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American Political Parties 2011-10-12 23:35:04 Reply

In America there are two dominant political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans. No other parties such as the Green or Socialist party stand a snowballs chance in hell on winning anything.

Now, these two parties are 95% alike to be honest. Despite all their bitching about each other they are really not that different as a whole. Sure, they have differences over gay marriage and (barely) drug laws but it doesn't go much further than that. Even when one party does get in power the other party can still fuck up their goals royally just for the sake of it.

Do you agree? Does this bother you? If one other party could come to power which would you choose?


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-12 23:58:34 Reply

The thing about sideline political parties is that they eventually get absorbed into one of the two main ones. The Green Party had a sizable influence before Democrats sucked up half their support base. Third parties don't come to power in their own right, but they can spur political agendas to change direction a little.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-12 23:59:11 Reply

I watched the Republican darthmouth debate and all I saw were a bunch of people attacking the front runner (Romney) because of his stimulus plan. Democrat party is just Republican lite.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-13 08:41:51 Reply

At 10/12/11 11:35 PM, Cootie wrote: In America there are two dominant political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans. No other parties such as the Green or Socialist party stand a snowballs chance in hell on winning anything.

Now, these two parties are 95% alike to be honest.

What?

Despite all their bitching about each other they are really not that different as a whole. Sure, they have differences over gay marriage and (barely) drug laws but it doesn't go much further than that.

If this were the case, gridlock would be practically nonexistent in Washington D.C. The truth is that the parties, however hypocritical and foolish they can be, obviously have political differences. Over the past several decades, they've actually become more extreme in their ideals and less likely to support compromise.

Your assertion that the Democrats and Republicans are almost completely alike used to be true, however. In the 20th century, the two parties had many of the same stances on many issues...a quick study on presidential platforms of the two parties in various elections from before the 1970s and 1980s will show this to be true. After the 1980s, or sometime around there, the Democrats moved much farther to the left and the Republicans to the right. As one can imagine, moderates in both parties had difficulty remaining popular. John McCain is one example of a moderate Republican; many Republican voters felt he wasn't conservative enough to be a presidential candidate on the Republican ticket.

Even when one party does get in power the other party can still fuck up their goals royally just for the sake of it.

True for the most part.

Do you agree? Does this bother you? If one other party could come to power which would you choose?

I technically identify with both parties in many ways. However, I'm not a moderate at all. As such, I can't really choose.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-13 10:34:34 Reply

They are all bought and all respond not to the people but their corporate owners.

The difference is republicans play the bad cops while democrats are the good cops.

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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-13 14:07:43 Reply

At 10/12/11 11:35 PM, Cootie wrote: In America there are two dominant political parties, the Democrats and the Republicans. No other parties such as the Green or Socialist party stand a snowballs chance in hell on winning anything.

That's true to a degree. Independants, Libertarians and even the Green parties do {or did at one time} wield some influence, but the vast majority of the time, they are either in small town politics, or have melted into the Democratic/Republican parties in a hope that they can be mentioned, which is a shame once you think about it.

Now, these two parties are 95% alike to be honest.

A couple of decades ago, that would have been true. But once the Democrats started going to the left and the Republicans to the right, then it has been a virtual deadlock with little room for compromise. Of course, there are Democrats who are very conservative, and Republicans who are much more liberal than the rest of the group, which only muddles things up more.

Despite all their bitching about each other they are really not that different as a whole. Sure, they have differences over gay marriage and (barely) drug laws but it doesn't go much further than that.

If your refering to the moderates, than that would be true. But there are always some that are on the far left or right that has a lot of influence in the government, and as I said before, compromise has virtually gone out the window, considering how the much of the Democratic Party leans left and the GOP/Republican leans to the right. Of course, you have certain independants and libertarians who wants to go farther than that, but most of them barely get any attention at all.

Even when one party does get in power the other party can still fuck up their goals royally just for the sake of it.

Pretty much.

Do you agree? Does this bother you? If one other party could come to power which would you choose?

It is annoying, especially when nothing really gets done except for lipservice. Frankly, I would like to see the Libertarian party take over the WH and Congress, and see if they do live up to their ideals, and how the Democrats and Republians deal with it.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-13 14:10:50 Reply

At 10/12/11 11:35 PM, Cootie wrote: Do you agree? Does this bother you?

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When you have a 2 party system & they are basicly the same... do you actually have a choice ?

I will not be surprised to see John Sampson run against Sam Johnson.

There should be at least a recognised third party...after all even a coin has 3 sides !


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-13 18:46:14 Reply

Erm 3rd parties bring up issues the other parties don't address, then if they gain some momentum the major parties take a side in that issue. The first time was with the Anti-Masons and the first Presidential Convention.

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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-13 22:05:07 Reply

I hate the argument that the two parties are so similar.

They really just are not. From the view of those who are extreme, sure they may be similar, but from the view of America, and where we lie as a nation, they are quite divergent.

Many people also confuse results as goals. Sure the parties have fairly similar outputs when out in our system, but that's because as a nation of over 300,000,000 people it's hard, even for a party with a massive majority, to promote too much of their agenda without massive opposition or the threat of political consequences.

Think of them as two paints, red and blue. Red is VERY different from blue. Just because whenever they end up meeting in reality you get varying shades of purple, doesn't mean red = blue.

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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-15 20:28:05 Reply

Theodore Roosevelt became president and he was part of the Progressive party. But as stated Democrats and Republicans are the main parties and probably the only ones with a chance of becoming President.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-16 10:39:18 Reply

At 10/15/11 08:28 PM, J-Rex wrote: Theodore Roosevelt became president and he was part of the Progressive party.

Theodore Roosevelt was actually of the Republican party when he was in office from 1901 to 1909. He founded the Progressive Party in 1912 and no one in that party was ever elected President. The only other parties to have gotten the seat were Federalists (no longer existant), Democratic-Republican (split obviously) and Whig (no longer existant as well).


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-16 18:20:07 Reply

Both major parties in America are owned by corporations because they are reliant on campaign contributions to get reelected which mostly come from corporations. America needs to adopt a run off voting system where if one parties doesn't get majority people vote again, and the government needs to make it illegal for corporations to give campaign contributions for third parties to even have a chance to win. Unsurprisingly, neither of these will ever happen.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-16 18:47:57 Reply

At 10/16/11 06:20 PM, CaptainPrichard wrote: Both major parties in America are owned by corporations because they are reliant on campaign contributions to get reelected which mostly come from corporations. America needs to adopt a run off voting system where if one parties doesn't get majority people vote again, and the government needs to make it illegal for corporations to give campaign contributions for third parties to even have a chance to win. Unsurprisingly, neither of these will ever happen.

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IT IMO is in the best interest of Americans for Big Business to no longer be able to give money to Politicians & you would have to restrict the amount any one person can give to say a thousand dollars.
That way political hopefuls would have to spend a lot more time trying to convince people to support them , both financially & with volunter time during races , & with their vote.
Here in Canada business & people are only allowed to give no more than 1100.00

Another thing Government needs to make it a crime for anyone who is in Government as an elected official, cannot become a lobbiest for at least 5 years from when they leave office. As well as restrict them from working for any Company that lobbied them when they were in Government.
That way the favourtism and possibility that someone can profit from helping your business while elected...then when no longer in office getting a job with you.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-16 19:57:17 Reply

At 10/15/11 08:28 PM, J-Rex wrote: Theodore Roosevelt became president and he was part of the Progressive party. But as stated Democrats and Republicans are the main parties and probably the only ones with a chance of becoming President.

Teddy tried to become president once again as a progressive and he came kinda close considering, but he didn't win. In recent years Ross Perot got 19% of the votes as an independent... but that doesn't get you presidency either.

More important that being elected president however... seats in Congress. And in both the House and Senant there are only people aligned with Repubs and Democrats.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-16 20:02:01 Reply

At 10/16/11 07:57 PM, Cootie wrote:
At 10/15/11 08:28 PM, J-Rex wrote:
More important that being elected president however... seats in Congress. And in both the House and Senant there are only people aligned with Repubs and Democrats.

There is a more than 90% probability of incumbents to get reelected, that is probably an even more important problem with Congress.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-16 20:31:20 Reply

At 10/16/11 08:02 PM, CaptainPrichard wrote: There is a more than 90% probability of incumbents to get reelected, that is probably an even more important problem with Congress.

Bingo! Eeven with Congress' shitty approval ratings, I don't see much more than 30% turnover. People tend to blame "Congress" as a wholewhile still saying that thier own Congressman is doing a good job.

If Congress is so shitty and we all choose to keep our own Congressmen, Congress ain't gonna get any better now, is it?

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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-16 23:02:44 Reply

At 10/16/11 08:31 PM, Camarohusky wrote:
If Congress is so shitty and we all choose to keep our own Congressmen, Congress ain't gonna get any better now, is it?

Hell, most people just blame the President all the time and are completely ignorant to the fact that it is the Congress who proposes new laws and it is Congress who has the power to declare war and levy taxes.

Most of the things people blame on the President actually stem from Congress.


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Response to American Political Parties 2011-10-17 21:33:57 Reply

At 10/16/11 11:02 PM, Cootie wrote: Most of the things people blame on the President actually stem from Congress.

I wouldn't suggest ignoring the responsibilities of the entire Executive branch of government either though.


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