At 4/30/12 07:41 PM, AniMetal wrote:
What the fuck? Shadow thing is born, and now Renly's dead? What? Please tell me this is done much smoother and less... randomly than it is in the show. :/
In the book Renly's death is sudden and unexplained, you don't see the shadow born first. You later see another shadow born that kills one of Renly's bannermen who is still holding out in Storm's End, confirming that Melisandre was the source of Renly's killer.
The plot finally seems to be heating up Beyond the Wall, let's hope we get some legitimate action now. Personally, I couldn't give a damn about the "white walkers" but I am excited to see Mance Rayder's army of wildlings, as well as maybe the giants or "pale spiders large as hounds" - both of which have only been hinted at earlier on.
Don't get too excited, it doesn't really kick off until the start of A Storm of Swords. Mance hasn't even been cast yet. Closest we get this season is Rattleshirt, a lower down Wildling leader.
Honestly, I really am not following the Dany plot that much. It's just so boring, all these new characters from Qarth are so uninteresting and everyone knows this plot isn't going anywhere and that Dany does actually do anything until the fifth book.
Dany does even less in A Dance With Dragons than in A Clash of Kings. Her chapters are only interesting for the characters around her, most of whom should be showing up towards the end of this season. Also, look forward to the House of the Undying that Pyat Pree invited her too this week, it's one of the best parts of the book.
That little insight into Theon was a bit unnecessary. I had assumed, by this point, that he'd already have been at sea. But it was still cool to see him be the little pussy bitch that he is. haha
I liked Dagmer Cleftjaw not actually having a fucking cleftjaw. Also, besieging Torren's Square with one boat is pretty impressive, he's got 8 in the book.
I'm REALLY liking the Arya plot. I think it's a bit unrealistic that she happened to be discovered by Tywin, but if you role with it I think it's cool and it's a nice insight into Tywin - i'm really wondering who the two people she'll wish to kill are. Also, i'm really wondering what Gendry's role is now - at first I assumed he was pretty much there to protect Arya, but now i'm not so sure.
Arya choosing The Tickler as her first kill makes her look like a retard. In the book it's another of The Mountain's soldiers who has been cut from the show, who has previously beaten her, so she's angry and not thinking clearly. Picking The Tickler over Tywin or Joffrey just makes her look like she's not thinking about it properly.
It also means we don't get the INCREDIBLE scene from A Storm of Swords where she kills The Tickler herself, wildly stabbing him while screaming the same questions he repeatedly asked of his torture victims.
Also, i'm really fucking getting sick of Bran Stark. WE GET IT, YOU'RE HAVING DREAMS. WE DON'T CARE. I feel like he's been nothing but a total waste of screentime and space ever since he woke up from his coma.
It's actually Jojen Reed, son of Howland Reed, one of Ned's oldest friends and the only man still alive who knows what really happened at The Tower of Joy, who has the prophetic dreams in the book. He's been cut and the dreams given to Bran instead. Bran only has the dreams about being a wolf, not the ones about the sea coming to Winterfell.
On the topic of Starks, is it just me or does this show not give anywhere nearly enough justice to Robb Stark? Both first season and second.
Robb isn't actually a point of view character in the books, so you see even less of him. Things that we've seen this season like the battle at Oxcross we only hear about in the books, generally in Catelyn chapters. She's been moved into his camp to give him more screen time, since most of her story is actually set in Riverrun, which is also where Jaime is prisoner, which has been cut entirely, along with her father Hoster, brother Edmure and The Blackfish, her uncle.
Anyway, as for the real kicker of the episode, Renly's dead? What the actual fuck? I still can't get over this. Especially considering he was the only one of the "five kings" i really supported anyway. It's not even five kings now, now it's four. Fuck.
Technically there were never five kings. Balon doesn't declare himself King until after Renly is dead. Mance and Dany don't count.
Also, I still can't appreciate any of the characters on the Stannis front - Stannis, Mel and Davos are all just so boring and stale.
Davos is such a bro, one of my favourite characters. They're not doing him any justice in the show. I really like Stannis too, but more so in the later books.
Cool thing with Tyrion and the "wildfire" plot. I just wish there had been some mention of this chemical, even if it was only mentioned one or twice in dialogue, in earlier episodes. It was interesting to see Bronn actually talk for a change too. Also, I really can't stand Lancel's voice but maybe that's just me.
Wildfire basically comes out of nowhere in the books too. The whole thing about it being Cersei's idea isn't included, Tyrion decides to do it himself. Not sure why they had the bit about her ordering it really, maybe just to let Tyrion get another one over on her.
What do you guys think about the latest episode?
Not hugely impressed, if I'm honest. I strongly dislike having The Ticker be Arya's first death, and don't feel they handled Renly's death very well either. They cut out Loras Tyrell going mad with grief over Renly's death and cutting two of the Rainbow Guard down, which would have been nice to see if only to reinforce the fact that he's supposed to be a great warrior, something we've only heard about, never seen.
I am enjoying Arya and Tywin's interaction, though. It's Roose Bolton she serves as cupbearer for originally, and he doesn't have the same sort of relationship with her Tywin is developing.
Something I'm not clear on, has Jon actually left the Fist with Qhorin now? The trailer for next week has Ygritte in it, which means it has him ranging at some point during the episode, but he still needs to find the obsidian daggers and arrow heads, or Sam's going to be in a bit of trouble come the start of season 3.