I was invited to join a gaming podcast recently, and my topic was Mobile Gaming vs. Traditional gaming. Because of what Iwata said at the Game Developers Conference. Anyway, if you'd like to hear it, they're looking for more listeners!
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Apart from the podcast, though, what do you guys think? Is mobile gaming destroying gaming as we know it? After buying Angry Birds for 99 cents, it's hard to plunk down $60 for a console title... Which means less console titles being made, right?
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A mobile phone can not produce the graphics a console or PC could, simple as that.
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At 4/22/11 01:16 PM, Magic-Mushroom wrote: A mobile phone can not produce the graphics a console or PC could, simple as that.
What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Especially when my iPod can run a game with graphics better than a PSX.
At 4/22/11 01:16 PM, Magic-Mushroom wrote: A mobile phone can not produce the graphics a console or PC could, simple as that.
But if graphics sold games, we'd have more Crysis and less Words with Friends. Graphics DON'T sell games.
At 4/22/11 01:29 PM, JKR wrote:At 4/22/11 01:16 PM, Magic-Mushroom wrote: A mobile phone can not produce the graphics a console or PC could, simple as that.But if graphics sold games, we'd have more Crysis and less Words with Friends. Graphics DON'T sell games.
It's not the graphics in particular, the processing power (for the moment at least) just isn't on a par with the conventional view of gaming, be it console or otherwise. I think when mobile game devs can makes games with as much depth and gusto and the console and PC's then we'll be talking about something altogether different. For the moment at least, I feel like mobile gaming can do me for the bus ride home and that's it.
True, but to be fair we're on the bus a LOT these days... Or in the car, or out and about...
I play a lot of games and emulators on iPod Touch when I'm on the bus, or waiting for somebody etc. Its so easy to just get it out your pocket and start up a game of Tiny Wings or Doodle Jump or something. They're fun, simple and quick. There are also some deeper games available on devices as well.
Still, when I play video games I spent a lot more time on my PC or Xbox 360 than my iPod. Its not killing gaming at all, if somebody wants a games console, its likely that they will not choose an iDevice. Still, it opens doors for... casual players, which is good.
But when all is said, mobile gaming is never ever going to kill PC/console gaming. Most people buy an iPod to listen to music, the games are a bonus. PC/console gaming holds so many bonuses over it, it would be silly to choose a mobile device over it IF you want a gaming device.
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No it's not.
When all else fails, blame the casuals!
At 4/22/11 04:44 PM, JKR wrote: True, but to be fair we're on the bus a LOT these days... Or in the car, or out and about...
For the much maligned (I don't see they are they just are) casual gamer, then absolutely the mobile gaming option is more up their street than sitting in front of the TV playing COD. The reason why I don't think it really makes much difference is because hardcore gamers, such as myself, spend a lot more money and contribute more in the gaming world and companies. To ignore the people with the money is foolish and no doubt the devs know this. The mobile gaming side of the market is getting bigger, as more and more of us are going around to different places, bored with nothing to do whilst we get from A to B, but the games on iPhone don't come anywhere near $60/£40, and even then, most will have a few games, not a collection of 50 or 100 games.
Why can the two not live together in harmony? Use the mobile gaming when you are on the go and use your consoles at home. One is for when you are at home and when you really wanna get into a game, and the other is when you just need a quick time killer for a few minutes.
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At 4/22/11 01:15 PM, Gustavos wrote: If console gaming developers have an open mind about the possibilities, we can have mobile gaming and console gaming as parallel markets or even just one market that can sustain itself. Neither one dominating the other.
Is the Escapist just gobbling up anything that looks like a fast speaking humorous slide show so they can get a heads up on that market or is there really no one there with animation or film experience?
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Consoles are killing video games. Get it through your heads already.
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Well I was watching Colbert and he had a guest on, Ray Kurzweil, who purposes a theory that sometime soon ( he says by 2045 ) humans will merge with technology. In it he mentions that cellphones will very likely be able to run through our blood stream. If that happens Traditional > Mobile.
Or maybe quite the opposite.
At 4/22/11 01:15 PM, Gustavos wrote: If console gaming developers have an open mind about the possibilities, we can have mobile gaming and console gaming as parallel markets or even just one market that can sustain itself. Neither one dominating the other.
This accurately summates my thoughts on the matter, I don't see how a free market economy of such size and lucrativeness would end up any other way.
At 4/23/11 01:56 AM, Samen wrote: I don't see how, in a free market economy, an industry of such size and lucrativeness would end up any other way.
Fixed. I shouldn't talk fancy when I'm tired.
Well, I think all the shovelware makers will finally have a unified place to congregate their little turd clones.
Not that consoles aren't going to die off, especially portables like DS and whatever Sony tries to pull off with their Playstation phone.
At 4/22/11 05:39 PM, Rude-Awakening wrote: To ignore the people with the money is foolish and no doubt the devs know this.
That's not necessarily true. From the dev's perspective, it could be more profitable per employee to make little games while spending minimal costs.
At 4/22/11 01:15 PM, Gustavos wrote: If console gaming developers have an open mind about the possibilities, we can have mobile gaming and console gaming as parallel markets or even just one market that can sustain itself. Neither one dominating the other.
That presentation sure paints a rosy picture, unfortunately reality isn't like that. Onlive and other game streaming services will most likely be reserved for gamers with BANDWIDTH. Streaming on portable devices that aren't connected to wi-fi is EXPENSIVE as hell and I don't see mobile operators suddenly cheaping everything up seeing as how they rip you off by charging for sms messages, when it barely makes a dent on their networks. Seriously texts cost them NOTHING shit is designed to be so light weight and yet they charge you for it.
Also the social guys are complete dicks, their main objective is profit by fooling people into getting hooked and buying worthless shit that doesn't have anything to do with good gameplay. Think Gaia and the pretty pixel dresses you can buy for real cash. Also with petty spam tricks like like mafia wars or whatever where they get your friends into their botnet. Kinda like spam ring games that were so popular a couple of years back where you had to fool people into clicking on links in order to level up or something idunno, had that shit blocked.
It's all cheap talk with fancy words. The downside is pretty horrific when you no longer own your games as well.
That's like saying 'consoles are going to kill the PC', and we all know that's not true. It's just that moblile gaming has a perk that the other companies have tried to duplicate and failed, and that perk is accessibility. You can take your phone anywhere, but trying to take a handheld device seems like a chore.
At 4/23/11 05:47 AM, unconsidered wrote: That's like saying 'consoles are going to kill the PC', and we all know that's not true. It's just that moblile gaming has a perk that the other companies have tried to duplicate and failed, and that perk is accessibility. You can take your phone anywhere, but trying to take a handheld device seems like a chore.
I think there are many problems with this. First, whilst PC gaming had a very hardcore following, many are turning to the consoles simply because it's a lot cheaper and more of their friends are likely to have it. Secondly, I think mobile phones are included in the handheld device bracket. New smartphones are being developed to be more powerful and smaller all the time, so it won't be a chore for that much more!
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At 4/24/11 05:13 AM, Rude-Awakening wrote: I think there are many problems with this. First, whilst PC gaming had a very hardcore following, many are turning to the consoles simply because it's a lot cheaper and more of their friends are likely to have it.
But consoles won't kill PC, at least not any time soon. Plus with all the advancements they are looking into/developing, PC gaming might only grow in the future. I mean look at the CPU, I might be wrong, they are trying to develop that would make PC's more like consoles in the fact of you won't have to sit their and constantly buy upgrade parts as years go by. Not only that but the talks about hardware that can be upgraded like you upgrade software.
If PC's ever do die, I'll be the only person still with a desktop. GOD I HATE LAPTOPS AND MOBILE PHONES.
I disagree, mobile gaming is destroying itself.
Take Angry Birds, for $1 you got:
-a cool game
-lots of levels
-lots of free updates
Now, Angry Birds devs added:
-advertisements
-stupid, unnecessary things you have to pay for
-being cocky overall
And note: that's all while not even trying to innovate.
Mobile gaming is the future, whether we like it or not. Sadly, figures show that most of the games sold since 2005 are casual games, and Zynga, who made Farmville, which you can now play stand-alone on an iPod/iPhone, got bought out for many millions of dollars.
Just think. Proper games are being played by gamers. Casual/Mobile games are being played by everyone.
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At 4/25/11 12:55 PM, OddCore wrote: Just think. Proper games are being played by gamers. Casual/Mobile games are being played by everyone.
Wow, what a load of elitist bullshit.
Where's that confounded bridge?
At 4/25/11 01:55 PM, 19thNervousBreakdown wrote:At 4/25/11 12:55 PM, OddCore wrote: Just think. Proper games are being played by gamers. Casual/Mobile games are being played by everyone.Wow, what a load of elitist bullshit.
I am happy for you having found warmth and comfort in the anonymity of the internet, thus being able to swear truckloads without getting 39 kinds of shit kicked out of you, but you'd be better off explaining what exactly is wrong, from what I've said.
I end threads.
At 4/24/11 08:11 AM, Wolfos wrote: Now, Angry Birds devs added:
-advertisements
-stupid, unnecessary things you have to pay for
-being cocky overall
And note: that's all while not even trying to innovate.
They want to monetize their work. It's really hard to stumble on a concept that works so well, and when you do, you'd be dumb to let it go without earning as much as possible from it.
At 4/25/11 03:10 PM, OddCore wrote: I am happy for you having found warmth and comfort in the anonymity of the internet, thus being able to swear truckloads without getting 39 kinds of shit kicked out of you, but you'd be better off explaining what exactly is wrong, from what I've said.
You're kidding right? It's not painfully obvious how that was a condescending statement to basically everyone that plays these games?
At 4/25/11 03:10 PM, OddCore wrote:At 4/25/11 01:55 PM, 19thNervousBreakdown wrote:I am happy for you having found warmth and comfort in the anonymity of the internet, thus being able to swear truckloads without getting 39 kinds of shit kicked out of you, but you'd be better off explaining what exactly is wrong, from what I've said.At 4/25/11 12:55 PM, OddCore wrote: Just think. Proper games are being played by gamers. Casual/Mobile games are being played by everyone.Wow, what a load of elitist bullshit.
Let's count the things wrong with your statement.
1. First off you say that certain games don't get to be classified as real video games. I'm guessing more based on the audience that plays the games rather than the actual games themselves because you don't actually list any games aside from a quick mention of Farmville (which I'd argue has it's roots in Harvest Moon--apparently one is casual and the other isn't). There's some nebulous grouping of "casual" games that people who aren't really gamers play. Apparently playing games doesn't make you a gamer, you have to play the right ones. If my grandma plays Facebook games three hours a day she's somehow not a gamer.
2. For some reason Mobile and Casual games get lumped together as if they're mutually exclusive. There's plenty of games that measure up to their console counterparts and plenty of console games that are simple. But that just brings me to how:
3. I hate the term "casual." Like I said before, I think people use it more because they're reacting to a growing demographic that's predominantly female rather than the games themselves.
"Casual" isn't anything new, take Tetris as an example. It was easy to pick up and play and it bridged the gap between people who were raised on games and those who were new to video games and it wasn't casual. It constantly comes up as one of the greatest games of all time in polls. It's one of the most respected games by the hardcore--for lack of a better word--community.
Twenty years ago it was everything that "casual" games are now. Why are games that follow that format such a terrible thing all of a sudden? Why was there a point where a game that could reach out to so many people a good thing, but now that's not only less of a game, but also a sign of the end of times for the "traditional" experience.
Mostly because people who say casual games are pushing away the "traditional" experience are having a knee-jerk reaction to the feeling that the culture around their hobby is being eroded rather than the games themselves. That's why they get to be gamers and everyone else is "everyone else."
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5. The experience you value isn't going anywhere. If the "casual" market is an influx of new gamers does that mean the old market disappeared overnight? No, of course not. You're still here, you still have income, and publishers are going to try and get it.
For the love of god through don't act like you're more of a gamer than anyone else. In fact, if most people play "casual" games then I could easily play devil advocate and argue that those are the real games playing real games.
Where's that confounded bridge?
no it's not, mobile gaminf is a million miles from console gaming and PC gaming, /it'll never be anywhere near as popular as consle gaming
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At 4/26/11 03:36 AM, elcriz000 wrote: no it's not, mobile gaminf is a million miles from console gaming and PC gaming, /it'll never be anywhere near as popular as consle gaming
Jesus, learn to type! Where is your arguments? You have none! Why participate in a discussion when you have no arguments?!
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