At 10/28/11 10:42 AM, djack wrote:
Because that flashbang clearly released teargas

Thought it looked like teargas, didn't know not a weapons expert.

and everyone knows it takes at least 20 people to see if a person is alright

Better 20 than no one.

when that person is literally a few feet away from police and medical assistance (the same kind of medical assistance that people were denied when Occupy Oakland was still inhabiting the park 24/7).

I didn't see any police/medical assistants running for help and where is the evidence that they were denied medical assistance?

At 10/28/11 03:18 PM, thedo12 wrote: Better 20 than no one.

Ever hear the phrase "too many chefs spoil the soup"? There is such a thing as too much help and when you have a large group of people swarming towards an area nearby a police blockade and surrounding someone it's reasonable to remove the people and provide whatever medical assistance necessary.

I didn't see any police/medical assistants running for help and where is the evidence that they were denied medical assistance?

Just about every article about the Occupy Oakland raid has included the fact that people in the park refused to allow police and medical personnel into the park when they were trying to respond to 911 calls. Did you actually read about the event or did you just watch a couple videos on youtube so that you had an excuse to shout "police brutality"?

At 10/11/11 12:43 AM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: I'll just leave these income disparities here

Haha, you're a fucking moron.

At 10/28/11 03:11 PM, thedo12 wrote: The American revolution was basically an English civil war, one that lead to the creation of a new country. For example in the American civil war you could say the south had a different culture and politics , but you would never call them anything other than american.

You miss my point. The reason why the American Revolution is different from most other ones is distance. The US was not geographically colocated with England. The American Revolutionary did not target English citizens on English soil. It was not, like a civil war, where both sides terrorize the other side's cities, settlements and neighborhoods. Therefore after the conflict the winner did not have to live next or with a very indignant and pissed off loser.

Furthermore, the only real difference between a civil war and a revolution is the outcome. In a civil war the political status quo is preserved (American Civil War) and a Revolution is when the status quo is demolished (American & French Revolutions).

Definately something to strive for!

When I sad success I didn't mean in the way of good results , but in the way that they created change in there political systems. Just saying that focus and a clear message aren't necessary for a revolution.

In that way you are technically correct. However, why do you think the aftermath shouldn't be considered in what is successful? I think success is measured by the end result. Order, reconciliation and peaceful is better than chaos, vengence and terrorism.

Furthermore I don't believe something as violent as the french revolution is possible in today's first world country's .People are just too receptive too violence theses day's ,(for example when you compare the deaths in recent wars and wars like ww1 and 2 you see how minuscule today wars causality's are, yet people are effected by them just the same) I could see a few isolated incidents but nothing like the mass killings of the french revolution.

I think this is a naive belief. As late as the 1970s and 1980s the Weather Underground was talking about re-education camps for "Capitalists" where about 20 million ardent, reprobate "Capitalists" would have to die. Furthermore, think about the chaos of the Anarchist vision. People's lives will be upended and the vast majority would not have the skills to survive the disruption of necessary goods and services such as food and the energy to cook and warm their homes. We're talking about a systemic break-down of the country and society. Many, many people will die. We can see that in post-Katrina New Orleans. In fact I think what we would see in the US would be worse than the French Revolution's blood-letting because OWS does not represent 99% but about 1% of very radical thinking. And if successful will come into conflict with the different factions of the rest of society.

At 10/29/11 02:37 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

At 10/11/11 12:43 AM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: I'll just leave these income disparities here

Haha, you're a fucking moron.

Really? Because that article did not refute those numbers at all. Lack of evidence is not proof of fallacy.

But ya know, since you're an idiot, you wouldn't know that.

At 10/30/11 06:47 PM, Jedi-Master wrote: According to the group's calculations, the peak since the mid 1960s was almost 299 to 1.
In previous years the ratio on two occasions has exceeded 475 to 1 -- to be specific, 516 to 1 in 1999 and 525 to 1 in 2000.
So what we're left with is an unsourced, undated chart with numbers that, at best, were only correct (approximately) in 1999 and 2000 according to one measure, and wrong according to a different measure.

I definitely don't doubt that these numbers are true (seeing as they came from people who actually took the effort to study them), but dismissing the current situation because of these numbers just doesn't fit here.

In the 1960s and late 1990s the economy was booming. Wages for most people were going upward and prosepcts looked great. These truly were times that either your wage was good, growing, or you had a legitimate chance of going elsewhere to find better prospects.

None of these three things exist today. For the regulars out there, their wages are going down, their benefits are getting more expensive while covering less. The regular people are already underpaid to begin with. On top of that the tightened economy has pretty much eliminated the possibility of leaving for greener pastures. Factor in that the top earners are making more money than they did last year and are still living large, and this ratio, while not as big as the others, seems much more cavernous.

Anyone see the protestors on Colbert?

Sure Colbert was trying hard to lampoon them, but the real people that made the Occupy protestors look stupid were... The occupy protestors.

"Ketchup?" No leader? "block?" "Female bodied individual?"

Is this actually about Wall Street or is this the hipster so-far-left-reality-ain't-even-visible-a nymore revolution?

Can the hipsters please step aside so we can take the issue seriously?

At 10/30/11 02:10 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: Really? Because that article did not refute those numbers at all.

It actually did. I honestly don't how you could have possibly read the articel and come to the conclusion you did. Unless of course you're an insane ideologue who doesn't care about facts.

Lack of evidence is not proof of fallacy.

So you can post something that has no source or evidence to back it up, and use it to support your argument, and there's nothing wrong with this? LMAO

Hey everyone, MercatorMapV2 rapes on average 100 women each year!
What are you talking about, I don't need proof!

At 11/2/11 06:36 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote:
Hey everyone, MercatorMapV2 rapes on average 100 women each year!
What are you talking about, I don't need proof!

I won't deny this claim.

Haha, oh boy

At 11/6/11 06:46 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Haha, oh boy

So in a movement where alot of people are present there is bound to be a very few individuals who try to sexually assault people?

Then it means the whole movement is bullshit right?

Oh wait no it doesn't.

At 11/6/11 09:38 PM, VenomKing666 wrote:

At 11/6/11 06:46 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Haha, oh boy

So in a movement where alot of people are present there is bound to be a very few individuals who try to sexually assault people?

Then it means the whole movement is bullshit right?

Oh wait no it doesn't.

I believe that pointing out the anti-rape tent was specifically for Mercator who has claimed that the camps were completely crime free in order to avoid any post about the crimes being committed by the people of Occupy Oakland and the fact that the people at Occupy Oakland had refused to allow police and medical personnel into the park when crimes like rape were reported. There's also the "Mercator is a rapist" post to include as part of that. Don't worry though, there are still other reasons for why the OWS movement is bullshit and there's 9 pages in this thread filled with them.

At 11/6/11 09:38 PM, VenomKing666 wrote: So in a movement where alot of people are present there is bound to be a very few individuals who try to sexually assault people?
Then it means the whole movement is bullshit right?
Oh wait no it doesn't.

You're right. That doesn't make the movement bullshit. The fact that in most cities the so called 'protestors' are just regular homeless people latching upon the free food and medical help does.

If you took a picture of Occupy Portland and Dignity Village of 5 years ago you wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

At 11/6/11 09:38 PM, VenomKing666 wrote:

At 11/6/11 06:46 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Haha, oh boy

So in a movement where alot of people are present there is bound to be a very few individuals who try to sexually assault people?

Well, when you have a multi-city protest as massive as the "occupy whatever city or street they're in." Eventually there are going to have some rogue elements to the general vicinity that'll start some trouble, both from the inside and out. My hope is that it's doesn't get much worse than that, unless they want to turn the streets into a full blown riot, when some poor fool gets capped or shanked or something. {worse case scenerio.}

Then it means the whole movement is bullshit right?

No, but it certainly does diminish whatever creditability they have, {which isn't much.} to their protests and what they want. Then again, when some people have to resort to shitting {no pun intended} on cop cars for the lolz, because they can't find a fucking port a potty nearby, it's kind of hard to treat it seriously when a bunch of bums hang out there.

Actually scratch that, the whole movement is bullshit. Sure, they may have a good message and a good cause, but their general ignorance and naivete isn't exactly a step forward into solving a problem, they're just bitching and whining because they're feel like they getting the shaft from the corporations, who don't owe them jack fucking shit, and they need to look themselves in the mirror.

At 11/6/11 11:45 PM, orangebomb wrote:

Sure, they may have a good message and a good cause, but their general ignorance and naivete isn't exactly a step forward into solving a problem.

I hear this so often and I some what agree, tea party got hijacked by Neoconservative hypocrites in the same manner. But does that make it a good idea to make that good message just go away?

I almost think there should be a United Libertarian uprising, one that doesn't focus on left or right, but just asserts a smaller government that obeys the constitution and is cut off from corporate corruption and has more transparency.

And believe me there are plenty of other people who would back this, with how often I hear the "They have a good message but there are too many idiots" retort.

At 11/6/11 10:21 PM, djack wrote:

I believe that pointing out the anti-rape tent was specifically for Mercator who has claimed that the camps were completely crime free in order to avoid any post about the crimes being committed by the people of Occupy Oakland and the fact that the people at Occupy Oakland had refused to allow police and medical personnel into the park when crimes like rape were reported. There's also the "Mercator is a rapist" post to include as part of that. Don't worry though, there are still other reasons for why the OWS movement is bullshit and there's 9 pages in this thread filled with them.

When did I claim the camps were completely crime free? Please quote that for me, as I don't recall. If anything, the camps are far from crime free. Hell, I myself have been threatened with violence if I showed up while open carrying my .45.

lawl. Silly protesters.

Stickin' it to the man!!!

haha this is fucking pathetic

At 11/13/11 05:15 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Stickin' it to the man!!!

haha this is fucking pathetic

That place looks so filthy! It looks about as Woodstock did during the 60s.

Hey guys how about a completely NOT one-sided video/report about the protests and protesters?

Silly MultiCanimefan, they're all free-loading Socialists who want shit for free.

At 11/13/11 05:15 PM, SadisticMonkey wrote: Stickin' it to the man!!!

haha this is fucking pathetic

Gotta love al, the comments made by those misinformed people about OWSers being socialists and anarchists. So much contmept like ewww ewww look at all those filthy poor people infesting our streets ewww.

Doesn't change the truth about the fact politicians are bought by big companies and no longer represent the people. Which is what the point of the united states was for those who don't follow.

SadisticMonkey, fuck you from trying to move the debate away from the true subject at hand.

At 11/6/11 11:45 PM, orangebomb wrote:

Actually scratch that, the whole movement is bullshit. Sure, they may have a good message and a good cause, but their general ignorance and naivete isn't exactly a step forward into solving a problem, they're just bitching and whining because they're feel like they getting the shaft from the corporations, who don't owe them jack fucking shit, and they need to look themselves in the mirror.

EXCUUUUSE ME? Corporations owe them everyfucking thing they got because the government bailed the banks out of the recession which THEY caused with THE PEOPLE'S money so they can BET MORE FUCKING MONEY, but of course it's not THEIR fucking money it's yours, and the money from everyone in the US. All of this while they hoard millions over millions and get tax cuts over stimulus packages.

They are draining you out. We shouldn't accept what Wall Street does more than you should accept to let a fucking leech feed on your arm. OWS isn,t about being against capitalism or anti-government. it's about being against fraudulent capitalism and wanting MORE regulation by government over private companies, which is pretty much the fucking opposite of what an anarchist would want.

At 11/13/11 09:53 PM, VenomKing666 wrote:

At 11/6/11 11:45 PM, orangebomb wrote:

More Bullshit.

No they don't. They don't have to owe a bunch of freeloaders jack shit, and yet they still bitch and moan about it, and use the tried and true scapegoat for their problems, corporations. For example:

Got car trouble? Blame the corporations.
Got problems with erectile dysfunction? Blame the corporations.
Slip and fell on some pee? Blame the corporations.

Get the picture? The people of OWS is so narrow minded and naive enough to believe that all of America's problems is caused by these multi-national conglomerates that really have little, if any to do with their problems at all. Now, I'm not saying that corporations are a model of integrity, far from it, but that said, the general naivete of these OWS cunts is corrupting their message, and adding in less than reputable people {intentionally or not} in the fold doesn't help.

They are draining you out. We shouldn't accept what Wall Street does more than you should accept to let a fucking leech feed on your arm. OWS isn,t about being against capitalism or anti-government. it's about being against fraudulent capitalism and wanting MORE regulation by government over private companies, which is pretty much the fucking opposite of what an anarchist would want.

In other words, they're socialist, they just dance around that word, and make it sound different for the ignorant masses who don't look for jobs, and embrass the ones who work for a living. Plus, as Korriken said, these douchebags don't even know that they are being totally hypocritical in their cause when they are using corporate made Apple Iphones, which are on a corporate telephone service to do whatever it is they're doing.

I said it before and I'll keep saying it again, these are career protestors who do nothing but find something to bitch and moan, and unfortunely, their ignorance and naivete just so happened to spread across the world among the idiots who think it's okay to shit on cop cars and act the fool, leeching off those who work for a living from a distance and squatting on taxpayer paid streets and parks.

Frank Miller {of 300 and Sin City fame} said it best when he said, "Occupy is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly expressed attempt at anarchy to the that the movement is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves." And for all intents and purposes, I agree with him on that.

At 11/13/11 10:33 PM, orangebomb wrote:

No they don't. They don't have to owe a bunch of freeloaders jack shit, and yet they still bitch and moan about it, and use the tried and true scapegoat for their problems, corporations. For example:

You don,t get it do you?

Banks lose all money and would be bankrupt but --> goverment bails them out, gives them money, no strings attached (meaning they dont have to give the money back) --> government gets money from taxes, aka the population --> bailed out banks proceed to speculate and bet the people's money (which is not theirs so they don't care) ---> they risk fucking the economy up again.

And please, next time you reply to my post give it more effort and check your facts rather than just dismissing it as bullshit because it goes against your perceptions.

OWSers arent freeloaders, it's full of veteran teachers and people of all domains that cannot find jobs here. Don,t believe the fox news propaganda that tells you they are all teenagers crack addicts with a diploma that goes nowhere.

Got car trouble? Blame the corporations.
Got problems with erectile dysfunction? Blame the corporations.
Slip and fell on some pee? Blame the corporations.

Oh come the fuck on, even as a carricature this doesn't hold up. What the fuck are you accusing OWS of doing, blaming corporations for all their problems? No they are denouncing the government being bought by rich people, and I explained all this shit earlier.

Get the picture? The people of OWS is so narrow minded and naive enough to believe that all of America's problems is caused by these multi-national conglomerates that really have little, if any to do with their problems at all.

Exept how I explained earlier that they bought politicians that no longer represent them and get tax cuts while taxes on the middle class rise higher and it's not doing anything for jobs.

Now, I'm not saying that corporations are a model of integrity, far from it, but that said, the general naivete of these OWS cunts is corrupting their message, and adding in less than reputable people {intentionally or not} in the fold doesn't help.

I'm sorry but how are they corrupting any message? Because it's what you said earlier I must inform you it's not what they are saying.

They are draining you out. We shouldn't accept what Wall Street does more than you should accept to let a fucking leech feed on your arm. OWS isn,t about being against capitalism or anti-government. it's about being against fraudulent capitalism and wanting MORE regulation by government over private companies, which is pretty much the fucking opposite of what an anarchist would want.

In other words, they're socialist,

No they're not, WHAT A MINUTE HOW YOULD YOU GET THAT FROM WHAT I WROTE, WHAT?

they just dance around that word, and make it sound different for the ignorant masses who don't look for jobs,

You think these people didnt look for jobs? Fuck, it's like if you go in fucking africa and tell to the starving children: "Well if you're so hungry why don't you just fucking go eat? YOu guys are sitting on your asses and wondering why you're hungry? GO EAT."

and embrass the ones who work for a living. Plus, as Korriken said, these douchebags don't even know that they are being totally hypocritical in their cause when they are using corporate made Apple Iphones, which are on a corporate telephone service to do whatever it is they're doing.

People are not against corporations, people using this argument dont get the issue, its okay for a corporation to be successful and make money, it's not okay to fund a politician campaign so then when they get in office you get tax cuts over tax cuts and fuck the middle class in the ass. It's legalized corruption. Also those banks and speculators don't produce anything, they make bets.

I said it before and I'll keep saying it again, these are career protestors who do nothing but find something to bitch and moan, and unfortunely, their ignorance and naivete just so happened to spread across the world among the idiots who think it's okay to shit on cop cars and act the fool, leeching off those who work for a living from a distance and squatting on taxpayer paid streets and parks.

I explained up here why you were wrong. Plus most protesters do not want to get violent or do not "shit" on cop cars. Which you should stop brining up like it's a common occurence.

Frank Miller {of 300 and Sin City fame} said it best when he said, "Occupy is nothing short of a clumsy, poorly expressed attempt at anarchy to the that the movement is anything more than an ugly fashion statement by a bunch of iPhone, iPad wielding spoiled brats who should stop getting in the way of working people and find jobs for themselves." And for all intents and purposes, I agree with him on that.

On the Frank Miller thing.

Because he explains it so much better than me and because I already refuted these claims earlier in the post.

At 11/13/11 09:49 PM, VenomKing666 wrote: SadisticMonkey, fuck you from trying to move the debate away from the true subject at hand.

OK. Now, becuase you brought it up, let's take a gander at the OWS movement now.

Positives:
- Their main message. Yes, it's true that corporations have done some shady shit and get rewarded for it, and it's shitty that corporations are able to pay little to no taxes while the working man cannot weasel out of them. I 100% agree with this base message.

Negatives:
- ANGST. The main message is crowed among and even shrouded by anti-rich "Corperationz R teh Badmenz!" The manner and tone of the protests has taken on a more "I'm mad because you have money and I don't"

- The hippie additions. The protests are supposed to be about corporate welfare and a massively regressive tax structure. The whole "Corporations torture animals" and the "Corporations use GMOs" and "I'm not a woman. I am a female bodies individual" bullshit has got to go away. People can't buy into the protest, because the protestors because they advocate so many oddball positions that no real person could support, at least not in total.

- The Who. The protests are the usual suspects. They are the high school dropouts and weed bearing college hippies. These people search, nay they yearn for things to protest. Sure, there whave been about 6 days total when even Unions joined the discussion, but those were short lived.

- The Camps. These camps aren't full of protestors. The camps are full of regular homeless people who have moved in to leach off of the free place to stay.

In summation, the OWS movement has taken a very valid issue, and they have mutliated it by adding their own fringy crap. They then proceeded to leave it outside without showering for a few weeks and then changed its now nappy hair into dreadlocks, because that's their style. But guess what? NONE of these things make for a movement I, as a regular person, give two shits about. Frankly, I watch these camps get evicted for fun, because it's hilarious to see how shit the movement has become (not like it was very legitimate to begin with).

They achieved their initial goal, to get their word out. But the past 30 days have been overstaying their message. They are just hurting their message and getting in the way of real solutions.

So, all I have to say to OWS is "Please go home so the real adults can handle this."

At 11/13/11 11:23 PM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 11/13/11 09:49 PM, VenomKing666 wrote: SadisticMonkey, fuck you from trying to move the debate away from the true subject at hand.

OK. Now, becuase you brought it up, let's take a gander at the OWS movement now.

Positives:
- Their main message. Yes, it's true that corporations have done some shady shit and get rewarded for it, and it's shitty that corporations are able to pay little to no taxes while the working man cannot weasel out of them. I 100% agree with this base message.

Negatives:
- ANGST. The main message is crowed among and even shrouded by anti-rich "Corperationz R teh Badmenz!" The manner and tone of the protests has taken on a more "I'm mad because you have money and I don't"

Exept they don't. Most occupy wall street folks are mad that big rich corporations get a free pass and control the government like they do, the message of OWS is not against corporation, just corporations that rig the game by buying politicians so they can have tax cuts and no regulations and then they can dump their toxic wastes in our drinking water, I'm looking at you koch brothers.

- The hippie additions. The protests are supposed to be about corporate welfare and a massively regressive tax structure. The whole "Corporations torture animals" and the "Corporations use GMOs" and "I'm not a woman. I am a female bodies individual" bullshit has got to go away. People can't buy into the protest, because the protestors because they advocate so many oddball positions that no real person could support, at least not in total.

Wait what? Do you have a link on that?

- The Who. The protests are the usual suspects. They are the high school dropouts and weed bearing college hippies. These people search, nay they yearn for things to protest. Sure, there whave been about 6 days total when even Unions joined the discussion, but those were short lived.

Tea Party protests: FUCK YEAM AMERICANS USING THEIR FIRST AMMENDMENT

OWS: DEM FUCKING WEED SMOKIN HIPPIES
-

Seriously, there are all kinds of people in OWS protests and so many, you cannot steretype them like that.

- The Camps. These camps aren't full of protestors. The camps are full of regular homeless people who have moved in to leach off of the free place to stay.

They are full of protesters, now are there some homeless people that joined the bunch because they need a place to stay, sure, I don't blame them. But it's FAR from a majority of homeless people. Please.

In summation, the OWS movement has taken a very valid issue, and they have mutliated it by adding their own fringy crap. They then proceeded to leave it outside without showering for a few weeks and then changed its now nappy hair into dreadlocks, because that's their style. But guess what? NONE of these things make for a movement I, as a regular person, give two shits about. Frankly, I watch these camps get evicted for fun, because it's hilarious to see how shit the movement has become (not like it was very legitimate to begin with).

FUCK YES THOSE COPS BEATING DEM HIPPIES FOR NO REASON YEE HAW I LOVE SEEING PEOPLE GET BEATEN UP

They achieved their initial goal, to get their word out. But the past 30 days have been overstaying their message. They are just hurting their message and getting in the way of real solutions.

So, all I have to say to OWS is "Please go home so the real adults can handle this."

So what do you propose? Who are the adults that are supposed to be talking? Also there are real organizations forming with clear goals too but more specific like Wolf PAC.

I don't agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to be punished for it.

At 11/14/11 02:13 AM, Iron-Hampster wrote: I don't agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to be punished for it.

Nice twist of that Voltaire quote.

At 11/13/11 09:49 PM, VenomKing666 wrote: Doesn't change the truth about the fact politicians are bought by big companies and no longer represent the people.

Stop blaming the corporations. Nobody is holding a gun to the politicians' heads. Ron Paul has raised millions without receiving a dime from corporations. Do you know what else doesn't change the fact that politicians are 'bought' by corporations? Dirty hippies camping in new york.

And I don't understand this fixation with "regulations". Over the past decade alone over 700,000 pages of new regulations were added to the federal register.

Also, the media coverage of OWS has been *FAR* more positive than the tea party protests. The tea partiers were made out to be dangerous lunatics, when in reality the vast majority were well-behaved and civilised. Unlike a lot of the OWS crowd...

At 11/14/11 12:06 AM, VenomKing666 wrote: Exept they don't. Most occupy wall street folks are mad that big rich corporations get a free pass and control the government like they do, the message of OWS is not against corporation, just corporations that rig the game by buying politicians so they can have tax cuts and no regulations and then they can dump their toxic wastes in our drinking water, I'm looking at you koch brothers.

Yeah, that's the base message. Spend some time looking at these protests though. Really. Do it. You'll find a hell of a lot more angst at others' wealth (Eat the rich) than any objective, productive, or even on topic dialogue about the issues. It's as if they're trying to be the anger so others will be the brain, yet they have become a sideshow that the brainy types have stayed away from.

Wait what? Do you have a link on that?

Mission statement. Just read this, and you'll find a Bonaroo/Sasquatch Christmas list to Santa.

Great Example. Let's also not forget how "Ketchup" went on to Colbert Report and managed to make the movement look stupider than Colbert ever could do on his own.

Seriously, there are all kinds of people in OWS protests and so many, you cannot steretype them like that.

But I can, because it's true. Seriously, go to one of the camps. Watch the news of the protests. You'll find a mixture of three groups. You'll find the regular homeless people (about 50-75% of OWS) who are freeriding. You'll find the 20 something, "I yearn for protest" types. Then you will also find the Vietnam protestors "This reminds me of my deadbeat childhood"

You klnow who you won't find? The 99% of hardworking regular folks.

They are full of protesters, now are there some homeless people that joined the bunch because they need a place to stay, sure, I don't blame them. But it's FAR from a majority of homeless people. Please.

Again, I charge you to actually go to these camps. I have seen homeless tent villages, and these were exatcly the same. Also, having lived in an urban area I know the difference between dirty suburban hippie and actual homeless, and guess what? The vast supermajority of OWS in most cities are the regular homeless.

FUCK YES THOSE COPS BEATING DEM HIPPIES FOR NO REASON YEE HAW I LOVE SEEING PEOPLE GET BEATEN UP

Ha, cause guess what? It's actually the protestors starting the violence in most cases, although in Oakland the Police ratcheted it up way more than neccesary. But it's not the violence I laugh it. It's the complete lack of understanding about the real world that I laugh at.

So what do you propose? Who are the adults that are supposed to be talking? Also there are real organizations forming with clear goals too but more specific like Wolf PAC.

I propose that these kids go back to smoking weed in ther parent's basement, while the regulars who have been scared away because of gthese idiots, come out and start proposing legislation. Start creating PACs. Start DOING something. You know what causes more political change than a bunch of stinky repulsive squatters? ANYTHING! The longer these squatters stay the more unpopular they will become among the regulars, and the less likely the legitimate folks will want to be associated with them.

PACs are a great way to go. Initiatives. Putting forward good honest political candidates. Lawsuits (although SCOTUS hasn't exactly been immune from politics). The system that provides us with all of our comforts also has numerous avenues through which to pursue means of change that will actually work. OWS has decided to throw away all of that and start from groundlevel, not realizing that they are getting nothing done.

At 11/14/11 06:32 AM, SadisticMonkey wrote:

Stop blaming the corporations. Nobody is holding a gun to the politicians' heads. Ron Paul has raised millions without receiving a dime from corporations. Do you know what else doesn't change the fact that politicians are 'bought' by corporations? Dirty hippies camping in new york.

I never said anybody is holding a gun, but they are funding their campaigns however. ALso it did switch the debate between left-right to 99% vs 1%, there are also groups like I said earlier with clear goals that formed from this protest who have clear goals like WOlf PAC for example.

And I don't understand this fixation with "regulations". Over the past decade alone over 700,000 pages of new regulations were added to the federal register.

Then explain this.

Also, the media coverage of OWS has been *FAR* more positive than the tea party protests. The tea partiers were made out to be dangerous lunatics, when in reality the vast majority were well-behaved and civilised. Unlike a lot of the OWS crowd...

Are you kidding me? OWSers have been misrepresented as hippies and hobos and inexperienced young people with shit degrees that are too lazy to find a job and have no goals. (and you bought into that) and when tea partiers protested they were great citizens using their first ammendment.

Also nice link, someone is shitting on a cop car, we don,t know who he is but he's there, doing his thing, this means he is endorsed and approved by the OWS movement right? No, he's just a random dumbass.