Flash Portal Mods

[BanglaBoy96]

Just a suggestion, We all know ALOT of flashes which break the rules get through judgement, Stolen, Illegal porn, offensive etc.
Now even though he have the ability to flag or "blow" your whistle to alert the admins about it, It's not very affective really.
So? I was wondering, why not hire voluntary Flash Portal mods, maybe a dozen of them to check all flashes in the portal for anything that breaks the rules.

Good or Bad idea?
-Discuss

[Phobotech]

We are all the portal mods.

B-BLOW MAH WHISTLE BABEH

[deckheadtottie]

If people (read: stat whores) bothered to view submissions before blindly voting to protect them, this would be covered already. What you've described is basically the entire under judgement process.

[BanglaBoy96]

At 8/13/11 05:12 AM, deckheadtottie wrote: If people (read: stat whores) bothered to view submissions before blindly voting to protect them, this would be covered already. What you've described is basically the entire under judgement process.

People nowadays don't vote fairly, 5 or 0 the other numbers are not even worth anything to be obsessed with Blam/Save points.
I am not suggesting to REMOVE the Judgement system but it should be more tidied up, alot of unfunny big file size spam that nobody needs on Newgrounds gets through with scores of 1.3 or something don't need to be on the site, I know everything by everyone but when it comes to stuff Like that nobody AND NOONE! wants to watch that.
Also there is ALOT of offensive flashes on this site which are against the rules.

If you want I can list some

[Jolly]

I don't like this idea at all because I don't think any user should be able to remove any flash submission they want to. I also don't see the point in having several moderators to review the flagged flash submissions, because submissions aren't flagged very often.. after a few days all of the flagged submissions would be removed.

[CorpseGrinderClock]

At 8/13/11 05:12 AM, deckheadtottie wrote: If people (read: stat whores) bothered to view submissions before blindly voting to protect them, this would be covered already. What you've described is basically the entire under judgement process.

Yes but they don't and you have no way of policing it so it's really nonproductive to bemoan it without addressing potential solutions.

[Asandir]

Well, I see stolen flashes pass regularly, and it seems to me like simply too less people blow their whistle on stolen stuff, the system itself is fine.

[deckheadtottie]

At 8/13/11 05:29 AM, CorpseGrinderClock wrote: Yes but they don't and you have no way of policing it so it's really nonproductive to bemoan it without addressing potential solutions.

Plan B, which has been in place forever, is to contact Wade with the rule breaking submission and he will manually remove it.

200 potential people have to view the submission before it passes judgement... I can't even be bothered to argue about it. #mootpoint #trivial

[Wolfos]

It's just people's stupidity not to view the Flash before voting. No system can change that.

[CorpseGrinderClock]

At 8/13/11 05:36 AM, deckheadtottie wrote:

At 8/13/11 05:29 AM, CorpseGrinderClock wrote: Yes but they don't and you have no way of policing it so it's really nonproductive to bemoan it without addressing potential solutions.

Plan B, which has been in place forever, is to contact Wade with the rule breaking submission and he will manually remove it.

Yeah but that doesn't addressyour concern in the slightest, does it?

[Bogoblin]

I think that for every 100 protects and blams you should get 10 extra points. BUT, you have to have 100 protects and100 blams, so people wouldn't auto vote. Getting bad flash blammed is just as important as getting good flash protected, and I think the system should reflect this. There are plenty of bad flashes and plenty of good ones, so I think this is viable.

[reverend]

At 8/13/11 05:36 AM, deckheadtottie wrote: Plan B, which has been in place forever, is to contact Wade with the rule breaking submission and he will manually remove it.

200 potential people have to view the submission before it passes judgement... I can't even be bothered to argue about it. #mootpoint #trivial

Yeah I'm going to have to agree with @deckheadtottie for the reason that it's no major issue to contact one of the administrators and have them deal with it. The problem is really not that prevalent to warrant it.

Also for the fact that it's one thing to have some volunteer mod to remove BBS post or even Portal reviews, but it's another to have some volunteer to remove the bread and butter of the site, Flash submissions. #statingobvious #nomorebureaucracy

[The-Great-One]

It is a good idea seeing as how we don't really have anything official per say. However we do have The Newgrounds Police Department and The Elite Guard Barracks. People who volunteer to help in keeping all of Newgrounds clean as well as helping out the other members, moderators, and even the admins.

[C-Hawk]

You're never going to convince any of the staff, mods included, that there's a problem and that you have a good, constructive idea, because it'd mean a lot of work to overhaul the judgment system and they're almost done with the next redesign.
This is regardless of whether or not you bring up the topic that the whistle system is broken, in that if you whistle something and it passes judgment, you lose a shitload of whistle points. Point that out, and they'll say "well if you really cared about monitoring the site instead of statwhoring, that wouldn't matter", which i guess makes it okay to leave a broken system be broken forever. The point of fixing the system is reducing the workload on Wade and all the rest of the staff, but i guess that's too ambitious.

[Gimmick]

It's a somewhat bad idea -- you've just covered the judgement process. They've had audio mods to check your audio, but that's it -- it doesn't get any score unless the author or others vote on it. Unlike other portals, the flash portal was the foundation of NG -- I don't think people would be very happy if it got changed.

As for "autovoting", yes, I think that instead of a timer that's implemented, authors can just use the NG API and maybe it can trigger a listener that activates the voting...who knows. But that may be a bad system as well, if the last frame never reaches, say, maybe the author put "stop()" a frame before the end? Not sure really.

All in all, we can't change the way people vote. Let them just be as they are, some day or the other they'll need to recoup all the lost blams that they could've got.

6200th post btw

[deckheadtottie]

At 8/13/11 08:06 AM, C-Hawk wrote: whistle something and it passes judgment, you lose a shitload of whistle points

Is this documented anywhere? I'm pretty sure that's not true. I was under the impression that you lose whistle points IF the submission does get flagged AND it's found to not break the rules. I've been out of the Portal loop for sometime (basically since people save everything) so it may have changed.

I flag crap in the Portal all the time that doesn't get pulled and I still have my whistle.

[k6ka]

Good idea! That's what I was hoping for.... Flash Moderators... just like we have Audio and Art mods.

In that case the Whistle option should still be available (Blowing the whistle would alert a Flash mod to come and take a look) even after judgement, so mods that miss out on the new submissions will still be able to clear offensive Flash.

[Gimmick]

At 8/13/11 09:43 AM, k6ka wrote: In that case the Whistle option should still be available

In that case the whistle would be useless 99% of the time.

[Asandir]

At 8/13/11 10:36 AM, Gimmick wrote:

At 8/13/11 09:43 AM, k6ka wrote: In that case the Whistle option should still be available

In that case the whistle would be useless 99% of the time.

You can still use it to flag abusive reviews.

[Lojinkz]

I find it strange that newer users are almost always the ones to propose changes to the website.

[NekoMika]

At 8/13/11 05:11 AM, Phobotech wrote: We are all the portal mods.

B-BLOW MAH WHISTLE BABEH

Yes indeed! Everyone is, it's up the the viewer to decide whether it passes or not or if it should be flagged and such.

[Michaely385]

At 8/13/11 05:10 AM, BanglaBoy96 wrote: Now even though he have the ability to flag or "blow" your whistle to alert the admins about it, It's not very affective really.
So? I was wondering, why not hire voluntary Flash Portal mods, maybe a dozen of them to check all flashes in the portal for anything that breaks the rules.

Are you really serious that we are Flash Portal Moderators.
Blow my whistle, bitch. :)

[Gimmick]

At 8/13/11 10:54 AM, Asandir wrote:

In that case the whistle would be useless 99% of the time.

You can still use it to flag abusive reviews.

I don't think that's using the whistle, I could be mistaken.

[Suprememessage]

At 8/13/11 05:38 AM, Wolfos wrote: It's just people's stupidity not to view the Flash before voting. No system can change that.

Agreed. I guess people don't actually care, and just vote without viewing it, it is really a sad thing.

[Asandir]

At 8/13/11 11:19 AM, Gimmick wrote: I don't think that's using the whistle, I could be mistaken.

Well, since it influences your whistle level, I think that you use your whistle, for example, if someone with a garbage whistle flags a review, then it will not bring the review to the attention of a review mod, a deity whistle alone is enough on the other hand to bring the review to the attention of a review mod. Therefore, you are using your whistle, technically.

[gamejunkie]

At 8/13/11 05:12 AM, deckheadtottie wrote: If people (read: stat whores) bothered to view submissions before blindly voting to protect them, this would be covered already.

I think this statement needs revising. You are getting stat whores mixed up with SAVE whores. There's a huge difference in the two.

[Cootie]

Members of the Elite Guard Barracks have your back.

[Martin]

At 8/13/11 11:37 AM, gamejunkie wrote:

At 8/13/11 05:12 AM, deckheadtottie wrote: If people (read: stat whores) bothered to view submissions before blindly voting to protect them, this would be covered already.

I think this statement needs revising. You are getting stat whores mixed up with SAVE whores. There's a huge difference in the two.

They're the same thing. You save submissions to raise your status either way. Smart one.

[gamejunkie]

At 8/13/11 12:00 PM, Martin wrote:

At 8/13/11 11:37 AM, gamejunkie wrote:

At 8/13/11 05:12 AM, deckheadtottie wrote: If people (read: stat whores) bothered to view submissions before blindly voting to protect them, this would be covered already.

I think this statement needs revising. You are getting stat whores mixed up with SAVE whores. There's a huge difference in the two.

They're the same thing. You save submissions to raise your status either way. Smart one.

No they are not! WTF are you talking about? A stat whore like myself is not interested in the easy save points, I watch all flashes and vote accordingly and I regularly top the monthly Blammers list along with enjoying all the other stats available on NG. Save whores just hit 5 on everything, regardless of the quality. I am a stat whore but I am definitely not a save whore. Save whores are the bane of NG. And then you have the stat whores who rely solely on BBS posts for stats, how the hell do they fall in the Save whore category? They don't! So your comment that Save whores and Stat whores are the same, is absolutely ridiculous. And I notice that you top the monthly Saves list regularly and not the Blams list, so maybe you should try hitting the 0 button once in a while. Smart one. Your part of the problem.

[sweet21]

Yeah what first post guy said. We are the mods! Also, get a better whistle.