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I still choose to live.

I'll choose to live, thank you. I'll have the liberty you won't.

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can you believe how selfish people can get, choosing when and how they die
fucking disgusting

At 8/9/11 08:21 AM, Cubone wrote: can you believe how selfish people can get, choosing when and how they die
fucking disgusting

so what do you call someone who chooses when and how someone else dies

At 8/9/11 08:33 AM, Knoxius wrote: so what do you call someone who chooses when and how someone else dies

A murderer, maybe? Could be also Voluntary euthanasia.

I refuse to die just yet.

I have something to prove to myself and perhaps the world before I can rest in peace. I cannot allow death to preclude me from attaining what I desire.

At 8/9/11 08:33 AM, Knoxius wrote: so what do you call someone who chooses when and how someone else dies

DuckyDeath

False.

You're assuming from the get-go that pain is only worth it if there's a pleasurable counter-balance after-wards. What defines pain and pleasure is entirely up to each individual. Dividing life into simply pain and pleasure is over-simplifying one's existence and trivializes the experiences we are able to have.

Life is not an equation we have to balance.

Secondly, life cannot be analyzed in the way you're choosing. Risk-analysis? Is that the ONLY valid way to see your life? For some, pain is pleasure, and your argument does not consider individual interpretation of certain stimuli.

Of course I'm choosing death. Gonna happen anyways.

To Asandir & Gimmick - Why do you still choose to live?

At 8/9/11 03:55 AM, Emarius wrote: The point I was making is that that isn't logical. Most people, if faced with a high risk very low probability occurrence will not worry about it. Like for example, since most people don't want to die, if you presented people with a button that if pressed had a 1/1,000,000 chance of shocking them to death, I think most people would press it if there were some reward for doing so. We weigh risk and reward. I understand you're trying to say "It's not worth the risk" but most people, as the responses in this thread reflect, don't think that way.

I understand most people don't think that way, that's why I made this thread to try and change the way they think. Why do you think it's worth the risk?

Well as I said, I've been in physical pain that I would consider worse than that, but I never thought "Wow that was terrible, I should kill myself so it never happens again". It's just not what comes to most peoples mind. People generally have an inborn will to survive, and tend to think along those

lines.

I know it may not be what comes to mind when you experience pain but my point is that it is what SHOULD come to mind when you experience pain.

My position boils down to the opposite of yours: What if I told you there was a state of bliss and happiness that was so enjoyable, that no amount of pain is enough to stop you from striving for it?

Well there can't be both a pain that makes all pleasure not worth it and a pleasure that makes all pain worth it so I think it's a matter of imagining or recalling pleasures and pains and comparing them. Perhaps you don't feel pain as intensely as I do.

I wasn't trying to say that either necessarily exists. What I was just trying to point out is that one could argue the complete opposite with the same logic.

Again, absolutely right. The difference is whether the pain that makes all pleasure not worth it exists or a pleasure that makes all pain worth it exists. I guess my role in this thread has been reduced to vouching for the existence of the former.

I'm happy you posted in this thread, you enlightened me for the first time to something I missed - that is that people need to first be able to imagine that pain that hurts so bad that not even the most pleasurable experience would make risking feeling it worth it actually EXISTS before they can understand and agree with my point.

At 8/9/11 09:39 AM, MultiCanimefan wrote: False.

You're assuming from the get-go that pain is only worth it if there's a pleasurable counter-balance after-wards. What defines pain and pleasure is entirely up to each individual. Dividing life into simply pain and pleasure is over-simplifying one's existence and trivializes the experiences we are able to have.

Let's define pain as a feeling one wants to avoid and pleasure as a feeling one wants to have. As in life there are only feelings one wants to avoid, have, or is indifferent towards. I'm here to vouch for the fact that in life you're risking feeling a pain that you'd want to avoid so badly that any pleasure you could have that you'd want still wouldn't be worth having if you had to risk feeling that pain.

Life is not an equation we have to balance.

Secondly, life cannot be analyzed in the way you're choosing. Risk-analysis? Is that the ONLY valid way to see your life? For some, pain is pleasure, and your argument does not consider individual interpretation of certain stimuli.

Yes, I actually do believe risk analysis is the only valid way to evaluate whether you should live your life or not. Why do you disagree? If for some individual something that would be painful to someone else is pleasurable to that individual then that is pleasure for that individual. I'm saying that there are possible experiences which are painful and not subject to interpretation like being burned on fire.

At 8/9/11 11:56 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: To Asandir - Why do you still choose to live?

Well, first of all, I ilke to live, and I acknowledge that I could have a different view on the matter when I would be under agonizing pain, but still then, my beliefs would give me the will to continue to live and to die normally, without committing suicide.

I am surprised this thread is still going on. Some people fail to see the decency in life, and that's all there is to it. Some people have a will to live for others and for their own goals, because death is the end, like an eternal sleep. I can't imagine a worse punishment other than an extreme torture in your own life (which you would have to bring upon yourself.)

I can feel myself age... its agonizing... I've got to blow my brains out!

This is almost taken word for word from your thread that got deleted. Don't repost a thread after it is removed. Also, your argument is still filled with the same logical fallacies that were in the last one. Stop posting suicide bait.

At 8/9/11 11:56 AM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote:

Why do you disagree?

Depending on what exactly that pain is, the chance of it happening varies greatly. If someone uses risk analysis and finds, say, that stubbing their toe is greater than any pleasure they could possibly experience, by your logic that person is of sane body and mind to end their life.

However, that makes little sense because the odds of stubbing your toe are much, much greater than being set on fire or losing your family and everything you ever had and spiraling into a deep depression of pain and agony.

Also, if that's someone's greatest pain, they have no priorities to speak of. So really, it depends on each person. What you seem to think is that whatever you believe to be "a pain that you'd want to avoid so badly that any pleasure you could have that you'd want still wouldn't be worth having if you had to risk feeling that pain" is the same for everybody.

I'm saying that there are possible experiences which are painful and not subject to interpretation like being burned on fire.

But the odds of that happening are very low, therefore, it only makes logical sense to live your life in spite of that risk.

Yes, the risk STILL is there, but why end your life over a less than 1% chance?

At 8/8/11 11:32 PM, So-Smart-s0-Dumb wrote: You should seriously choose to die because if you're not dead you can feel a pain that hurts so bad that no matter how much pleasure you can get by risking feeling it, it is still not worth risking feeling it.

Not that I disagree with you, but you are naive and foolish.

At 8/9/11 01:46 PM, Skeepsis wrote: Most people who commit suicide do it because they feel the world will be better off without them. No one wants to exist feeling like a worthless entity.

And they're wrong. No one is useless. Every single person on this planet has a chance to make a difference, no matter who big or small it may be.

I seriously doubt that there is some kind of pain that I would rather die than maybe, probably not have the chance to someday possibly experience, that no amount of good things could ever diminish or make it worthwhile. If there is, please let me know what could possibly be so painful.

I choose to live because the OP is just a pussy who is afraid to take chances.

Sure is emo in here.

CRAAWWWLING IIINNN MY SKIIINN

At 8/9/11 05:25 PM, Blaze-Heatnix wrote: Sure is emo in here.

CRAAWWWLING IIINNN MY SKIIINN

Couldn't have said it better myself, no need to spread depression through the forum.

if your dead, you cant do anything else, either. you cant love, hate, listen to music, troll, or god forbid, use newgrounds.

Quoting SSBS or whatever his name is, "How stupid is it legal to be?".

Back in the basement, hippie! Now!