At 10/29/12 10:23 PM, Profanity wrote:
It's amazing to me that you have warped your entire side of this argument into whatever region of thought is causing you to read through and accept the Officer's standard operating procedure COMPLETELY IGNORING THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT STANDARD FOR A JET LAGGED PROFESSOR TO BE HARASSED AND TRESPASSED AGAINST IN HIS OWN HOME.
Actually, I do have empathy for Gates being jet lagged. Having made the Korea-Missouri/S. Carolina trip a half dozen times...I understand how tired and aggitated Gates would be. Hell, when I came home from Qatar and had 6hrs sleep in 96hrs...I felt like I was drunk by the time I got home.
So no, I'm not ignoring that having a police officer come ask who you are and what you're doing in your own home can be the last thing you want. However, that does not give Gates the right or a free pass to become belligerent with a police officer responding to a call to make sure you and your home was okay. It is a contributing cause to Gates' behavior...but it does not excuse it.
See, what Gates was arrested for was his behavior towards the cop. Yelling, shouting, threatening, insulting the guy's mom...that is what Sgt Crowley cited as the cause for his arrest.
Who gives a shit why the police officer entered the house? The fact of the matter is that there was no problem at the location. AFTER it had been established without a doubt, the officer proceeded to arrest the Professor.
After. He. Verified. The. Professor's. Identity. And. Safety. He. Arrested. The. Man.
Okay...read above. Gates was arrested because he allegedly continued to be insulting and belligerent as the officer attempted to perform his duty. At this point that Gates' identity had been verified as well as his safety...is irrelevent because it was Gates' that got him arrested.
Therefore, acted stupidly. No one is questioning that he was following procedure to ensure that there were no gunmen holding the house, no one in this conversation or the President's response has questioned that. It's made pretty fucking clear in the numerous articles that the Officer had been following standard operating procedure.
So let me get this right, on one hand you say:
You are not questioning that he was following SOP.
But then you start this post with
"COMPLETELY IGNORING THE FACT THAT IT IS NOT STANDARD FOR A JET LAGGED PROFESSOR TO BE IN HIS OWN HOME."
And then sandwich it with:
"It's also made pretty fucking clear in the numerous articles that the Professor had just flown halfway across the planet, had to barge into his own house, and then had and accuse him of being a home invader."
Dude...you do realize that you are contradicting . So was Crowley acting in accordance with SOP by entering the house...or was he violating Gates' property rights? You're trying to have it both ways.
Furthermore, for as sure as you are that know more about this than I and that I am not empathetic to Prof. Gates...you don't seem to know that Gates was not asleep when Sgt Crowley responded. According to Gates' account he was on the phone with his property manager to get the door fixed.
Now...here's the thing. I've read both accounts.
* Was suffering from a bronchial infection that made it impossible for him to yell.
* Was on the phone with the property manager when a white man dressed as a cop knocked on the door.
* Answered and was asked by the cop who he was and what had happened.
* Asked for ID which he had left by the phone, had to go get it.
* Cop entered the house behind him and closed the door.
* Gates provided Harvard ID and drivers license, asked for officer's name and badge number.
* Cop ignored request and turned and walked away, Gates followed him demanding this info.
* Cop turned and basicall said: "Thank you for your cooperation earlier, you are now under arrest."
* Responded to 911 of two men trying to break into a house.
* Gates answers tells him story but does not have ID.
* Gates also threatens Crowley by saying he did not know who he was messing with.
* After initially refusing to provide ID, Gates goes inside to retreive ID, so following SOP Crowley enters.
* Crowley informs Gates that if he wants to discuss this further, outside would be the appropriate venue. Gates says a 'your mama' insult and follow him outside.
* Once outside, Gates continues being disorderly.
* Receives two warnings concerning his disorderly behavior, but continues yelling about racial profiling and threatening Crowley that he has not heard the last of this.
* Gates is arrested for his disorderly behavior.
So as you can see there are two sides and I can articulate them both. Furthermore I do empathize with Gates having made many trans-oceanic flights myself. So in deciding which account is more believable:
* Crowley was selected by an African-American police chief to teach courses on racial profiling. African-Americans who know him say he is a good and fair police officer. He attempted to save a black athlete's life. I can find nothing in his background that would suggest he would behave bigotedly like Gates' account suggest.
* Sgt Leon Lashley was present when Gates was arrested and says he supports Crowley's decision 100%. Sgt Lashley is an African-American, who also went on to say that Gates would've probably responded differently to a black cop. This suggests that Gates may have been the person behaving from a racist/biased standpoint.
* While Gates claims that he could not yell due to medical conditions, you can hear yelling in the background when Crowley called into dispatch. While not a 100% confirmation that it was Gates...it does seem to support Crowley since it was only Gates and CPD there at the time.
* Gates' story seems a little far fetched. Even if the CPD was plagued by racial bias, arresting a Harvard professor who had been cooperating with you and just wanted your name and badge number...seems very dumb. It does not jive that a police officer with Crowley's experience and background would make an arrest for no reason.
Therefore, by engaging nuerons and examining accounts and ...I find Crowley's account the more believable.
Now here's the thing: I think Crowley probably should've let Gates go. From the sound of it, Gates was in an agitated mood and spoiling for a fight...not a physical one...but to verbally/emotionally take out some aggression. Crowley gave it to him as well as a soap box.
But on the other hand, Gates was acting inappropriately and Crowley had the right and authority to arrest him for his behavior. So it was a judgement call. Letting him go would've been okay, but arresting him was equally appropriate.
... I'm not going to dictate an essay about profiling in the Cambridge Police Dept just to convince a Republican to vote for the better candidate.
Dude I don't want an essay. What I want are sources. From everything I've read about Crowley he taught courses on interracial policing techniques. I've also read that CPD is very good in this regard. You are presenting a counter view. I am asking for you to support this so I may make a more informed decision.
It has nothing to do with my vote.