At 8/9/11 07:46 PM, simple-but-sandy wrote: Once again, it's illegal to defend your property in this country.

What really? So if something is getting stolen you're suppose to let it get stolen? Fuck that.

At 8/9/11 07:49 PM, simple-but-sandy wrote: Well, self defence with any degree of force is. You can push someone but that's about it. No clubbing burglars to death for instance.

Are you speaking from a legal perspective? Have you had any legal training or experience?

I find it highly unreasonable that any jury would convict someone for defending their own home against a mob trying to break in.

At 8/9/11 07:50 PM, Narcissy wrote:

At 8/9/11 07:46 PM, simple-but-sandy wrote: Once again, it's illegal to defend your property in this country.

What really? So if something is getting stolen you're suppose to let it get stolen? Fuck that.

You're allowed to use "reasonable and proportionate force." I think that's near enough a direct quote, so basically you can smash them up if they're in your house but you can only use lethal force if you have genuine concern that your life is at risk. Like you see a gun or a knife in their hands you're allowed to stab the fucker.

At 8/9/11 07:48 PM, citricsquid wrote: No, I wouldn't, but at the same time I wouldn't call for them to be maimed. I would expect the perpetrators to be punished as the law states. If I'm unhappy with how the law punishes these people then I'd move to a country that I was happy with their punishments... maybe you should try the same, American doesn't seem to go as far as you would like either, have you considered Iran? I hear they're spot on for the type of punishment you like.

When you have rioters that out number the cops you can't just write them up on charges to stop them! You have to use brute force to get them under control. You have to scare them into not wanting to continue doing what they are doing.

My country is fine. My state just beefed up our rights. We can now kill someone who is threatening our lives in our home, in our yard, etc, and not have to worry as much about being sued or punished for using deadly force.

At 8/9/11 07:49 PM, simple-but-sandy wrote: Well, self defence with any degree of force is. You can push someone but that's about it. No clubbing burglars to death for instance.

I'm studying Law atm and yeah the force has to be "Reasonable" so basically If they have a gun you are allowed to shoot them if they have nothing you can punch them but nothing beyond restraint

At 8/9/11 07:48 PM, citricsquid wrote:

:: No, I wouldn't, but at the same time I wouldn't call for them to be maimed. I would expect the perpetrators to be punished as the law states. If I'm unhappy with how the law punishes these people then I'd move to a country that I was happy with their punishments... maybe you should try the same, American doesn't seem to go as far as you would like either, have you considered Iran? I hear they're spot on for the type of punishment you like.

Read up: http://www.philly.com/philly/news/local/
124251974.html

If these looters came at my house with a fire bomb their brains would be relocated all over the street.

At 8/9/11 07:46 PM, simple-but-sandy wrote:

At 8/9/11 07:43 PM, WadeFulp wrote: These people need to do a better job defending their property.

Once again, it's illegal to defend your property in this country.

Which is odd, becuase the people who follow that law are also the people whose property is most likely to get attacked.

I'm beginning to think that our government hates us chaps...

This guy is the perfect example of someone getting shafted by your description of British law.

At 8/9/11 07:55 PM, All-American-Badass wrote:

At 8/9/11 07:46 PM, simple-but-sandy wrote:

At 8/9/11 07:43 PM, WadeFulp wrote: These people need to do a better job defending their property.

Once again, it's illegal to defend your property in this country.

Which is odd, becuase the people who follow that law are also the people whose property is most likely to get attacked.

I'm beginning to think that our government hates us chaps...

This guy is the perfect example of someone getting shafted by your description of British law.

He kinda did kinda over-react He didn't even fire off a warning shot he just killed them whilst they posed no direct violent threat. Although I do think you shoulod have the right to defend your property you also can't just go on a rampage killing people

Greater Manchester Police are tweeting that things are now quieting down in the city centre. Really hoping it stays like that because I want to be down there on Friday. The only news that I'm waiting for now is the bus station and what not opening up again in the centre.

I suppose we Americans are simply surprised, and maybe a little shocked, by what we consider lack of security implementation and rightful force utilization(according to our standards) by the authorities.I mean if this kind of shit was happening in D.C. and outlying cities you know they would have riot police cracking some skulls, arresting.

I looked over the links people have posted about English defense law, and I must say. Maybe its time for a repeal...

Brixton has sorted itself out, what was a major spot for intense rioting last night is now chilling to some sweet jazz, hah i think that's pretty cool. Also repairs are up and going in Manchester it's quietening down, gonna risk getting flamed in 10 minutes when it kicks off again but maybe this will all be over soon.

Merseyside Police are advising people to avoid the Park Road South area in Birkenhead, where a number of vehicles are on fire.

I personally think that a person should have the right to defend their property with whatever degree of force seems necessary. If a mob tries to break into my house, I don't want to have to worry about being taken to court and charged with GBH.

At 8/9/11 08:00 PM, CharltonChinchilla wrote: gonna risk getting flamed in 10 minutes when it kicks off again but maybe this will all be over soon.

I'm thinking the same thing to be honest, like I've previously said. I think we've seen the peak of all this trouble now. I think there might still be small outbursts tomorrow night, but I don't think it will be anything near as significant as we saw tonight and last night.

Hopefully these little thugs have realised that they're not achieving anything.

At 8/9/11 08:02 PM, Lunaful wrote: Isn't the Legal context/line drawn between "reasonable" and Deadly" force?

Yes, but the onus is on you to prove that the force used was "reasonable". What I'm saying is that I don't think you should have to prove that you were using reasonable force if your property is under threat.

It's one of the most primal instincts to defend our homes as ardently as possible. It's a slap in the face to be taken to court by someone who broke into your home.

At 8/9/11 08:00 PM, Slawter wrote: Merseyside Police are advising people to avoid the Park Road South area in Birkenhead, where a number of vehicles are on fire.

Apparently there's been a number of shops in the town centre that have had windows smashed. Considering the points where they said that were victims of the riots, I think my mum's workplace got hit. She really shouldn't go to work tomorrow if Birkenhead has gone to hell tonight.

At 8/9/11 08:14 PM, Lunaful wrote: Where do we draw the line like?

Why should we have to draw a line? The person breaking into your home clearly hasn't.

Not sure if animated gif is accepted so..... here
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa230 /ManUtd28/parloot.gif

At 8/9/11 08:20 PM, Aprime wrote: Not sure if animated gif is accepted so..... here
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa230 /ManUtd28/parloot.gif

Not sure if it was an act of vigilantism or someone who wanted to cause more havoc.

suddenly America isnt looking so bad...

At 8/9/11 08:25 PM, Snuffaluffegis wrote: suddenly America isnt looking so bad...

wo wo wo let's not be to hasty now shall we? :P

This animated one is even worse

At 8/9/11 08:20 PM, Aprime wrote: Not sure if animated gif is accepted so..... here
http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa230 /ManUtd28/parloot.gif

I posted that one or two pages back :)

Well, BBC news channel has gone on to some Asian economy crap so I'm going to call it a night. Hopefully this time tomorrow the news will be better.

At 8/9/11 08:31 PM, Aprime wrote: This animated one is even worse

Dear God :O the Looters have trained Seagulls to steal. THE END IS NIGH

At 8/9/11 08:31 PM, Aprime wrote: This animated one is even worse

Fucking looters! In broad daylight too!

Class A cunt, mate sent me this who lives in London and apparently these are all stolen by hima and he's trying to flog em. They're Iphone 4's 16g

At 8/9/11 08:38 PM, CharltonChinchilla wrote: Class A cunt, mate sent me this who lives in London and apparently these are all stolen by hima and he's trying to flog em. They're Iphone 4's 16g

Can I have one for free? Lol jk but I'm sure they have serial keys on so they could Idetify whether they are stolen

At 8/9/11 08:38 PM, CharltonChinchilla wrote: Class A cunt, mate sent me this who lives in London and apparently these are all stolen by hima and he's trying to flog em. They're Iphone 4's 16g

Damn, surely it'd be better for him to sell them on the streets rather than online. More incognito. Hopefully the guy can be tracked.

Any news from round NG member areas? No reports coming out of Birmingham. Asian communities have been fighting back against the rioters in Aston alongside the police and are apparently doing a bloody good job!

At 8/9/11 08:46 PM, Jon wrote:

At 8/9/11 08:38 PM, CharltonChinchilla wrote: Class A cunt, mate sent me this who lives in London and apparently these are all stolen by hima and he's trying to flog em. They're Iphone 4's 16g

Damn, surely it'd be better for him to sell them on the streets rather than online. More incognito. Hopefully the guy can be tracked.

Any news from round NG member areas? No reports coming out of Birmingham. Asian communities have been fighting back against the rioters in Aston alongside the police and are apparently doing a bloody good job!

Yeah man.I heard that as well.Good for them.Its because in Pakistan if you start a fight you better know how to end because you dont have emergency vehicles coming to save your butt.My dad told me that they will sooner leave you on the side of the road bleeding to the death.Village justice and all...

Reports of riots in CARDIFF in the last few minutes! DJ Sports in Cardiff Bay