At 4/9/11 06:15 AM, Wolfos wrote:
It's not broken, it's only 56KB so that means the black screen was put there deliberately. That file size can't really hold much more than that. Especially not an animation.
So why would it get protected? I see no reason not to vote 0 on it.
At 4/9/11 06:26 AM, Gagsy wrote:
Personally I think they need to raise the score requirements again.
What is it now 1.60? I feel it could go as high as 2.00. How many flash below 2.00 do you find worthy of watching?
I'll settle for a compromise of 1.80, as that would give people a shot in the arm, when it comes to voting and it would help to balance the system.
At 4/9/11 06:26 AM, sanjeev98 wrote:
Good, coop, but then again not allowing guests to vote will mean that there will be a massive influx of users, and then due to the voting power, as people vote, their power will go higher, and thus will increase the amount the flash's score decreases.
Yes, because ever single of the 555,555 flash that have been uploaded to this site is voted by every user who has ever signed up for Newgrounds.
Currently, some of my flash are also being zero-bombed, just because people are jelly -- it's as if users installed a program to automatically vote zero on the thing everyday with a simple script, and they have succeeded in doing so -- bringing a score of 3.05 to 2.9, with 400 votes+! And all the time, it was only zero bombing -- the score was 3.05 at 340 votes!
Perhaps it's a bunch of users telling you that you need to make better flash - ones that are deserving of such a high score?
At 4/9/11 06:50 AM, Damien wrote:
Lets just get rid of everything.
And start the whole website all over again.
Doesn't that count as genocide? I'm sure people have tried that before and it's not worked out well.
At 4/9/11 07:18 AM, Lorkas wrote:
At 4/9/11 05:51 AM, Coop wrote:
It is here that I come to my proposal - every user be allowed to vote on each submission only once.I agree with most points except this one. It's a crappy idea. What if you change your mind or if you misclick the right vote number?
Well, if you mis-click, then there is no difference, as you can't vote twice in 24 hours, thus defeating the Blam / Save issue.
At 4/9/11 07:24 AM, Narcissy wrote:
You know, when a flash is Under Judgement, what's the point with having 0-5? I wonder would it be better to change it to simply "Blam or Protect?" - Two buttons to decide if it passes or not. And after that it goes through "Showcase" Where people then vote on it for a score. And then it goes on like any other flash.
An interesting point, but that would require quite a bit of programming. I'm merely suggesting tweaks, otherwise, we'll have to wait another decade for the Chat.
At 4/9/11 07:26 AM, Auz wrote:
Another revolution? Awesome!
While I agree with what you said, I would like to bring in the fair point gfoxcook made that more submissions passing judgment doesn't have to be a bad thing. Most of the bad submissions will just sink to the depths of the portal anyway and are forever forgotten about. Some people might still have fun with them and they don't hurt anyone.
I'm not complaining about too many flash submissions that pass judgement. I believe that quality has risen since the days when I started and most stuff was blammed. The problem being that people's expected standards of flash pieces has declined as well, which is the main point I wish to address here.
At 4/9/11 07:34 AM, Lorkas wrote:
At 4/9/11 07:21 AM, Gagsy wrote:
I think it makes sense only being allowed to vote on each submission once. Why do we need to vote again after that?To show our love
Why not post links of the coolest movies you like across the site in relevant threads, thus getting your favourites more exposure
At 4/9/11 08:47 AM, Dew wrote:
If you want voting change to happen, you can't just ask people to change,
You can ask reasonable people to change and they will consider themselves. These people have been appealed to and hopefully will moderate their behaviour, if it was questionable in the end.
you have to enforce it.
One or two high profile scalps should do the trick. I have my sights trained on a few and have mentioned their names to various people.
Once people start seeing the consequences of being immature and stat whoreish then people will stop doing it.
Three robots have been disabled to my knowledge (fixit; yaya12 and icean) The former was a blamming robot, that nailed the last vote of 0, to get the blam point on every submission for ages. The latter two were save bots, which have been disabled. Personally, I'd like to see all three of these have their stats nullified, as they are signs of how a cheat can prosper to a certain extent.
As for the people who don't post at all in the forums, but inexplicably have 20, 000 plus b/p points, for example, checking their voting habits and banning accordingly will solve any inappropriate habits there as well.
Start at the top and work down ;)
At 4/9/11 09:50 AM, SCTE3 wrote:
I'm behind this the full way but what if the user simply wants to deposit their points for the day and nothing else? Those users will just click on 5 random flash submissions and hit random buttons which I don't see as a big problem unless they would be doing this on the Under Judgment submissions in which case that is not so good.
Ah, but wouldn't that generate more traffic for "dormant" pieces, which have been on Newgrounds for ages and have barely been viewed?
Hell, let's go the whole hog and introduce experience being awarded for voting on any submission (Flash, Audio, Art or Other, depending on additions in future), then you can get experience for supporting Everything, by Everyone.
At 4/9/11 10:50 AM, Sheizenhammer wrote:
And no, I don't give a shit how many of those blams actually lead to points.
I do, but only because no-one seems to agree with me that there's a large pile of shit that needs to be removed coming in here.
It may be harsh, but at least it's fair. I usually go for the smaller file sizes (because I'm an impatient fucker), and most of those tend to be the classic broken screens and 10-second-effort jobs. Granted, you also get some pretty cool external content flashes in the small ones, but they're in the minority here.
Yeah, I appreciate that. The only time I've rushed to vote on flash are if I've logged in and a verge of death piece is waiting. Then it's usually a click, load, blam. They tend to be small, but time is a factor there.
At 4/9/11 11:10 AM, Quinny wrote:
The second coming of Viva La Revolution? I'm OK with this.
There's still loads that'll either vote 0 or 5 though, just saying.
Yeah, we want to control that though.
At 4/9/11 11:16 AM, Cootie wrote:
Just bump up the score required to pass to 2.50 I say.
Too high, Tom would not go for that right now.
At 4/9/11 11:22 AM, byteslinger wrote:
The current voting system on Newgrounds is defective and needs to be enhanced. Remember, this website is still PRIVATELY owned, and thus the owners can do whatever they want to protect it. They chose to share it with the general public, but that public can no longer be trusted to do the right thing.
Yeah and I want to be a part of this - I'm sick of being someone that sees spam getting through the portal and posting links to Wade. I'd guess he's pretty sick of receiving them from those of us that hit him with them, to be honest.