One-time playthrough in new RE shit

[idiot-monarch]

Capcom tries to kill used video game sales with the one-save game

"It's been confirmed that Resident Evil: Mercenaries 3D for the Nintendo 3DS is a game that once finished, cannot be reset for complete replay. According to both the U.S. and U.K. game's instruction manual "saved data on this software cannot be reset.""

"Basically what Capcom has done is make Mercenaries 3D a one-time play affair. Once you've unlocked all the goodies and played the entire game, you will not be able to erase the game's save data and start fresh as if it were a new copy. Consider this: lending Mercenaries 3D to a friend, a little brother or sister will be worthless because they'll only be able to continue playing the game with your saved settings and create their own."

I get that publishers don't get money from used games, but this is not the way to combat it. In fact, better just leave it alone, make a quality game and hope that the consumer will support your good product and business conduct with their wallets, but I digress. What this basically means is that you're purchasing a one-time pass. A $60 movie ticket for what is probably a 5 hour turd. An honest buyer who wants to replay the game in a year? Tough fucking luck.

Anyone who buys this game with this system in place is supporting the destruction of gaming.

[zooos]

Great, so this is going to be like the new DRM(for console gaming). Because they are so concerned with every little profit, they are going to penalize customers who have paid for a game. Good thing I don't have a 3DS, if I did I wouldn't buy this.

Why don't they just buy the games back themselves and re-sell them. I'm sure it's not hard to beat second hand gaming shop's prices.

I've lost respect for Capcom.

[Blaze-Heatnix]

Fucking pathetic.

[ImaSmartass2]

Why doesn't the article mention how it it'll effect the video game rental business?

[sweet21]

Oh man game developers are resorting to so many ways for money it ridiculous. Everything from over-priced and totally not worth it DLC to online passes, and now you can't play the game again? But what if you really liked the game and wanted to play again? I say the better option would be to keep it to one console. At least then it wouldn't bite the ass of the person who PAID for a new copy.

[mrpwnzer]

Huh...

I'm going to the gamefaqs board to see if people already know about this.
*goes to gamefaqs*
Oh wow over 110 posts! There must be a lot of hate going on in there.
*clicks topic*
...and they support it.
Dumb fucks

Why would they do this? To protect their profits? Great...it's like a DRM pretty much or what EA does in order to play Dragon Age DLC on the PC.

[zooos]

What I'll never get is is obviously these lost sales are crippling because companies still make tremendous profit and still keep producing games. They are just being greedy fucking bastards.

[Blaze-Heatnix]

The sad thing is, someone in this thread's eventually going to say "GOD FORBID A COMPANY MAKE MONEY HURR DURR" completely missing the point and blindingly supporting them just because they made a game they happened to like.

[Thegluestickman]

The funny thing is, these kind of rash DRM decisions ultimately lead to the most piracy.

Look at Spore for example:
EA honestly believed it would be the most secure game of its time, but just two days before the Australian Release it was pirated without the DRM. It was 2008's most pirated game. All because EA tried secure investments.

The industry needs to stop treating people like idiots. People vote with their wallets, not with how secure a game is. A game that is genuine fun will receive more purchases than a one time deal. You don't but a movie only to watch it once and never be able to watch it again. Guaranteed if it wasn't for it being on the 3DS the game wold be pirated to hell.

[sweet21]

At 6/27/11 07:31 PM, Blaze-Heatnix wrote: The sad thing is, someone in this thread's eventually going to say "GOD FORBID A COMPANY MAKE MONEY HURR DURR"

Yup. I always think it's kind of stupid when someone says that. Especially in a situation like this.

[kiljoy96]

What the fuck is wrong with modern gaming? This is all fucking bullshit. If I'm going to spend money on a game, I want a challenging, full, beta tested game that has something innovative and fun about the gameplay that I can play for hours and hours. I don't want a game that I can't replay. I don't want a rehash of last year's game, which is just a rehash of the previous year's game. This is fucking bullshit.

[darkrchaos]

It's funny because they do it to get money but in the end they're going to lose more money

[Viri]

Suddenly, pirates aren't bad at all compared to used games!

This is what really sickens me, and it just proves that the modern video game industry is just getting worse, and worse, and worse as time passes until gamers stop taking bullshit like this. Everyone is so concerned with money, and profit nowadays, they don't give a rat's ass about the consumer, but their money. I believe Zooos made a thread about it a little while ago, but it's the consumers that are destroying the industry by eating shit up, and letting things escalate this far.

I don't really understand why Publishers/Mainstream Developers think they NEED to do this shit. There are plenty of great examples where you don't need to put bullshit into your game, effecting the product, and you still make millions. Notch is a great modern example of this. No DRM, nothing. Lots of people pirated it, and still do, but tons of those pirates bought the game after this. Notch didn't care about piracy, he didn't try to combat it. he was just a good dev, making a good game. And most pirates wont simply steal something if it's great, and the developers have a good attitude. id is another good example, hell their shit started as freeware and they made tons of money. Same with the Serious Sam devs.

You build a fanbase, and the money will just roll in, you really don't need to make sure it does. All they're doing by pulling this shit is making people NOT want to buy their game. Though I'm sure tons of people will still buy it since consumers are complete pushovers.

Seriously, no one fucking buy this game. We need to put our values above entertainment (assuming someone really wants this game), and not buy it.

Pretty sure I trailed off a bit from the current subject, so yeah, sorry.

[RazorHawk]

Awesome, the little interest I actually had for this game is now completely gone. Besides the fact basing an entire RE game based off of the repetitive Mercenaries minigame mode wasn't pathetic enough, they go ahead and do something obscenely stupid like this. All they've really done is just motivate the pirates even further. Frankly, I'm not interested in a half-baked game with far less content than an actual RE game, and then having this to deal with.

The entire gaming industry is turning into one vampire trying to suck the blood of another, and in the end, only the customer who actually pays for the game suffers for it.

[KiDX05]

Lets make this a simple debate what would you do in their shoes let people buy your game that you spent years on to make & not receive anything whilst the game stores keep it all to themselves or punish those who purchase it pre-owned slowly killing the side of the game market that kills your profit region.

I'd rather buy a game knowing the money is going to them & not just gamestop or eb or whatever... stop thinking of your own wallet, they are COMPANYS & in this day & age with so many pre-owned sales they have to combat it somehow, maybe we should start treating pre-ownd games as pirate copys since you're not giving the creator any cash for them.

I personally am all for cockblocking people who buy pre-owned.

[RazorHawk]

At 6/27/11 10:06 PM, KiDX05 wrote: Lets make this a simple debate what would you do in their shoes let people buy your game that you spent years on to make & not receive anything whilst the game stores keep it all to themselves or punish those who purchase it pre-owned slowly killing the side of the game market that kills your profit region.

I'd rather buy a game knowing the money is going to them & not just gamestop or eb or whatever... stop thinking of your own wallet, they are COMPANYS & in this day & age with so many pre-owned sales they have to combat it somehow, maybe we should start treating pre-ownd games as pirate copys since you're not giving the creator any cash for them.

I personally am all for cockblocking people who buy pre-owned.

The thing is, what difference does it make whether a person buys the used game from Gamestop versus buying it from someone at a garage sale or on Ebay? Nothing. Gamestop just takes the risk of taking on a used game they may or may not be able to sell sometime in the future and tried to resell it.

Your argument makes no sense either. If I buy anything from a garage sale, should the original manufacturer of that item come after me because the money is going to the person who originally brought it as opposed to them? No, once the game has been sold to the end user, the end user is allowed to do whatever they like with it, as long as its legal. And selling it to another person is legal. Imagine how much anarchy there would be if used cars tried to do this as well, and suddenly I'm not able to sell my used car to get some cash that could be used toward a new one? What makes the gaming industry so special that they're suddenly excluded from this common business principle? Absolutely nothing.

Also, another concept you fail to recognize is depreciation. A used game from Gamestop will not be the clean, unscratched, pristine disc or cartridge you'd get from a totally new box that's never been opened. So yes, you're paying less because the game you're buying has already been handed down and has seen some wear and tear. You're paying less because the game is old, has already been played, and may have already been out for a while.

Sorry, but Capcom and all the other game developers that try to do this kind of thing have no excuse. Either deal with it, or find another industry to settle into.

[Viri]

At 6/27/11 10:06 PM, KiDX05 wrote: I personally am all for cockblocking people who buy pre-owned.

The problem with this though is that you're not just blocking people who buy pre-owned, you're blocking EVERYONE from playing the game past one playthrough, even those who legitamently bought the game for full price (which even without this bullshit is a ripoff). That's just fucked up, and is not right.

I really hope you don't support that.

[zooos]

At 6/27/11 10:06 PM, KiDX05 wrote: Lets make this a simple debate what would you do in their shoes let people buy your game that you spent years on to make & not receive anything whilst the game stores keep it all to themselves or punish those who purchase it pre-owned slowly killing the side of the game market that kills your profit region.

I'd rather buy a game knowing the money is going to them & not just gamestop or eb or whatever... stop thinking of your own wallet, they are COMPANYS & in this day & age with so many pre-owned sales they have to combat it somehow, maybe we should start treating pre-ownd games as pirate copys since you're not giving the creator any cash for them.

I personally am all for cockblocking people who buy pre-owned.

It'd be one thing if it effected second hand buyers exclusively (IE MK9's Kombat pass that comes with a copy of the game), but this effects the people who are buying it directly (the company receives money). That's just how some DRM effect legitimate customers as opposed to "fending off pirates". It also doesn't help them when companies are becoming more and more persistent with releasing buggy games(or completely garbage game's like the ones that capitalize on pop culture items).

Why punish your customers when in reality you should be trying to go after the companies, who are taking away potential profits(Gamestop, EB Games)? That's similar to trying to catch a suspect but in the process you charge the victim.

Even then companies are becoming to controlling with their products, people seem not to realize that companies are trying to gain more and more ownership of things we've paid for. The recent modding situation with certain systems comes to mind. I can go to a grocery store, buy a bunch of apples and do what I want with those apples. Whether it be sharing, selling them, or wasting them, why should products like games be any different.

Not to mention as I've previously said they are getting greedier. They obviously make enough profit to continue what they are doing, otherwise they wouldn't still be in business, but they just want more and more. I hate when they overact to potential sales. I understand a company needs profit and the point of a business is to make money, but it's becoming more and more apparent that that is the main focus.

People need to start taking a stand and see a bigger picture, they also should be thinking about their wallets because that's what people worry about. I'm sorry if I show no sympathy to a company who makes huge amounts of money and is complaining because they want more and only care about my wallet, if I'm broke they aren't going to pay for things I need(Not implying games come over essentials but yea). How long until clothing companies start going after people who hand down clothes or sell them? The same with other products and businesses, if we keep letting it go this way we're all fucked.

/wall

[sweet21]

Hey I know a way to fix this! Here is how it works. New game comes out for $60. you beat it get bored, and trade it back to gamestop. You only get $15. Game then goes back up for $54. How about Gamestop gives devs. a chunk of the used game sale? 10% for each purchase at the very least. Their wallet isn't dented much but the small increase in profit will at least get game companies the money they need. Used games suddenly aren't the devil anymore and everyones happy.
BTW I think the only reason people want to buy used games is because new games are $60. It was hard enough getting a $50 game before but now, an extra $10 doesn't seem like alot, but considering games were $40 back in the PS2 and N64 era prices have certainly risen. Right?

[zooos]

At 6/27/11 11:57 PM, sweet21 wrote: post

I think a company would be better off buying copies of games(either giving more money back to a customer then game stop or some other store would) and then the company selling the used copies themselves(either a through a website or get some type of deal going with places that carry new games to sell used games bought from the company).

Although I think Gamestop and such should be brought down and the companies who make games should just let second hand sales go.

[Pjanoo]

This is why the pirate bay is my best friend.

[SloppyMoe606]

Pirates pirate a game because they disagree with the companies ideas and standards.

Company does something to piss off the entire consumer base even more

Pirates quit?

[zooos]

At 6/28/11 12:15 AM, Pjanoo wrote: This is why the pirate bay is my best friend.

I think it's a silly reason to pirate, only because you show interest and companies more then likely document it as a potential sale. If we want to get companies to stop, we need to just completely stop ourselves from using their products, show no interest, and wait for change.

[Ragnarokia]

I love Resident Evil, however this is one of those cases I will just watch youtube to see the game through.

I love games with replay value as I love repeating the game. Games with no replay value suck. Games that force 0 replay value are just retarded. To make the cost worth it you need to be able to play for the amount of time the price fits, if you have no allowed replay value that basicly fucks that over and forces you to not be able to enjoy £20 or so of the game.

[Lost-Chances]

I love it that they'd rather try to combat piracy than make a game 100% of people enjoy. There is piracy, it will always exist. However, trying to get 100% of your market's money, especially through ways like this, will only lead to you getting a very small market, at best.

[Jackho]

Capcom is now worse than Activision. Discuss.

[Jackho]

At 6/27/11 10:06 PM, KiDX05 wrote: I personally am all for cockblocking people who buy pre-owned.

So you're perfectly OK with the fact that this game will be literally impossible to play through in 10 years time?
You're an idiot.

[Magic-Mushroom]

At 6/27/11 10:06 PM, KiDX05 wrote: I personally am all for cockblocking people who buy pre-owned.

You are such a fucking moron I don't have words for it. Just, how could anyone be such an idiot? I RE-FUCKING-FUSE to buy a 5 hour long game for $60 and only play it once.

[Jester]

The beginning of 2012.

[FlaminSquirrel]

At 6/27/11 10:06 PM, KiDX05 wrote: I personally am all for cockblocking people who buy pre-owned.

Used cars didn't ruin the car industry. Used movies and rentals didn't ruin the movie industry. Buying used games will not ruin the industry.