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At 4/8/11 12:06 PM, RubberTrucky wrote: Just saying a possibility. Though i did base on second hand information of someone who based it on wikileaks. All in all, whether it happened or not, I think most people would argue the importance of knowing of shady actions committed by the government.

On the contrary, the UN usually gets on other people's asses for intentionally hurting civilians.

We're the land of the free but if you do something we don't like we'll put you in a prison cell and isolate you from the world for the rest of your life.

At 4/8/11 12:15 PM, Magic-Mushroom wrote: We're the land of the free but if you do something we don't like we'll put you in a prison cell and isolate you from the world for the rest of your life.

So if you intentionally break reasonable laws, you should go unpunished?

We now live in the United States of Fascism.

At 4/8/11 12:16 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote: So if you intentionally break reasonable laws, you should go unpunished?

I don't think it's the punishment people are worried about because he does deserve to be punished, buuut if this is true then I think everyone can agree torturing him is wrong, especially when the courts haven't decided whether he is guilty or not a fundamental human right.

At 4/8/11 12:21 PM, smeagol1 wrote: We now live in the United States of Fascism.

So cool, edgy, and violent.

Go shove another penicorn up your ass.

At 4/8/11 12:21 PM, CharltonChinchilla wrote:

At 4/8/11 12:16 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote: So if you intentionally break reasonable laws, you should go unpunished?

I don't think it's the punishment people are worried about because he does deserve to be punished, buuut if this is true then I think everyone can agree torturing him is wrong, especially when the courts haven't decided whether he is guilty or not a fundamental human right.

There isn't any guarantee he is being tortured. He's probably in jail, and you've got some dumbfuck extremist conspiracy theorist righting up bullshit stories.

At 4/8/11 04:04 AM, BumFodder wrote: The USA are hypocrites for torturing with things such as water boarding and that thing where people have to go into that squat position for ages.

The land of freedom my ass.

if only we could be as humane as our adversaries, who cut soldiers penises off and sew them onto their mouths, if only.

At 4/8/11 12:22 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote:

At 4/8/11 12:21 PM, smeagol1 wrote: We now live in the United States of Fascism.

So cool, edgy, and violent.

Go shove another penicorn up your ass.

oh you.

At 4/8/11 12:08 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote:
Link to wikileaks page, as well as link to shady actions regarding nuclear weapons deal under bush.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call bullshit on both of those sir.

First one, I'm going to wait for the person that informed me to link it,
The second one isn't based on wikileaks, but can be found in this article.

At 4/8/11 12:27 PM, RubberTrucky wrote:

At 4/8/11 12:08 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote:
Link to wikileaks page, as well as link to shady actions regarding nuclear weapons deal under bush.

Otherwise, I'm afraid I'm going to have to call bullshit on both of those sir.

First one, I'm going to wait for the person that informed me to link it,
The second one isn't based on wikileaks, but can be found in this article.

LOL that wasn't bush. That was an iraqi informant who misled the country, and the president following that red herring like bees to honey.

At 4/8/11 12:23 PM, JimChun7689 wrote: There isn't any guarantee he is being tortured. He's probably in jail, and you've got some dumbfuck extremist conspiracy theorist righting up bullshit stories.

Notice the "if this is true" part I write, I am totally in agreement there is no guarantee this guy is being tortured.

If I betrayed my country the only prosecution I could get would be by firing squad lol.

At 4/8/11 12:16 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote:

At 4/8/11 12:15 PM, Magic-Mushroom wrote: We're the land of the free but if you do something we don't like we'll put you in a prison cell and isolate you from the world for the rest of your life.

So if you intentionally break reasonable laws, you should go unpunished?

I agree with that to a very certain and small extent, Like the laws against marijuana, lsd, and psilocybe. God forbid you do something to your own body that has no long term effects and doesn't hurt anyone.

At 4/8/11 11:16 AM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: really want terrorists to know exactly where the US keeps its cache of nuclear weapons? Do you really want terrorists to know the easiest way to cause a meltdown at one of the nuclear powered plants that operates in the US?

Think before you shove your foot in your mouth.

Please name me an example where Wikileaks actually leaked any information about these things you mentioned.

At 4/8/11 12:21 PM, CharltonChinchilla wrote:

At 4/8/11 12:16 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote: So if you intentionally break reasonable laws, you should go unpunished?

I don't think it's the punishment people are worried about because he does deserve to be punished, buuut if this is true then I think everyone can agree torturing him is wrong, especially when the courts haven't decided whether he is guilty or not a fundamental human right.

He isn't being tortured.

What is there to torture him about? There is no information to extract. He is just an Army private who gave some classified documents to wikileaks. He isn't part of a terrorist organization.

The only people saying he is being tortured are a few random sites, and they have 0 evidence to back it up.

At 4/8/11 12:38 PM, StalkerGuy wrote:

At 4/8/11 11:16 AM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: really want terrorists to know exactly where the US keeps its cache of nuclear weapons? Do you really want terrorists to know the easiest way to cause a meltdown at one of the nuclear powered plants that operates in the US?

Think before you shove your foot in your mouth.

Please name me an example where Wikileaks actually leaked any information about these things you mentioned.

They have not. However, the person that I quoted supported leaking anything and everything. Thanks for your shitty attempt at taking me out of context. Have a nice day.

I'm sure everyone who thinks he's getting tortured would all stop the cops from tazing a college student in public, because you don't stand for torture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkLUP-gm 4Q&feature=player_embedded#at=58

don't taze me bro.

At 4/8/11 12:51 PM, DarkMatter wrote: I'm sure everyone who thinks he's getting tortured would all stop the cops from tazing a college student in public, because you don't stand for torture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkLUP-gm 4Q&feature=player_embedded#at=58

don't taze me bro.

That's not torture. That's apprehending a suspect unnecessarily. Torture would have been tazing him for more than a minute.

At 4/8/11 12:53 PM, Dew wrote: Oh okay, so I guess by this logic we should never question our teachers, we should not express our opinion, and hell if an adult tells us to do something, we must do it, because if we don't we're some how being detrimental to society.

No, but secret government documents are classified for a reason. They contain sensitive information that not everyone should know about.

The government is not going to intentionally hurt the public. The government is controlled by the people, and governs with the consent of the people. At least, ours does.

At 4/8/11 12:45 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: They have not. However, the person that I quoted supported leaking anything and everything. Thanks for your shitty attempt at taking me out of context. Have a nice day.

Stop insulting everyone you reply to. It makes you look like an ass.

BTW, what's bad about wikileaks then? Why is publishing leaked files about troops fatally murdering innocent people a bad thing? How has wikileaks in any way supported terrorists?

Im about to go ape shit

At 4/8/11 01:07 PM, StalkerGuy wrote: fatally murdering

Redundancy.

How has wikileaks in any way supported terrorists?

Who said anything about terrorists. What he was saying is that the person he quoted supported 100% transparency into the government and military.

At 4/8/11 01:07 PM, StalkerGuy wrote:

At 4/8/11 12:45 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote: They have not. However, the person that I quoted supported leaking anything and everything. Thanks for your shitty attempt at taking me out of context. Have a nice day.

Stop insulting everyone you reply to. It makes you look like an ass.

BTW, what's bad about wikileaks then? Why is publishing leaked files about troops fatally murdering innocent people a bad thing? How has wikileaks in any way supported terrorists?

I'll spare your sensitive girlish feelings then. I'm sorry.

Because there is any other type of murdering beyond fatal. You obviously don't know what you're talking about either. Just another media zombie, taking what you read as fact. Almost all of those "innocents" are actually carrying rifles and weapons and pointing them at us. That, or they brign along their innocents for the ride. LOL ITS OK, LETS JUST CRAM A VAN FULL OF MEN WITH RIFLES, AND THEN PUT A CHILD IN THEIR AS WELL, THE US WILL LOOK BAD IF THEY SHOOT AT US. It's happened before, and it's bullshit. Sure, this person is innocent, but you really expect us to not do anything about assholes shooting at us because they have a child with them? Wikileaks released a cable detailing what allies and overseas US assets would cause the most damage to the nation if attacked. This is clearly painting a target for those with bad intentions.

At 4/8/11 12:53 PM, MercatorMapV2 wrote:

At 4/8/11 12:51 PM, DarkMatter wrote: I'm sure everyone who thinks he's getting tortured would all stop the cops from tazing a college student in public, because you don't stand for torture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkkLUP-gm 4Q&feature=player_embedded#at=58

don't taze me bro.

That's not torture. That's apprehending a suspect unnecessarily. Torture would have been tazing him for more than a minute.

Lol, damn merc I don't think a normal person can survive that, unless your heart's healthy enough to stay beating. But yeah your right it's not really torture, I was just saying if they're zealous for Mr. Wikileaks they should be zealous for him to.

I seem to be the only one that needs PROOF when it comes to these things. Just because Wikileaks says something doesn't make it true. I am gonna need more proof that Wikileaks when it comes to something like this.

At 4/8/11 01:15 PM, DarkMatter wrote: Lol, damn merc I don't think a normal person can survive that, unless your heart's healthy enough to stay beating. But yeah your right it's not really torture, I was just saying if they're zealous for Mr. Wikileaks they should be zealous for him to.

Well for the anti-establishment pricks, he is like a martyr.

At 4/8/11 01:23 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote:

At 4/8/11 01:15 PM, DarkMatter wrote: Lol, damn merc I don't think a normal person can survive that, unless your heart's healthy enough to stay beating. But yeah your right it's not really torture, I was just saying if they're zealous for Mr. Wikileaks they should be zealous for him to.

Well for the anti-establishment pricks, he is like a martyr.

THATS WHAT IM SAYING!! =P I guess there would be a thread for him if it wasn't old news huh? But yeah this whole thread seams to be an anti-establishment arguement put together with elmers glue.

At 4/8/11 01:26 PM, DarkMatter wrote:
THATS WHAT IM SAYING!! =P I guess there would be a thread for him if it wasn't old news huh? But yeah this whole thread seams to be an anti-establishment arguement put together with elmers glue.

Put together with elmer's glue, and popsicle sticks.

On the link, it says there's a petition you can sign. I'm not giving those fuckers my email address, you know why? Because it's not a petition, it's a way to find trouble makers and monitor them.