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How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:29:02 Reply

Though not done by every user, I really think that the reason new users make bad threads/posts, is because we influence them.

Every new user makes bad posts when they first start on any forum, that is understandable. Most users learn the way of a site, and their posts gain in quality and eventually they become a "regular".

There are however, some users who have had some experience where a lot of new users totally make fun of their posting quality in a thread they made.

Though it may be fun to make jokes at a new users expense, in the new user's mind, they are emotionally upset in some way. These emotions will either cause them to strike back at the "regulars", stop posting all together, or make terrible threads.

The latter result is something a lot of users are complaining about lately, as if they don't realize what their actions are causing.

Since this is really the most recent case, I'm going to use Sonicflare9 as an example.

He is not exactly a new user (he signed up before me) but he is new to the forums.

He makes some threads about trying to get girls, and people make fun of him for because of that. Yes, his posts are bad, but do you really think harrassing him is really going to make him a better poster?

My solution to this problem needs support on both ends.

The "regulars" need to lay off new users who's posts are lacking in quality, and the new user's need to try and change by learning what is acceptable on this forum.

Please try and welcome new users, not isolate them. Who knows, we might just get another Asandir or POTaTOS out of it.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:32:20 Reply

I think it's because they don't ban terrible members who make terrible threads about masturbation and smoking pot a couple dozen times a week.


At 12/16/11 12:04 AM, Luis wrote:
: i like all the masturbation threads i know more about myself than i ever would if it wasnt for newgrounds.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:32:45 Reply

those that seek refuge to the holy land are welcomed with open arms from yours truly

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:33:12 Reply

How are they to learn if we don't tell them when they're being idiots?

I vote shock collars


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:33:36 Reply

Very well said. Don't feel pressured about whether or not to PM a moderator about users who derail topics or act like general losers, even if they're regulars, as we're here to help quell that problem so discussion can continue on like normal.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:35:05 Reply

One key to becoming a good BBS user is to not take other people so seriously.

If someone has ever told you to kill yourself, that doesn't mean you need to go off the wall and call the cyber police. Lots of people say mean things like this, and no one who says it is really serious about it. You should just brush off insults with a simple "No U" or something.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:36:17 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:29 PM, Bobbybroccoli wrote: POTaTOS out of it.

You like me! You really like me!

How to help new users get better.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:36:53 Reply

Wow, lets throw this with the other 20 'How to help new users not suck' threads this month.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:39:20 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:36 PM, POTaTOS wrote:
At 8/11/11 09:29 PM, Bobbybroccoli wrote: POTaTOS out of it.
You like me! You really like me!

No, get out.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:39:22 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:35 PM, Chdonga wrote: If someone has ever told you to kill yourself, that doesn't mean you need to go off the wall and call the cyber police. Lots of people say mean things like this, and no one who says it is really serious about it. You should just brush off insults with a simple "No U" or something.

This

Also just because someone is nice doesn't make them a good user. I could be the nicest altruist on the whole BBS (I'm not but just roll with it) and I would still be the shit user that I am today


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:40:15 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:36 PM, Cocktor wrote: Wow, lets throw this with the other 20 'How to help new users not suck' threads this month.

Mind pointing these out ot me?

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:41:20 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:39 PM, Sequenced wrote: No, get out.

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How to help new users get better.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:41:24 Reply

The stupid things new users say is what keeps this place running!


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:42:58 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:35 PM, Chdonga wrote: One key to becoming a good BBS user is to not take other people so seriously.

If someone has ever told you to kill yourself, that doesn't mean you need to go off the wall and call the cyber police. Lots of people say mean things like this, and no one who says it is really serious about it. You should just brush off insults with a simple "No U" or something.

chdonga, i'm really sorry

i said something mean about you in a private message to sonicflare9 and i didn't mean it

i hope you can forgive me....

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:47:50 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:34 PM, ClockworkSpace wrote: Don't worry I'll give the noobs a hand.

Including me right

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 21:58:34 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:32 PM, Cubone wrote: those that seek refuge to the holy land are welcomed with open arms from yours truly

Thank you and the broccoli guy

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 22:00:45 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:33 PM, STEM wrote: Very well said. Don't feel pressured about whether or not to PM a moderator about users who derail topics or act like general losers, even if they're regulars, as we're here to help quell that problem so discussion can continue on like normal.

Is it okay if I PM you and complain that most of the threads are awful and shame you for not getting rid of them?

Seriously if I see another "wats ur favorite porn star?" thread open for more than a day I'm doing this.


At 12/16/11 12:04 AM, Luis wrote:
: i like all the masturbation threads i know more about myself than i ever would if it wasnt for newgrounds.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 22:03:04 Reply

At 8/11/11 10:00 PM, CorpseGrinderClock wrote: Seriously if I see another "wats ur favorite porn star?" thread open for more than a day I'm doing this.

yes the threads here are not quite up to par with the clock crew

i'm sure this is upsetting to you

How to help new users get better.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 22:13:08 Reply

At 8/11/11 10:03 PM, EmperorOfSwag wrote: yes the threads here are not quite up to par with the clock crew

i'm sure this is upsetting to you

No, the threads are not up to par with the clock crew.

No, nothing on that image upsets me

The fact that you can't tell the difference is indicative of why this board's content is awful


At 12/16/11 12:04 AM, Luis wrote:
: i like all the masturbation threads i know more about myself than i ever would if it wasnt for newgrounds.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 22:29:23 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:35 PM, Chdonga wrote: One key to becoming a good BBS user is to not take other people so seriously.

If someone has ever told you to kill yourself, that doesn't mean you need to go off the wall and call the cyber police. Lots of people say mean things like this, and no one who says it is really serious about it. You should just brush off insults with a simple "No U" or something.

Lots of people say mean things like this, and no one who says it is really serious about it. You should just brush off insults with a simple "No U" or something.

Uhhh Thanks for the advice chdonga

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 22:51:09 Reply

People who are actually serious about frequenting this place catch on quick, usually. My first day on the forums, I read the rules and a few threads, and was on my way. Of course, I don't post often so I can't really be put into the same category as Asandir and POTaTOS.

I have sometimes considered setting up a site where people can contribute information they know about extra rules of the BBS and help clarify existing rules, but then I realized the only people who actually need that stuff wouldn't check a site like that anyway. Anyone of a reasonable age and a sense of humor can learn through experience.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:00:02 Reply

I think if you take insults from people on the internet seriously, you aren't mature enough to be posting here.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:03:08 Reply

Another important thing to help new users is for regulars to stop making threads with no content. Many threads are made with the intent to put as little content into a thread whilst still avoiding punishment. New users tend to mimic this and try to create their own useless threads, but garner much harsher replies from other users due to their lack of status.

The same goes for "+1" posts. Users who attempt to raise their post count by posting hundreds of one-line posts. This encourages others to do the same and new users are often the first to increase their post counts by creating useless posts in an attempt to get more attention from users who have been posting for longer. Some users have managed to amass thousands of such posts in a short time span due to consistently posting one-line posts, bandwagon posts, memes, and sometimes entirely empty posts which are attempted to be made up for by posting an irrelevant picture.

It's easy to create an entirely cruel or even kind persona whilst posting and maintain it for thousands of posts in an effort to get attention. It's easy to fill out your post count with short, no-thought-required posts and pad a few by breaking them into unnecessary paragraphs or posting pictures. Truly posting well is not easy. Deep down, posting is an art form. Good posters will type a post as an artist would paint a picture, filling in details while still keeping the entire picture in perspective. Good posts aren't necessarily serious. Some of the best posts have been works of obvious but hilarious fiction.

Users who attempt to improve their status by posting short, no-content posts and threads are cheating themselves and others out of the posting tradition which is really a relic of an age where stories and ideas were passed down orally.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:13:44 Reply

At 8/11/11 11:00 PM, ngfan14 wrote: I think if you take insults from people on the internet seriously, you aren't mature enough to be posting here.

I get the feeling that "mature" is only used ironically on newgrounds. Mature members, mature videos, mature posts...


At 12/16/11 12:04 AM, Luis wrote:
: i like all the masturbation threads i know more about myself than i ever would if it wasnt for newgrounds.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:17:47 Reply

Not me, my first post was awesome, with decent grammar, and wasn't stupid, I'm the exception I guess.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:30:20 Reply

I'm glad to see that I am not the only one concerned with this problematic. I specially liked Stevenscar's contribution to the thread.

I believe that the reason for which most new users have bad posting habits is because the whole General Forum itself has lowered the quality of the posts. They come and see all these useless topics and replies, so they feel encouraged to do the same. Those of you who complain about shitty new users yet make spamish posts yourselves have no right to moan, because you are the biggest part of the problem.

I've brought this up with other mods and thankfully it seems that things are about to get better, because frankly the situation is pretty messy right now due to the lack of rule enforcement. There are too many threads and posts that normally would have been locked/deleted and are now the bread and butter of everyday. The General Forum might not be that enlightening and serious, but there's a line that has been crossed beyond which things are simply not worth reading.

I encourage those who of you who care about the forum being worthwhile to set a good example and not give in to the trend of making shitty posts.


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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:33:12 Reply

At 8/11/11 09:33 PM, TheBlueRaven wrote: How are they to learn if we don't tell them when they're being idiots?

I vote shock collars

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:34:49 Reply

Yeah but you see, if we don't make fun of them, how will they know how shitty they are? They aren't gonna get better if they already think they're good.
And if they take it personally, then they probably shouldn't use the internet.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:35:40 Reply

At 8/11/11 11:30 PM, YoungAndWise wrote: post

I generally agree with this, but more importantly than the "spamish" posts are the ones that are just stupid or involve not reading the thread at all. Eventually it gets to the point where reading the thread is just tedious and impractical because you're reading the same moronic garbage repeated ad nauseum.

Mind you there are some good moderators who I see fighting the good fight, but not enough of them and not with enough clout.


At 12/16/11 12:04 AM, Luis wrote:
: i like all the masturbation threads i know more about myself than i ever would if it wasnt for newgrounds.

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Response to How to help new users get better. 2011-08-11 23:40:32 Reply

I like the current system.

New users sign up, make dumb posts, get flamed because of it, they learn and adapt and they eventually make better posts.

Your hate for new users molds great posters.


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