At 1/5/12 11:47 PM, orangebomb wrote:
Okay, first off, it's called an opinion,
Calling OWS protesters a bunch of hippies is factually incorrect.
it seems like you're only content, to go after Camaro, Korriken and me just because we have a different viewpoint on OWS.
Because I believe your viewpoint is biased and incorrect, and no obviously if we had similar opinions I would not "go after" you guys.
Second, what we've said isn't unfounded mess like you claim it is, it's our opinons based on facts, obversations and beliefs about this,
Beliefs yes, observations, maybe, facts no.
just because you think it's shit, doesn't make it so.
And I never claimed it was the case, your opinion is incorrect because it is, not because I think it is. Ijust also happen to think it is, but there is no correlation.
I think you're really twisting my words so you can talk about how the OWS is always good, and those who disagree are right wing jackasses.
I am not saying that either, OWS is not a perfect movement, but none is, when the population in arab countries protest for freedom we say its a good thing and the media defends them, when american citizens do it they are jobless hobos or dumb teenagers with useless degrees, which is factually wrong.
Real mature on your part.
The strawman you are attacking is immature, I am not.
I never said that their cause isn't right,
Never implied you specifically did imply such a thing, sorry it was not worded properly on my part, this was directed to the thread in general.
if fact I can understand their cause. What I'm trying to say is that they are doing this the wrong way, and not finding rational solutions to the things that they are protesting against. Don't know where you got that from,
But that's the thing, everybody says they are doing it wrong but then they offer no better solution to the problem. THis is what I mean by saying the movement is not perfect, but what they did worked, they were acknowledged by the regular medias that deployed tremendous efforts to ignore them. They brought the issue to light, now winter arrived and they went under the radar, but movements like PACs were born and they are trying what they can inside a corrupt governmental system, the same they are protesting, and yes there are some weirdos who have no idea what the fuck they are doing among them but all movements have these.
but I'll bet you don't even read my other posts fully, instead you simply white-wash certain parts of my argument and try to use it against me.
I do not and it is not my intention to.
What they did at the Rose Bowl was legal, I don't have a problem with that, but that doesn't mean that the way that they are doing it is going to entice the people to join their cause,
It doesn't mean the opposite either, plus, they were applauded at the parade.
hell, it's possible that they could piss off more people than they can recruit or even sympathsize with.
It's possible, but not probable, why would it piss people off? And it may piss off some people but also entice some other people to join them, better than doing nothing.
Plus, most people and media go to Pasedena at that time to watch/cover a football game and a parade, not a protest that has no clear leadership and crytic floats.
They go where the media is to get coverage, as for them having no clear leadership, it is one of the values of the movement, to remain a movement of the population with no leader.
I don't know what rational means to you, but considering the fact that you're toting the OWS bandwagon, my assumpion would be that most everything and everyone in the OWS is on the level, and anyone that disagrees with your and the OWS statement is considered a conservative troll and a jackass. Something tells me that this is the pot calling the teakettle black here when it comes to a rational arguments, repeating themselves like a broken record.
Well to be honest you proved me slightly wrong there, your post was better than what I tought you would provide, I just see so many people in this thread just shitting on OWS and using baseless ad hominem attacks that it makes me angry. However your post contains no strong arguments, they are very weak and frail at best.