Christians can't go to heaven

[Psychopath]

This, in my opinion, is the perfect rebuttal for any Christians belief in God:

Charity is defined by giving to the needy without self benefit out of the goodness of ones heart. This is a Christian concept based around biblical figures named Faith, Hope and Charity.

Now and act of charity will make it more likely for you to go to heaven, so then it's not really charity, because the person committing the selfless act is not being selfless at all, because they benefit from the act in a particularly big way.

It's not an act of charity, it's a bargain, a transaction, a trade. To call oneself a Christian and say that anything you do is for the purpose of charity is a lie, which is a mark against god and gives you a one way ticket to hell.

However, to commit an act of charity without being a Christian is also a one way ticket to hell because you don't accept Christ.

However, to be a Christian and not give to charity is an act of hording and selfishness, which is also a chief sin; greed.

Regardless, you're going to hell.

Then you say "Now wouldn't it be nice if this place of ongoing eternal torture simply didn't exist and evolution was the true answer as to why we're here?"

[frigi]

I say we wont know for sure what is after death until we die.

[OMGhaxedlol]

Stick it to the christians!

[Smittytheghost]

Sir, all of your arguments make perfect sense.
HOWEVER, who ever told you charity gets you into Heaven is severely misled.
The same goes for not giving charity sends you to Hell.

We (Baptists, Christian sect) believe that You get to Heaven through Salvation, the act of allowing Christ into you and forgiving you of your sins.

Let it be known that I am not trying to start a debate of religion, merely pointing out tainted information.

[Rootledge]

Holy shit!

Someone found a flaw in the Bible!

[Psychopath]

At 6/25/11 09:33 AM, Smittytheghost wrote: Sir, all of your arguments make perfect sense.
HOWEVER, who ever told you charity gets you into Heaven is severely misled.

The same goes for not giving charity sends you to Hell.

Read Inferno. You know, the story about a character named Dante ending up in hell by accident and another character from hell called Virgil guides him through hell.

We (Baptists, Christian sect) believe that You get to Heaven through Salvation, the act of allowing Christ into you and forgiving you of your sins.

Which is not just defined by rectifying sins, but by committing acts of good in addition.

Let it be known that I am not trying to start a debate of religion, merely pointing out tainted information.

I'm running on the absolute basis as to what Christians have believe and have believed since the medieval ages.

[Yhtomit]

At 6/25/11 09:39 AM, phsychopath wrote:

At 6/25/11 09:33 AM, Smittytheghost wrote: Sir, all of your arguments make perfect sense.
HOWEVER, who ever told you charity gets you into Heaven is severely misled.

The same goes for not giving charity sends you to Hell.

Read Inferno. You know, the story about a character named Dante ending up in hell by accident and another character from hell called Virgil guides him through hell.

Inferno =/= Religious "Fact"

Christianity's basis is in the Bible, not any external works. Other literature may give interpretations or add some levels of understanding, but that does not put them straight into religious teachings.

Or atleast, it shouldn't, but most people forget that we get more of our ideas of hell through artists adding stuff from their own imagination than from the Bible itself, and do teach it as if it were biblical.

[Smittytheghost]

At 6/25/11 09:39 AM, phsychopath wrote::

Read Inferno. You know, the story about a character named Dante ending up in hell by accident and another character from hell called Virgil guides him through hell.

Inferno Isn't a Biblical story, merely religious themes

Which is not just defined by rectifying sins, but by committing acts of good in addition.

Rectification is all that is required. Good deeds affect you only in the mortal life

I'm running on the absolute basis as to what Christians have believe and have believed since the medieval ages.

Not all Christians believe the same thing. there are countless sects with different beliefs and systems. Christian simply means to believe in and worship God/Jesus. Baptists don't believe good deeds are necessary to get into Heaven.

[The-universe]

At 6/25/11 09:33 AM, Smittytheghost wrote: We (Baptists, Christian sect) believe that You get to Heaven through Salvation, the act of allowing Christ into you and forgiving you of your sins.

Replace "Christ" with baseball coach and replace "sins" with "naughtiness" and you've got yourself an awesome reality show.

[saltovergray]

I guess so, but this sort of reminds me of how extremely flawed Buddhism is.

In Buddhism, you are living a life of wanting no material or other possessions, want is supposed to be bad, yes? Well if you WANT Nirvana, how is it possible you will get it, since it against the belief? I don't know if I have been misinformed about their beliefs, but this is how I see it. Feel free to correct me.

[111122223138]

Quite the logical statement my fair sir.

And I did quite enjoy the last paragraph.

[HomicidialFrog]

Just by reading your post, I know you have no idea what Christianity even is besides what you've heard and you've never even looked it into detail but instead have decided to try and find flaws in a faith you don't know anything about. And so, I'm going to assume you're a complete idiot and I'm not going to correct you in your idiotic ramblings, but just nod politely as if you're a child telling me about his theory on how Superman farts nuclear bombs.

[IndigenousDigitalist]

Charity acts are far from the sole reason a person can get into Heaven. It is also judged on how you lived your life in accordance to the word of God, and all that good stuff. In the end, it is said (at least in Catholicism) that if you accept God into your life at your dying breath, he will forgive your sins and you can go to Heaven. So, even factoring in this theory you have, Christians will still be able to go to Heaven, but through other means.

[Esebtu]

At 6/25/11 09:21 AM, phsychopath wrote: Now and act of charity will make it more likely for you to go to heaven, so then it's not really charity, because the person committing the selfless act is not being selfless at all, because they benefit from the act in a particularly big way.

Of course it can be selfless and benificial (for me) at the same time. It's the reason why you're doing something that matters. When you do an act of charity out of selflessness, it's a good deed (let's keep it simple). If you benefit from it and you didn't have that in mind when you committed that act, it's just a nice bonus for you.

[IncendiaryProduction]

At 6/25/11 09:21 AM, phsychopath wrote: quote limit

Getting into heaven has nothing to do with charity. Nothing at all.

There is only one thing that determines whether or not you get into heaven, and that is belief in god and that Jesus saved you from your sins. Charity does not come into play.

Christians do not do go acts to be saved, they do them because they are saved.

[ModernPatriot]

I heard from somewhere that The Romans corruped The Bible so that people would follow it.

Inventing the idea of internal damnation.

[RWT]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Calvin

[CaveStoryGrounds]

You could have just said Cause heaven doesn't exist" as that would have been 100% accurate.

[IncendiaryProduction]

At 6/25/11 11:33 AM, ModernPatriot wrote: I heard from somewhere that The Romans corruped The Bible so that people would follow it.

Inventing the idea of internal damnation.

The Romans tried to exterminate Christians.

[satanbrain]

But there are biblical laws regarding charity so it can still be considered the "will of god".

[ChainsawNinjaZX]

I stopped reading around the third paragraph due to your lack of understanding of Christianity. Charity is simply not a bargain nor does it guarantee a place in heaven, or anything in heaven.

[Gerbil]

Except its preached that accepting Jesus as your savior is all you need to get to Heaven.

So there goes your logic

[Asandir]

At 6/25/11 12:10 PM, Gerbil wrote: Except its preached that accepting Jesus as your savior is all you need to get to Heaven.

So there goes your logic

Well, I thought that too, while all the arguments were logic, it seems like the op just picked the things he could use against the religion.

[Gerbil]

At 6/25/11 12:19 PM, Asandir wrote:

At 6/25/11 12:10 PM, Gerbil wrote: Except its preached that accepting Jesus as your savior is all you need to get to Heaven.

So there goes your logic

Well, I thought that too, while all the arguments were logic, it seems like the op just picked the things he could use against the religion.

Religion isn't something you can prove or disprove, not fully anyway.

At the end of the day I'm still going to have my beliefs, whether op finds a flaw or not

[Asandir]

At 6/25/11 12:23 PM, Gerbil wrote: Religion isn't something you can prove or disprove, not fully anyway.

At the end of the day I'm still going to have my beliefs, whether op finds a flaw or not

That is very true, I know that there are flaws in the bible, but I can feel the existance of god in my heart, and that is something that nobody can take away from me or from you.

[Lintire]

Oh look another religion thread with flawed logic. Haven't had one in a while. Thanks for filling that void with this topic, phsychopath! Hows that furry porn coming along? Good? Alllllrighty then.

Anyway, it was never stated, ever, that charities had anything to do with getting into heaven, or even charitable acts. Never to mention that what a person gives, just because they receive something in return, doesn't make the exchange not "charitable". It's the intent.

Not to mention that there's not a single action in the world that could make and not receive something, anything in return - you could kill yourself and someone could say you did it to get out of getting married.

So you know, thanks for making

[SuperSilver123]

Christianity (or any other religion, for that matter) is bullshit anyway whether the OP is right or wrong.

[Ryanson]

Adorable, OP tried attacking human logic with human logic and thinks he's put a stop to belief in God. Seriously, so cute!

[Lumber-Jax12]

Catholic teachings tells us that you don't get to heaven. God decides to take you and its totally up to him, I swear stop listening to the baptists, Calvinist or other protestant groups.

God decides who he wants to go to heaven, and in the event you're a good person and not christian, you won't be damned, no one is in the church. We can't even say 100% a man like Hitler is going to hell.

And no its not easier because even with all the science it still asks and answers the fundamental "HOW", never the fundamental "Why", and before you say they're the same thing, they're not, you can tell me how the sky is blue, but not why.

Basically if you're not familiar with the teachings of any religion, then don't talk about it.

[Rockyusa]

Charity is doing something out of the good of your heart for no personal gain or exchange. In a sense, you're right, but you aren't. When you perform an act of charity, if you do it out of the kindness of your heart, without expecting anything in return, then your intentions are pure. You don't do it expecting any materialized object or exchange, thus it really is charity.

But hey, I'm Catholic.