Why is music being good or bad such a big issue? In the 1948 novel, 1984, George Orwell presents the idea that reality is what the majority believes. So if the majority believes Obama is a good president, he is a good president because he has pleased the majority (Bad example). If the majority believes Justin Bieber is a good singer then he is, because he managed to please the majority. But George Orwell also presents the idea that maybe there is no reality outside your mind, and in this sense, what you think is reality. Of course, there is a reality outside our minds (Or is there?) so this probably translates to what you believe is reality, is reality to YOU! So if you believe John Mcain would've been a better president, that is YOUR reality, but however, since the MAJORITY believes that Obama is better, then that is the reality outside our minds. This applies to music too. You know those top 10 lists? In the reality outside our minds, these official top 10 lists are correct, because the majority agrees with them. But of you disagree, then in the reality inside your mind that list is INCORRECT. Right now, I'm listening to Amon Amarth, a death metal band. My favorite bands are Iron Maiden (Heavy Metal) Judas Priest (Heavy Metal) and Blind Gaurdian (Speed Metal). In MY reality, these are good bands, but in a pop lovers reality, they are not. So telling a Bieber fan Bieber sucks, or telling me that Iron Maiden sucks is like telling the sane portion of the world that gravity pulls us towards the sky and that we need nitro glycerin to breath instead of oxygen. So remember when you tell a Bieber fan that Bieber sucks, he/she reacts negatively because in his/her reality, Justin Bieber is good. You may think that they're insane, but they probably think the exact same about you.
TL;DR There is no good music or bad music, only opinion.
Not such a stupid, immature 12 year old anymore huh?
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In other news, most modern pop and rap really is shit, no matter where you look at it from.
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Music has objective and subjective qualities.
At 7/9/11 07:52 PM, LucasJC wrote: In the 1948 novel, 1984, George Orwell presents the idea that reality is what the majority believes. So if the majority believes Obama is a good president, he is a good president because he has pleased the majority (Bad example). If the majority believes Justin Bieber is a good singer then he is, because he managed to please the majority.
stopped reading here. those two examples don't support George Orwell's idea at all.
stopped reading here. those two examples don't support George Orwell's idea at all.
I was using the party's view of the interpretation. Remember when O'brien was talking to Winston about how if they both believed he was floating then he'd be floating?
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At 7/9/11 07:52 PM, LucasJC wrote:Not such a stupid, immature 12 year old anymore huh?
Did you type all of that to prove that you're not immature? You still are btw.
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At 7/9/11 08:07 PM, Space-Whale wrote:At 7/9/11 07:52 PM, LucasJC wrote:Did you type all of that to prove that you're not immature? You still are btw.Not such a stupid, immature 12 year old anymore huh?
WHY YOU SON OF A- Know what? I'm not gonna get pissed this time, just to prove my maturity.
*Takes deep breath*
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At 7/9/11 08:03 PM, LucasJC wrote:stopped reading here. those two examples don't support George Orwell's idea at all.I was using the party's view of the interpretation. Remember when O'brien was talking to Winston about how if they both believed he was floating then he'd be floating?
That didn't quite literally mean that was what reality would be. O'Brien was saying that to Winston as a way to explain that the party has complete control over everything, including people's thoughts
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That didn't quite literally mean that was what reality would be. O'Brien was saying that to Winston as a way to explain that the party has complete control over everything, including people's thoughts
In MY reality he was being literal :3. But whether or not it is true to George Orwell's ideas, the argument still stands. Now I can take credit for the whole thing! :3
"You can't be careful on a skateboard man." - some kid
That's deep bro.
You ever thought about being a professional Thinker?
You ask me "does good music/bad music exist?"
I tell you that your question is a false dichotomy.
Good and bad music exists, yet it does not.
In noumena, where exist only things-in-themselves, free will is the primary mover.
In the world of phenomena these movements are represented to subjects (you, me or any other NGer) as the result of an indeterminable number of causes of experience.
The difference is key.
Judgments pertaining to experience cannot be applied to noumena.
In this distinction lies the essence of modern metaphysics.
Pure reason is relegated to the realm of noumena while universal laws govern the realm of phenomena.
At 7/9/11 07:52 PM, LucasJC wrote:Not such a stupid, immature 12 year old anymore huh?
Yes, actually. This proves it.
Anyways, by going by this logic, if I truly believe that there is a dragon outside of my window just waiting for me to come out so it can feast on my insides, it's true? No. I'm not buying it.
At 7/9/11 08:16 PM, AceGrayson wrote: That's deep bro.
You ever thought about being a professional Thinker?
Technically, anybody who has a job is a professional thinker. You're being paid to do SOMETHING, be it run a country or work at McDonalds, both jobs require thinking, since moving also requires thinking. So since thinking is part of moving you are paid to think, making you a professional thinker.
At 7/9/11 08:22 PM, DiseasedAfrican wrote
At 7/9/11 07:52 PM, LucasJC wrote:Not such a stupid, immature 12 year old anymore huh?
Yes, actually. This proves it.
Anyways, by going by this logic, if I truly believe that there is a dragon outside of my window just : waiting for me to come out so it can feast on my insides, it's true? No. I'm not buying it.
No.The idea is that if you truly believe in something, then it is YOUR reality. It doesn't necessarily mean others see or believe it, but it means that in your head YOU see it, in YOUR reality. If you believed that your penis was three kilometers long then obviously, since you believe it you THINK it's true, and you THINK you KNOW it's true. This is YOUR perception of reality. If you see a dragon outside your house you are obviously insane, but it would be your perception of reality, just as someone who thinks that they're Julius Caesar is insane. But even though they are NOT Julius Caesar, they think they are and it is their perception of reality. In 1984, Obrien was explaining this to Winston using the example that if he thought he was floating, and Winston thought that Obrien was floating, since them being the only people in the room at the time, Obrien would be floating. Winston argued that in the real world filled with particles and molecules, this would not be true. Obrien's counter was that reality to you is what your mind perceives it to be. If everybody and everything in existence believed that rocks are divine beings from the planet Fuckfart that arrived at earth 2 billion years ago with the goal of ejaculating all over the planet, but the reason they can't do so is because their home planet had no gravity so they can't move on earth, then would it really make a difference if it was actually true? If everyone believed it, and there was no way that anyone would stop believing it, then how would they find out that it's not true? It's hard to explain, it's kind of something you have to understand by yourself.
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And now this beautiful philosophical thread... Is dead.
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so here i am, just browsing the BBS when this wall of text bitch slaps me.
At 7/9/11 07:55 PM, Piss wrote: Singers who can't sing, musicians who can't play, and composers/writers who can't write. Combine them all and you can have something that can be defined as truly bad music.
This or plain fucktards who don't even try.
Pretend not to care about anything, but be bothered by everything.
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You see however music is an opinion, there are some people who are more musically educated, and thus their opinion is worth more.
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*sob* This thread had so much potential! And now it's dead...
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At 7/10/11 12:40 AM, LucasJC wrote: *sob* This thread had so much potential! And now it's dead...
Shut up faggot.
So if I make a song which consists of me making fart noises for 7 minutes with an overlay of someone scraping nails along a blackboard, that isn't a "bad" song?
I think you're still stupid.
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At 7/10/11 12:40 AM, LucasJC wrote: *sob* This thread had so much potential! And now it's dead...
It's a thread killer when someone says "This thread is gold". But you say that yourself then the thread needs to die.
At 7/10/11 12:41 AM, ProtomanBlues wrote:At 7/10/11 12:40 AM, LucasJC wrote: *sob* This thread had so much potential! And now it's dead...Shut up faggot.
*ding* We have a winner.
This is like judging good and bad art. It's pretty easy to tell the amount of skill involved, and once you get there people don't judge you based on style (or in this case, genre). But, however, it's pretty to tell the amount of sheer skill and thought involved with art, music, or books.
There's nothing really philosophical about it. People feel the same way about Abstract Artists, the ones who practice absolutely no thought in their works and yet still make massive amounts of money off it.
In art, we have Abstract Artists (and quite occasionally manga). In music, we have Pop. And in literature, we have Twilight.
At 7/10/11 12:46 AM, Natick wrote: Here's some hardcore truth for you: Mozart is good music. Period. Don't argue. You don't believe me, then listen to it. Not in the background or while you're driving or to put you to sleep. I mean, really sit down and LISTEN to it.
Now, if you have the nerve to tell me the Bieber is still better, then I congratulate you on destroying all the opinions you ever had on music because let me tell you another thing: BABIES understand Mozart. If you still think auto-tune is better, okay. Your loss.
Btw, what's Bieber's top song right now?
I don't give two fucks about Justin Bieber, his music is like putting meat grinders on my ears. But I repect people who do like him. I'm a metal enthusiast, not a pop enthusiast. In your opinion, mozart is good. In mine, he sucks ass. It doesn't mean his music is actually bad, it just means that music is music and that people are entitled to their opinions. And autotune takes no talent, that's something that doesn't defy my rant.
And I don't know what his top song is because I DONT FUCKIN LISTEN TO HIM.
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That homeless person beating his sock against a trashlid at 86 BPM..
that guy's a fuckin genius.
I think that there is no such thing as good and bad music. Justin Bieber isn't "bad" and The Beatles aren't "good". There is only music that you personally enjoy and music that you do not enjoy. Opinions yo.
For I am and forever shall be... a master ruseman.
TL;DR There is no good music or bad music, only opinion.
Not such a stupid, immature 12 year old anymore huh?
take a half hour on youtube looking for some music and im pretty sure you can find music that'll fall on the negative side of your own opinion. with that being said there is some music that tends to get near universal agreement as good music.
look at classical masterpieces as proof because there are reasons why they have stayed popular for so long.
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