Republicans, Be Diverse!

[Kwing]

Take a look at these demographics. Kind of disturbing, isn't it? I'd wondered about this for a while but didn't have the exact numbers until just now.

[LazyDrunk]

At 4/30/11 02:26 PM, Kwing wrote: Take a look at these demographics. Kind of disturbing, isn't it? I'd wondered about this for a while but didn't have the exact numbers until just now.

You actually wondered about this? In what way? I'm actually curious and interested in what the first person I've met who honestly cares about race-politics has to think about conservatisms foundation in white America.

I had wondered why the majority of worthless college professors leaned ideologically liberal. Then I found out about tenure, real world job security and unions.

As a middle class white spiritualist, I can tell you I vote nearer the Republican base than the democratic. It has to do with ideology, not race.... which is why I wonder about people who wonder about race-politics.

If anything, whites are the most diverse group of voters and citizens you'll come across. We've got it all, everything but a specially protected legal status.

[BrianEtrius]

What I'm surprised by is the lack of Hispanics in the GOP. Culturally and religiously Hispanics and Republicans are very similar, so what the hell is the GOP doing? If the Hispanic population is around 16%that's a good chunk of the population that the Republicans are screwing themselves by adapting this hard immigration policy.

[SmilezRoyale]

Blacks and Hispanics are more socially conservative than their white counterparts. The Civil libertarian wing of the Democratic party is, for the most part, just that, not what attracts these groups.

so it is a mistake to look at the generic democratic 'platform' as actually being one that attracts a diverse base of support.

[Iron-Hampster]

you can't target one audience without scaring away another. If they take less of a stance against gay marriage, all the "I want to maintain the sanctity of marriage but I divorced 5 times" people will vote for someone else. Same goes for immigration and abortion too.

[Warforger]

You could say Republicans are more unified then Democrats, which is sort of bad because that usually means they have more similar ideology and means that they won't allow for much divergent thought. I just hate it, parties in general shouldn't really exist IMO.

At 4/30/11 02:58 PM, BrianEtrius wrote: What I'm surprised by is the lack of Hispanics in the GOP. Culturally and religiously Hispanics and Republicans are very similar, so what the hell is the GOP doing? If the Hispanic population is around 16%that's a good chunk of the population that the Republicans are screwing themselves by adapting this hard immigration policy.

Just because they're part of the population doesn't mean they vote.

[LazyDrunk]

At 4/30/11 03:11 PM, Korriken wrote:

At 4/30/11 02:26 PM, Kwing wrote: Take a look at these demographics. Kind of disturbing, isn't it?

This just in! Democrats disproportionately non white!

well you liberal enjoy your little circle jerk, I'm gonna look for a real issue to debate.

I thought about going that route, too. The other way would've been to link to this . . .
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Proposal from Third Congressional District Republicans of Minnesota

Guiding Principles and Values
Individuals, businesses and the country succeed and prosper when government stays out of the way of those who lead the way with integrity, responsibility, charity, hard work, humility, courage, gratitude and hope.

Government has a role in our society - but that role is carefully enumerated in the United States Constitution. The Republican Party of Minnesota believes that a good government does not eclipse roles that are best carried out by individuals, families, houses of faith, charitable organizations or businesses.

1) America is a great nation; we are the "Shining City," an exemplar of virtues for all other nations and their people. The greatness of the American nation, the virtues of its people, and the success of the American experiment are a beacon of hope for the entire world.

2) Liberty is essential for our society to advance and prosper. The freedom to explore advances in culture, business, faith, science and government improves all of our lives; on the other hand, excessive government regulation and control hinders that development. The ability and freedom to disagree with each other and our government must also be protected; any hindrances to the free market of ideas will sap the ability of America to advance and to better herself.

3) We believe in the ability of the individual, by themselves or through families, businesses, groups and non-profit organizations, rather than the government to solve the problems of today and lead us into the future.

4) Faith is where we derive our moral compass and come to understand the eternal rules of order and rights which God himself has ordained. We believe each person needs to be free in order to explore his/her Faith.

5) Human Life is sacred; it must be protected at all stages.

6) The Family is among our society's most important institutions. Government must not be allowed to infringe on the sanctity of the family.

7) The Pursuit of Happiness is essential to our existence; we support equal opportunities not equal results.

8) Charity comes best from the heart of individuals and cannot be forced or coerced via taxation and regulation.

9) The law must be applied to everyone equally; no one is above the law.

10) Law abiding citizens must be trusted to defend their life, family and property.

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. . . and wonder if that describes a certain skin color-type preference. Honey attract bees, s'all I know.

[BrianEtrius]

At 4/30/11 03:41 PM, Warforger wrote: Just because they're part of the population doesn't mean they vote.

I agree, but if I were a Republican strategist, I would be targeting this area of the population, seeing how fast it's growing and how much support could be generated from this group. Ignoring such people could be harmful down the road.

[gumOnShoe]

At 4/30/11 04:11 PM, BrianEtrius wrote:

At 4/30/11 03:41 PM, Warforger wrote: Just because they're part of the population doesn't mean they vote.

I agree, but if I were a Republican strategist, I would be targeting this area of the population, seeing how fast it's growing and how much support could be generated from this group. Ignoring such people could be harmful down the road.

Too much of "the base" is concerned about "anchor babies."

[Warforger]

At 4/30/11 03:40 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: you can't target one audience without scaring away another. If they take less of a stance against gay marriage, all the "I want to maintain the sanctity of marriage but I divorced 5 times" people will vote for someone else. Same goes for immigration and abortion too.

You do realize the Democrats diversity ranges from very liberal to moderate Conservative right? While Republican diversity ranges from moderate Conservative to far right Conservative.

[Iron-Hampster]

At 4/30/11 09:01 PM, Warforger wrote:

At 4/30/11 03:40 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: you can't target one audience without scaring away another. If they take less of a stance against gay marriage, all the "I want to maintain the sanctity of marriage but I divorced 5 times" people will vote for someone else. Same goes for immigration and abortion too.

You do realize the Democrats diversity ranges from very liberal to moderate Conservative right? While Republican diversity ranges from moderate Conservative to far right Conservative.

yep, but i wouldn't even be arguing with you in the first place. They obviously appeal to the vast majority either way, otherwise they wouldn't be elected so often.

[LordZeebmork]

Well, yes. Republicans are more likely to be white, and whites are more likely to be Republican. So what? It looks to me like they didn't correct for income, and I'd bet income would explain a lot of this. People vote in their own self-interest, and minorities are more likely to be poor and culturally opposed to doing what is necessary to get out of poverty.

At 4/30/11 03:43 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

At 4/30/11 03:11 PM, Korriken wrote:

I thought about going that route, too. The other way would've been to link to this . . .
. . . and wonder if that describes a certain skin color-type preference. Honey attract bees, s'all I know.

Again, this is about culture and income. People who are above poverty level are more likely to be individualistic, and faith, as opposed to the broken (cf. Hume) Enlightenment holdover of glorifying reason to the point of faith, is... er, wait, the Enlightenment was a white people thing, and atheism is still mostly a white people thing, so I'm not sure if I quite understand what you're on about.

[Yorik]

Black people overwhelmingly love hip hop music.

Asian people overwhelmingly eat rice.

Jewish people overwhelmingly read Torah.

See how easy this game is? You can take all diversity away from any group just like that.

[DragonPunch]

I know, right? Bunch of racists...

[gumOnShoe]

At 5/3/11 10:12 PM, LordZeebmork wrote: Well, yes. Republicans are more likely to be white, and whites are more likely to be Republican. So what? It looks to me like they didn't correct for income, and I'd bet income would explain a lot of this. People vote in their own self-interest, and minorities are more likely to be poor and culturally opposed to doing what is necessary to get out of poverty.

At 4/30/11 03:43 PM, LazyDrunk wrote:

At 4/30/11 03:11 PM, Korriken wrote:

I thought about going that route, too. The other way would've been to link to this . . .
. . . and wonder if that describes a certain skin color-type preference. Honey attract bees, s'all I know.

Again, this is about culture and income. People who are above poverty level are more likely to be individualistic, and faith, as opposed to the broken (cf. Hume) Enlightenment holdover of glorifying reason to the point of faith, is... er, wait, the Enlightenment was a white people thing, and atheism is still mostly a white people thing, so I'm not sure if I quite understand what you're on about.

I disagree with your general idea here. Republicans and Democrats are mostly divided by Rural/Urban lines. Suburbia tends to be a mix, but still has a higher Republican rate on average (if I'm remembering correctly). While you do have a racial divide between those two settings as well, you have to remember that there are plenty of poor white people out there that vote republican.

I think most of it is that you have different lines of communication. Groups in suburbia & rurality are more insular. Their beliefs are often less challenged by their group, and most of their information comes from within the group. People in Urban cultures also have a bit of that but they are bombarded by close information all the time. Consider that the newest generation is decidedly more "liberal" than the older generation. What's the difference? The old generation didn't have the internet maybe?

I think most of the lines are drawn by what sources you have access to and which ones you believe trustworthy. White people, by location, generally choose the same sorts of information. Overlay that with any xenophobic views the average white person has and you get a more full formed picture.

That said, most republicans are actually poorer white people. And most of them are very religious. I don't want to say all of them use religion as a crutch, but I know several that do. And they carry that blind faith and "i know everything" attitude into politics. The few I'm thinking of in particular hold racist views as well, though they'd never own up to being racists.

There's something else going on, and its more to do with style of life. You live out in suburbia & rurality and you'll have more of a "get on by myself" attitude. You live in urbania and you'll be relying on others to get along often enough, be it networking to get a job or just living and being around others all the time. Each lifestyle is likely to influence your views in a specific way.

[Kenzu]

The article is called a "shocker" for republicans to be overwhelmingly white and religious.
How is that a shocker at all?

That's what most people would expect.

[Ranger2]

At 4/30/11 02:26 PM, Kwing wrote: Kind of disturbing, isn't it?

Horror of horrors! A political party that is majority white! It's evil and racist and it kills puppies KILL WHITEY!

Vote Democrat, since obviously if you're a minority you can't be racist.

[Camarohusky]

At 5/4/11 06:03 PM, Ranger2 wrote: Horror of horrors! A political party that is majority white! It's evil and racist and it kills puppies KILL WHITEY!

Yeah, that was not even close to the pont here...

Vote Democrat, since obviously if you're a minority you can't be racist.

Isn't it funny that the only people who say this espouse racist ideas of their own?

[Ronnoc00]

Ya know what I think? Screw race, screw it all. It's all just another bunch of reason for people to get angry, to kill, to yell, to beat others. So fuck it. I am a Conservative, but I am not an idiot. But I stick out for what I believe is right. Race should never matter in anything, but it's a human flaw, not just a 'white/republican/etc.' flaw.

[Korriken]

hang on a second. accord to THIS the democratic party is 62% white!

OMFG The Democratic dominantly non religious WHITES!

Democratic party needs to be more diverse!

ALSO. blacks make up about 12-13% of the population, but is 20% of the democratic party.

Also, 96% of blacks voted democrat...

so...

Blacks need to be more diverse!

see where you can take such a thin argument? Obviously people choose their party, not the other way around. I'll leave it at that because I don't feel like getting the big rubber stamp of "Racist" across my head this day.... oh what the hell I'ma go for it anyway.

Many Hispanics vote Democrat because they're softer than hot butter on the issue of illegal immigration. The ones who do vote Republican are more likely to say "We came over legally, you should too!"

I can't find ANYTHING on asian voting patterns.... I wonder why? well they don't even make up 5% of the population, so no one cares about them. Also, I find that Asians (at least where I live) don't speak much of politics, so there might simply not BE any info to work with. Given how hard they work and that they often run business, I can only imagine they don't vote Democrat too often.

Blacks... normally I would say "Not touching it" but I am. *dons an ink proof headband*

There is a reason why blacks are heavily Democrat, and its the same reason why the prisons in America have a disproportionate number of blacks compared to overall.

Lack of education and destruction of the family unit.

Before the abolition of the Jim Crow laws, this could be seen as "omfg racism!" However, today, this is not the problem. The problem is an insanely high high school out rate of over 50% and low test scores all around.

Why? Culture. Some may say there is no "black culture" just "American Culture" this is somewhat true. However, Many things affect a culture. Music is one of them. As far as the "new music" goes, it's all filth.

Music, especially among "black artists" have a trend of glorifying crime, criminals, and vice, and denigrates education. I'll leave this here, too.

Who here remembers Bill Cosby's "controversial" book and public speeches and interviews?

What did the black community call him? "Uncle Tom", "Oreo (Black on the outside white on the inside)", among others. The black community was up in arms over Bill Cosby saying that, simply puts, "Blacks are screwing themselves"

Personally, I have to side with Cosby. If I ran a business, I would NOT hire a secretary that cannot speak proper english, regardless of skin color.

Course, Cosby is one of the few blacks who see things for what they are "There is hate on both sides, both sides need to work on it, Blacks need to stop with the whole "ghetto" thing and "black artists" need to stop poisoning their own people with their evil lyrics, and stop trying to live the "hip hop and BET life style"

*puts on his anti-flame suit* flame away!... though this will probably end up in the "deleted post bin" anyway...

[Korriken]

ok so dumbass me went on a wild rant and plum forgot to put the premise of my argument. *facepalm*

so after reading that, why IS IT that so many vote democrat?

simple!

They are told to.

Why is that simple?

Easy, when you stick to the slim offerings of your own race and culture, being controlled is VERY easy.

"only the democratic party is for the black man! Republicans are racist!"

It happens to a lot of the whites, too, most of those knuckle dragging, slack jawed "I'm a cowboy! I drink Budweiser and smoke Marlboros! YEEHAW!" dumbasses, who vote republican because "black vote democrat" or worse...

[Yorik]

At 5/4/11 08:55 AM, Kenzu wrote: The article is called a "shocker" for republicans to be overwhelmingly white and religious.
How is that a shocker at all?

That's what most people would expect.

Sometimes when people try to mock something they describe it in a way that is the opposite of what is true to invoke a response from the audience known as "humor." It often doesn't work.

[newave]

At 5/4/11 08:34 PM, Korriken wrote: ok so dumbass me went on a wild rant and plum forgot to put the premise of my argument. *facepalm*

so after reading that, why IS IT that so many vote democrat?

simple!

They are told to.

Why is that simple?

Easy, when you stick to the slim offerings of your own race and culture, being controlled is VERY easy.

"only the democratic party is for the black man! Republicans are racist!"

It happens to a lot of the whites, too, most of those knuckle dragging, slack jawed "I'm a cowboy! I drink Budweiser and smoke Marlboros! YEEHAW!" dumbasses, who vote republican because "black vote democrat" or worse...

You are wrong on so many levels....
First off blacks are disproportionately imprisoned do to laws made by whites. I can site you a host of laws specifically designed to keep minorities down. Sure it has gotten better but it still exists (just slightly more fluid today). Crack vs Cocaine Rochefellor laws, Jim crow.... man the list goes on and on. If you believe blacks are down because of education you are not reading your history books. The destruction of the family unit came from welfare that was started after Jim crow laws were disbanneded. Jim crow was enacted by the gov. because of slavery laws ending after the civil war. But I guess we should not let facts get in the way of understanding why "certain people" are in the position their in....

[Yorik]

At 5/5/11 01:25 PM, newave wrote: Crack vs Cocaine...

You're right, things would totally be easier for black people if the government just cut them some slack on crack.

[newave]

At 5/5/11 04:38 PM, Yorik wrote:

At 5/5/11 01:25 PM, newave wrote: Crack vs Cocaine...

You're right, things would totally be easier for black people if the government just cut them some slack on crack.

Wow o_0 It never ceases to amaze me how some people can look facts in the face and make silly comments like that. tssss, tssss, tssss..... smh..... Maybe you should try some of that education you claim those blacks dont have who vote democratic....lol

[Korriken]

At 5/5/11 01:25 PM, newave wrote:

You are wrong on so many levels....
First off blacks are disproportionately imprisoned do to laws made by whites.

the law is still the law, what about blacks make it so difficult the follow the same laws as anyone else? Which laws are making it so hard for them to stay out of prison? laws against murder? rape? drug distribution or use? All of these laws are easy to avoid breaking.

I can site you a host of laws specifically designed to keep minorities down. Sure it has gotten better but it still exists (just slightly more fluid today). Crack vs Cocaine Rochefellor laws,

*Head scratch* has it ever occurred to anyone besides me that not breaking the law is a great way to remain out of jail? Are you trying to tell me that drug dealing and using is actually Embedded into their DNA and therefore they have no control over it? I don't buy that, I know a lot of hard working blacks who don't smoke, don't drink until they're nasty sloppy drunk, and neither sell nor use any sort of non prescription narcotic, and guess what else? THEY'RE NOT THROWN IN JAIL! EVER! Don't give me that shit. that's piss poor excuse making at its worst.

Jim crow.... man the list goes on and on.

Jim Crow laws were made illegal since, what 1965? That's 46 years. The Jim Crow laws have been LONG gone. Clinging to the Jim Crow laws is like a Jew clinging to WW2 as a claim that the German's are evil people.

If you believe blacks are down because of education you are not reading your history books. The destruction of the family unit came from welfare that was started after Jim crow laws were disbanneded.

Who began welfare? oh, right, liberals.

I do believe I mentioned the destruction of the family unit.

Also, the black dropout rate is upwards of 50%. 50 years ago, a man could do well with no education if he worked hard enough. Today, a basic education is required for most non burger flipping, non dirt shovelling jobs. To tell me that half of them not getting a basic high school education isn't destructive to their ability to rise from the bottom rungs of society, then you're blinder than Hellen Keller, and SHE got a college education, despite being blind and deaf. People today have NO EXCUSE to not have a high school education because it is FREE!

Jim crow was enacted by the gov. because of slavery laws ending after the civil war. But I guess we should not let facts get in the way of understanding why "certain people" are in the position their in....

You're right, let's not let the fact that Jim Crow laws were abolished 46 years ago get in the way.... oh wait. I think I will let it.

so basically, all you got to run on is laws that have been abolished 46 years ago and have no bearing on youth today, and narcotics laws, which are easy not to break, simply don't use or sell them.

[Proteas]

At 5/4/11 08:34 PM, Korriken wrote: "only the democratic party is for the black man! Republicans are racist!"

And studies like what the opening post linked to only seek to re-enforce such stereotypes. Why vote for the Republican Party as an ethnic minority when it's "just a party full of white people concerned about white people issues, anyway?"

That's the whole point of this topic, is it not? Nobody here so far has balked at the idea of the Republican Party being comprised of white people, it's just added legitimacy to the idea. If anything, studies like this serve no other purpose but to further drive a wedge between the Republican party and minorities.

[Iron-Hampster]

Kay, saying that if you disagree with us unfairly makes you racist is a weak argument and I'm sick of hearing it. Nobody would think you are racist if you didn't have to keep saying you weren't.

Its also hypocritical because I'm hearing a lot of "socialist" coming from the republicans when ever they disapprove of Democrats. It's ironic too because the Democrats are still on the political right.

[Korriken]

At 5/5/11 09:05 PM, Iron-Hampster wrote: Kay, saying that if you disagree with us unfairly makes you racist is a weak argument and I'm sick of hearing it. Nobody would think you are racist if you didn't have to keep saying you weren't.

there's only one problem with this statement...
It's already being done in preparation for the 2012 elections.
Here's an example
another example
Not that THIS is surprising at all, coming from one of the kind of race baiting himself.
and of course, it's all TV, much like this.
Oh look, more "republicans are racist!" mantra on TV.
Oh, gee, what do you know? Woopi and friends hammering the "Republicans are racist!" mantra into the shallow minds of the people who watch this drivel.

I could probably fill 2 or 3 posts with nothing but links to the Democrat's mantra for 2012, which isn't surprising, they also used it in 2008 extensively.

Its also hypocritical because I'm hearing a lot of "socialist" coming from the republicans when ever they disapprove of Democrats. It's ironic too because the Democrats are still on the political right.

most TV networks spread their propaganda like a plague in a medieval English village,

they engage in class warfare, saying the rich didn't earn their wealth, and trying to raise ever higher taxes on them to fund their entitlement money, those of which partake of this entitlement money tend to vote democrat.

have racist pigs like Jesse Jackson running around poisoning the minds of the black community in order to keep them in poverty and his own pockets full of their money, telling them that the white man is keeping them down and the only way to ensure that they have anything is to vote democrat at all times.

Between that and their fevered attempt to "reform" health care... no, they're not socialists at all, just ignore the Fidel Castro like tactics. Move along, nothing to see here, please put your blindfolds back on and keep marching!

[Camarohusky]

At 5/5/11 11:51 PM, Korriken wrote:

A couple of your examples are dealing with the birthers, which ANY reasonable person will tell you is born out of racism.

they engage in class warfare, saying the rich didn't earn their wealth, and trying to raise ever higher taxes on them to fund their entitlement money, those of which partake of this entitlement money tend to vote democrat.

So says the part that cut taxes to the rich and then cut pay to the middle class to make up the difference in the budget.

have racist pigs like Jesse Jackson running around poisoning the minds of the black community in order to keep them in poverty and his own pockets full of their money, telling them that the white man is keeping them down and the only way to ensure that they have anything is to vote democrat at all times.

And Republicans aren't sending the message to the lower half of white people?

Between that and their fevered attempt to "reform" health care... no, they're not socialists at all, just ignore the Fidel Castro like tactics. Move along, nothing to see here, please put your blindfolds back on and keep marching!

And the conservatives use fascist and depotic tactis to control the personal lives of the citizen.

As a Republican once famously said to a Democrat "hello pot, my name is kettle."