliable for performance issues (not crashing), but I'm pretty positive that's long since been addressed.

It really is a matter of opinion, and your preference re guarding what software you would like to run.

[JizzleJDaAmplifia]

Because for the price, you get all the specifications you'd need to run a daw and then sone. You'd already have a good starting place to produce your music with a hell of alot of quality. But its really not nessecary if you just wanna keep your setup simple. Macs= Quality with complex features. PCs= Simplicity with options to upgrade music quality.

[HungarianSupermarket]

bcoz macs com wit the profesinol softwaer so u can make fresh beatrs and ur friends will be like all dem fresh beats is grate and bitches on ur dick

[ReconCraftTheta]

Nice English.

Anyway, I wasn't asking for an argument. But thanks to everyone who had a sensible response.

[Breed]

Bill Gates vs. Steve Jobs?

Not really a contest. One holds almost all of the market and the other is dead.

[Knoxius]

I'm going to side with anyone who has said 'preference'. I haven't heard of anyone who has decided to go out and buy a Mac after years of using a PC (or vice-versa), so whichever OS you have more experience using will probably be your best bet as far as picking an OS to work with.

I've tried to use someones mactop before and I was totally lost. I can't handle a computer without a right-click, so I'm sticking with PC. My choice has nothing to do with the capability of the machine/OS, it's just that I'm more comfortable with a PC. Change is always great, but you'll only waste time becoming acquainted with new software that does the has the same end result. IMO, that's hardly worth it.

What difference does it make if you take a piss in a toilet as compared to off the front porch? You've still taken a piss and that's all that really matters.

[ZStriefel]

At 10/19/11 01:58 PM, Envy wrote: Through all the "Don't start a mac vs PC argument" it's still starting....

Is it not stoppable?

lol. B0UN3 and I were just having fun :p we weren't being serious.

although I think Martin was being serious about his distaste for bigmacs :U

[Chris-V2]

Shticky ass debate. The main advantage is obviously that the Mac OS is usualy alot more stable than Windows and doesn't have neccesities like Disk Defrag and strict registry systems. If I wasn't still on XP and just stepping into the game I'd be tempted by a Mac, as the newer builds of the XP engine (Vista, 7) are crap. I really hate using them, they've made actually getting into the nitty gritty of your hardware/software clunky and difficult and annoying.

The good news is you can build a Hackintosh for the same price as home made PC. You just need to do some homework. Knowledge is power in the computer world, and it translates into really savings very quickly. It's a perfectly legitimate thing to do, in my opinion. Fuck propriety hardware and software!

Says the guy with an NTFS external hard drive >.>

[midimachine]

Yeah, OS X is good and not just for people who are "shit at computers". I'm turning my old Inspiron laptop into a hackintosh once I get a new desktop.

[Blackhole12]

For the love of god, just use whatever operating system runs the DAW of your choice. If you prefer a DAW that only supports Mac, get a mac. If you prefer a DAW that only supports windows, get a PC. Or get a mac and then load windows on it, just to confuse people. Some DAWs support both operating systems so it doesn't even matter.

[Sequenced]

I don't care about preferences. All I have to say is that you can build your own very powerful computer that can cost $1000 less than buying an Apple computer.

[Echo]

At 10/19/11 09:17 PM, Sequenced wrote: I don't care about preferences. All I have to say is that you can build your own very powerful computer that can cost $1000 less than buying an Apple computer.

This is true. The only thing that a Mac would have better than this would be stability of hardware and software. Then again technology moves so fast nowadays that they'll probably both be outdated soon anyway so you might as well go for the cheaper option

[DarkantheHero]

Macs themselves are more expensive than Windows pc's even though they, for the most part, will contain the same parts from the same manufacturers.

From a music standpoint, the only upside to owning a Mac would be using one of the Mac only DAW's, but that's just preference.

However, there is ONE instance where Macs win over Windows. Programs like WordBuilder that require basically a fake midi cable,(software midi cable), will run better on a Mac, whereas you have to download an extra program for Windows. Not really a big deal considering there are free programs for that, and it takes like one minute to download, but hey, it's less complicated.

As far as PC's go, I'd never use a mac because you're buying a name instead of higher specs.

[ReconCraftTheta]

At 10/19/11 08:25 PM, midimachine wrote: Yeah, OS X is good and not just for people who are "shit at computers". I'm turning my old Inspiron laptop into a hackintosh once I get a new desktop.

I've thought about doing that myself to be honest. Only main issue is the finance for actually buying OS X.

[FaeryTaleAdventurer]

At 10/19/11 09:49 AM, ReconCraftTheta wrote: So currently I'm running off of an HP G60 Laptop.

Why do producers prefer macs? I know it's a stupid question, probably. But to be totally honest I'd like some opinions on the matter.
Thanks.

Here's my opinion on the matter: I don't really have one. If you enjoy everything about the operating system/computer you use, then stick with it. I grew up most of my life using Macs than any other OS/computer, and thus is perhaps the reason I use one to produce my music with.

With every OS there will be only certain music-making software that it will support. Two well known extremes in the case would be Logic is only supported on Mac (after Apple acquired eMagic, of course), while FL Studio is only supported in Windows (I have heard however that a particular version of FL Studio could run on a Mac under certain conditions; Image-Line without a doubt had to program their mobile version of FLS on a Mac).

I think my support of Apple, especially when it came to music became strong, after visiting Apple Stores/Guitar Centers multiple times playing around with GarageBand.

I still have use for PC/Windows software from time to time, which is perhaps why I have Bootcamp (XP) on my MacBook. Though, I have "cheated" on GarageBand a couple times checking out the FL Studio demo, I still strongly prefer using GB (just hope Apple builds on its mastering engine in the future).

SoundTeMP is a prime example of diversity among music producers. In an interview from one of the co-founders, it may have been debunked that the music producers in the SoundTeMP team, could be using both PCs and Macs, though games they worked on like Ragnarok Online are Windows-only games; Pro Tools, Cubase, and Sonar 7 were mentioned, while he also said that there were other MIDI-based digital sequencers they used as well; some songs were even done live.

Listening to the OST of RO, I couldn't tell you what DAW they used for each one (could be multiple at times!), as I haven't used any of the ones he mentioned.

I say all-in-all, it depends on what you like the most about whatever computer you use, and I do take some exception to the titling of this thread. iMacs have been great, but I think it'd be more appropriate to just say "Mac".

Choose what you're used to, bottom-line. Just because some rising stars use FL Studio, or that super awesome beat you heard was done by a demoscener on The Ultimate SoundTracker, doesn't mean you'll abolutely like using the computer/operating system, yourself.