Do you make beats?

[Luke]

I am looking for producers.

Anybody who makes rap beats, hit me up...

I will BUY your beats, if the price is right and I get full rights. I don't want non-exclusive bull shit because it isn't how I roll.

I am looking at 'horror' beats for the most part, anything I can use for horrorcore rap, send my way and we will work something out if I like it.

I am only asking because I want to be able to perform the song live at an event where profit will be made.
I want to be able to sell my music.
I want to be able to promote it as my own, you will still be making money.

If you're sick of people downloading your beats for free in the audio portal and using them and you get nothing out of them, and you think I can use them... Hit me up, for real. If I like it I will take it off your hands.

[sorohanro]

Not a bad deal but you might as well try your hands on making beats. Come on, if some 12 year old teens can do it, so can you.

[Usernamemyarse]

Im in, ive done some "Horrorcor"-ish stuff for a band of my friends, heres something:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b01EP349c N4&feature=channel_video_title

[BrokenDeck]

At 4/17/11 05:31 AM, EpicFail wrote: I am looking for producers.

Anybody who makes rap beats, hit me up...

I will BUY your beats, if the price is right and I get full rights. I don't want non-exclusive bull shit because it isn't how I roll.

Are you prepared to pay for exclusive rights? Just to let you know, entry-level exclusive rights MAY cost up to 4 digitis per track or PER minute. The cost of an artist dis-associating him/herself from their own peice of work is extremly high. Since they won't be able to say it was their work anymore they will ask for a LOT of money. And that's just entry level.

If you're looking for an ameteur to buy tracks off of for cheap just because they're cheap, and you have to potential to make a LOT fo money off it, then I don't know what to say. I see new and eager people being taken in by this sort of thing all the time. They just don't know how much they should be charging for exclusive rights.

I am looking at 'horror' beats for the most part, anything I can use for horrorcore rap, send my way and we will work something out if I like it.

I am only asking because I want to be able to perform the song live at an event where profit will be made.
I want to be able to sell my music.
I want to be able to promote it as my own, you will still be making money.

Why don't you make a percentage deal, based on services rendered for the making of the beat, and then a percentage of all revenue based on the track (worked on) afterwards.

If you're sick of people downloading your beats for free in the audio portal and using them and you get nothing out of them, and you think I can use them... Hit me up, for real. If I like it I will take it off your hands.

When it comes to making profit off our tracks, you'd had better have a very tempting exclusive rights deal. You'll be making money off of it pal, so you'd better be paying one of us at least entry level fees.

If you think you can buy exclusive rights for a couple hundred of bucks, you're in dreamland.

[SpaceWhale]

That's odd, I was just looking for someone to rap over this, when I make it into a full thing

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[Lacrioso]

I don't wanna' be a negative Nancy, but BrokenDeck is absolutely right.

If anyone is considering doing this, take into account the ramifications of detaching yourself from something you've created. Additionally, it sounds to me (at least) that EpicFail wants to claim everything as his own; I know I wouldn't be comfortable with that. Hearing something I've written preformed at ___ stadium or on ___ radio station, and not even being able to take pride in it.

And to EpicFail, it would be much wiser to work out a percentage deal as BrokenDeck suggested; simply because if you did in fact manage to get someone to give you exclusive rights, and they knew what they were doing, it would be incredibly costly - rightly so, I should add.

I hope your intentions are pure...

[zelazon]

What you seem to be asking is to be able to say that created the work with no attachments to anyone...

I suppose if you pay someone well enough that they might agree to it.

I'd never agree to that cause though, because as an artist, I would never feel okay with someone taking my work and posing as the artist behind it... Collabs are fine, but just completely detaching me from my work I could never agree to.

[joshhunsaker]

check your inbox.

[Luke]

At 4/17/11 01:34 PM, brokendeck wrote:
If you think you can buy exclusive rights for a couple hundred of bucks, you're in dreamland.

Actually, I'm not.
There are producers all over the place that sell exclusive rights from 10-20 dollars for some of them, other producers want anywhere from 10-50 dollars.

I've purchased plenty off of producers before for a fair price like that... All solid beats, if you think that there are only producers who will sell for a couple hundred bucks, you are in a dream land. You have to take a look at every producer that exists before you can say something like that.

[Rampant]

At 4/17/11 06:30 PM, EpicFail wrote: There are producers all over the place that sell exclusive rights from 10-20 dollars for some of them, other producers want anywhere from 10-50 dollars.

Did you know that these producers also cry themselves to sleep every night on the back seat of a beat up old Ford Cortina because they can't afford a bed?

Anyone selling exclusive rights that cheap is getting majorly ripped off, and they should know it. Either that, or they don't care because they're just throwing together Apple Loops. :P

[BrokenDeck]

At 4/17/11 07:11 PM, RampantMusik wrote:

Anyone selling exclusive rights that cheap is getting majorly ripped off, and they should know it. Either that, or they don't care because they're just throwing together Apple Loops. :P

Also the fact that the copyright on such loops may ALREADY belong to someone else. So that's a whole other potential disaster area.

[joshhunsaker]

At 4/17/11 06:30 PM, EpicFail wrote: Actually, I'm not.
There are producers all over the place that sell exclusive rights from 10-20 dollars for some of them, other producers want anywhere from 10-50 dollars.

Well, then I would definitely stick with those people. Because WOW that is cheap.

[keccakec1]

Even though it's not hard yourself to make beats using a program or just an instrument, I still wouldn't suggest the pay option. Many people would do it for free. You're just going to attract people who want money.

[SbenixNG]

i cant offer you full rights cuz my music is sample based but check this out man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zx4uppdAv cE&feature=channel_video_title

somethin i made today... is this the type of shit u want

[Luke]

At 4/17/11 07:11 PM, RampantMusik wrote:
Did you know that these producers also cry themselves to sleep every night on the back seat of a beat up old Ford Cortina because they can't afford a bed?

Anyone selling exclusive rights that cheap is getting majorly ripped off, and they should know it. Either that, or they don't care because they're just throwing together Apple Loops. :P

Actually, they are pretty successful and all live in houses, and most of them are married.

I know these people quite well and I don't get those deals because i know them, that's what they charge everybody for their beats.

These people do it because they don't only make music for money - They do it because they love it and are willing to sell the beats they make that they aren't personally interested in using for a decent price because A) they get something out of it. B) they get to see what somebody else could do with it.

Lots of underground artists sell beats with full rights for a fair price like that, it's just the way it is.
They make tons of money off of their fans though, you'd be surprised by fans of the underground and how crazy they are supporting artists.

[sorohanro]

Exclusive rights means that you will never ever again get the chance to useyour own work, more to that, you're not getting any fame. For someone who really love music and wants to do that for a living, invest money in equipment, software, pay instrument players to record, spend hours, days, weeks or sometime months, THIS IS ARTISTIC SUICIDE !

That's why exclusive rights starts from 400$ and get to 4000$, really, check it for yourself. That's the normal price. Non-exclusive rights for stock audio starts at 10$ and gets to 100~200$, custom music under non-exclusive licensing starts around 100$.
Take a look:
minimumnoise.com
audiodraft.com
audiojungle.net
revostock.com/Hip-Hop Beats

You say there are people do it for passion, well, I say if you do something for passion you should respect that passion and demand respect for it. Where is quality there is money involved and effort, those should come with a price.

Of course, somebody can always make some loops in Mixcraft or Garageband using the pre-made loops. Those will sound good because the loops were recorded in very expensive studios with equipment that we (the normal people) can only dream to have.
Of course, somebody can always record some beats from old funk or soul vinyl discs. Those will sound good because it's "the real thing".
They can sell you exclusive rights only if they don't give a s#i7 about copyright and because they didn't spent one cent for actually recording the stuff they sell.
You can buy those "exclusive" artworks and know you'll hear those thousands of times with some minor variations.
You want to pay 10$ for a recording.
What that 10$ can buy me ?
NOT even a new guitar strings set.
NOT even a microphone cable.
NOT a pop-stopper, a wind shield for my microphone.
NOT a decent AD converter, NOT a preamp, NOT decent headphones.
What you ask for that ?
That I NEVER EVER use my own work again.
Do you call this a fair deal ?

What to do ? I realize that you don't have a money printer.
Well, stick for now to non-exclusive deals, take from here what you can take for free, put the resulting product here under same CC license.
Hopefully, if you're good, some people will want to start a project together with you and together you will have a "band" and all the music will be customized exclusively for that "band".

I'm using the term "band" because I don't know how in hip-hop culture is this concept called.

[Mister-Monker]

yo I jus seen your post. Check through some of my work, see if you interested. Not interested in selling beats, just interested in creating pieces. Let me knowww

http://mister-monker.newgrounds.com/audi o/

[Lacrioso]

Sorohanro, you deserve an e-hug.

Honestly, anybody thinking about this needs to read, then re-read his post. You're committing artistic suicide! Think of all the money you spend on equipment, software, lessons; all the agonizing hours mastering and tinkering and learning, all the suffering, and all the joy. Then, imagine all that work being rewarded with ten fucking dollars. Maybe the paycheque isn't important to you, but what about notoriety? Wouldn't you like to have your name attached to something famous, to get an ACTUAL paying job?

You'd be a fool to do this.

[sorohanro]

When I say artistic suicide I say that, in time you'll get to invest less and less.
Less time to get the right notes, less time to practice your instrument and play good, less time to mix it right, less money in equipment and software, less interest into master it to be hot as fire.
In time your work will be worth the price you'll get, 10$.

That's artistic suicide, to kill the artist in yourself.

[Darkmaster603]

You're in luck, I will sell you the exclusive rights to one of my better beats for only $10. I feel it's a fair price for the amount of work I put into it. Luckily I'm not a greedy asshole.

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[Back-From-Purgatory]

The last time I sold a song... it was non-exclusive, 1 time use... and it cost the person $100... For a single use, with my name still on it.

I don't know who you're suckering into giving up exclusive tracks... because personally, I wouldn't sell exclusive rights to any of my songs for anything less than a 4 digit number.... Unless I only put 10 min effort into making it and didn't see any potential in it.... Then I might charge you a couple hundred.

[Luke]

I'm not suckering anybody in to anything.

On there own page it says EXCLUSIVE / FULL RIGHTS!

And the prices listed are next to each instrumental, some ten, some fifteen, others twenty or twenty-five.

Not sure why you're all beaking me here, all I'm saying is there ARE people who do it for that low.

I can't tell you why, only they could. So go ask people who sell full rights to their beats for that low if it's bothering all of you so much. I asked a simple question, got a shit-storm of people saying I'm wrong, when I've bought beats for that low of a price.

[Rampant]

At 4/18/11 06:03 PM, EpicFail wrote: And the prices listed are next to each instrumental, some ten, some fifteen, others twenty or twenty-five.

You said yourself that these people, in your experience, are writing beats FOR A HOBBY. This, unfortunately, is ultimately what has devalued music to the point that it's hard for those of us who compose for a job to actually make decent money.

Not sure why you're all beaking me here, all I'm saying is there ARE people who do it for that low.

There are people who do it for that low. But if you want to get really serious about music, and make a profit off someone else's beats, you could at least be generous and give them more than just a few pennies and a suckerpunch.

I asked a simple question, got a shit-storm of people saying I'm wrong, when I've bought beats for that low of a price.

We didn't necessarily say you were wrong -- there are indeed people who sell exclusive rights that cheap. But we were saying you're an asshole for ripping off artists as badly as record labels do. :P

[Luke]

At 4/18/11 06:35 PM, RampantMusik wrote: We didn't necessarily say you were wrong -- there are indeed people who sell exclusive rights that cheap. But we were saying you're an asshole for ripping off artists as badly as record labels do. :P

I don't see how I'm ripping them off.
Especially when I buy their CDs, clothing, and other miscellaneous merchandise.

[Back-From-Purgatory]

At 4/18/11 08:56 PM, EpicFail wrote:

At 4/18/11 06:35 PM, RampantMusik wrote: We didn't necessarily say you were wrong -- there are indeed people who sell exclusive rights that cheap. But we were saying you're an asshole for ripping off artists as badly as record labels do. :P

I don't see how I'm ripping them off.
Especially when I buy their CDs, clothing, and other miscellaneous merchandise.

What... I don't even...

First you said they were hobby musicians... now you say you're buying their albums and merchandise... Which one is it?

[Luke]

At 4/18/11 09:16 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote:
What... I don't even...

First you said they were hobby musicians... now you say you're buying their albums and merchandise... Which one is it?

Yeah, they do music because they love it.
Some of them are signed to underground labels.
When I say they do it because they love it, I mean that they don't do it for money. Of course they charge for it, but not a whole lot like 100 dollars + for exclusive beats.

People can do music for hobby and still make money off of it, selling quality hoodies for 30 dollars, etc etc. Yeah, they have merchandise.
Why? Because they are business men just like anybody else selling music stuff.

But does that mean they have to charge so much? No.
They charge lowly because they make beats because they love to, they like what they can get out of it. Some people wouldn't want over 100 dollars for a beat, just because it's not how they are as people.

I don't understand what is so confusing.

[Back-From-Purgatory]

At 4/18/11 09:47 PM, EpicFail wrote: ...Some of them are signed to underground labels....
...When I say they do it because they love it, I mean that they don't do it for money....
Why? Because they are business men just like anybody else selling music stuff.

I don't understand what is so confusing.

I don't know... you tell me. You're all over the place.

[Xyresic]

At 4/18/11 09:47 PM, EpicFail wrote: Why? Because they are business men just like anybody else selling music stuff.

Wait, what?

[Darkmaster603]

We are not hobbiest (some are of course, but most here are not). We all are striving to be career musicians. If you want $30 beats then go to those people.

[Luke]

At 4/18/11 09:50 PM, Back-From-Purgatory wrote:
I don't know... you tell me. You're all over the place.

Not really.
They do music because they love it, they are good at it.
Some of them are signed to an underground label, some of them are not.
It is still a hobby to them, people can make money off of hobbies. Look at those "Auction" shows on TV for example, it's a hobby to them and they make money off of it.

These people make music as a hobby and make money off of it, they just don't charge as much as they should for their beats because the money isn't what's important to them. Otherwise they would do a different genre of music, and they would probably sell out.

They just don't care, money isn't everything and they realize that.

We've sort of derailed this thread by now.
I suppose I will continue buying my beats off of those people, I can at least trust them as I've bought from them before.