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Sounds great..Maybe people would realize they voted 5 on a dumb movie wouldn't count anymore

I have to say, that idea has both good and bad sides.
I mean, I like the current system that allows you to convey more than a yea-or-nay system, like "Nothing new" and such, But I'm also in favor of simplifying the voting. Maybe we should try the thumbs-up thumbs-down approach anyway, just to see how it works. Change is good.

I think the idea is a pretty good one, but what the hell is everyone talking about a thumbs middle for? Come on, think people. That doesnt make any sense. First off, how would it effect the score? And second, if you dont know what to vote for it, then dont vote.

I think the voting power thing is bullshit too. Every person should have equal power in voting. It defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

I think its a great idea!

That would be GREAT It would make a huge difference in the ability to actually have you vote count DO IT!!!

my god tom are you that fucking stupid!!!!!! you should of ben aborted!!! jesus christ tom! are you doing crack! fucking idiot why dont you put a thumb up your ass!

At 8/20/01 09:25 PM, shizzy wrote: I think the idea is a pretty good one, but what the hell is everyone talking about a thumbs middle for? Come on, think people. That doesnt make any sense. First off, how would it effect the score? And second, if you dont know what to vote for it, then dont vote.

I think the voting power thing is bullshit too. Every person should have equal power in voting. It defeats the purpose of the whole thing.

I think it would do much good for newgrounds and the people who make the flash!

Hell ya

Good fucking plan.

I think a lot of people vote 0-5 because they're crackheads. Most of those people also vote for the same movies every freakin day. How about changing the number of times a user can vote for an entry per month? (Like, say, 10) That way, maybe some of the high-rated crap stuff will actually go down and some of the underrated stuff could have a chance to shine...

i think this idea is great it is easier and cooler

i think this is one cool idea it would be faster and easier

I like the idea and I knida dont like the idea of it, On one hand its a good straight forward percentage, However one of the biggest parts of being a member is being able to have more power than the other users. So if this were to happen alot of people who are pretty experinced basically lost all of their power. And I dont know about the most part of the community but I actually Like the 1-5 scale, Its more accurate than giving someone a 0 or a 5.

I dunno. I actually use the numbers inbetween... But it would be more accurate overall to do the Siskel and Ebert thing

Bad idea. Limiting the voting system to just 2 choices will severely decrease the important little differences in the ranking of the movies.

Like you said, right now MOST of the users vote either 0 or 5 and that influences the votes probably more than anything else. However, other voters take advantage of the whole spectrum of choices and that also effects the rank of the movies.

So right now, it is possible for both types of voters to do things their own way. If you take out the 1-4, it can only make things worse because it limits one type of voter. Detailed voting doesn't hurt anything. Why take it out?

Here's a good example of the importance of detail. Let's compare Hot or Not and Face the Jury. Most people agree that FTJ is a more effective way of guaging one's looks (check the survey on www.youthink.com). And what's the only difference between Hot or Not and Face the Jury? Hot or Not ranks people 1,2,3,4... etc., while FTJ ranks 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5... etc. Even the public agrees, more choices lead to votes that better reflect the voter's true opinion.

I remember back when "The Final Task" was the top movie. To me that movie wasn't a 0 or a 5. It had great animation but it was hardly a movie because it had no plot. Therefore, I gave it a 3 on some days and a 4 on others.

In conclusion. Why fix what ain't broken?

p.s.- tom, if you're factoring these comments into your choice, remember one other factor... people will agree with you because they want you to like them

good idea
screw off the voting(x,0,1,2,3,4,5)
put the double thumbs in
i give it 2 thumbs up
screw strawberry clock he wants a 5 but he will not know about the thumbs thingy.hehe i hope goes down.
15 thumbs down=PERFECT ZERO%!
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I feel that it is an excellent idea. Although, I have no trouble how it is currently, but I do understand how others go about abusing it and such. However, I do agree with others that it should just be a yay or nay choice. Something in between should be implemented as well. But, if that choice is made, how much would that decision weigh in score?

For example, if a nay bring a score down, and a yay brings it up, what would the neutral do? If it were truly neutral, it would be equivilant to a 0, thus it would be pointless. Now, if it were to have a slightly positive weight to it, with say and equivilant to a 0.5, then you would have 3 different votes saying terrible, I like it a bit, or I really like it. Now you have 2 positives and 1 negative. To even this out, you're going to have to put another negative with a weight of -0.5. Now you have 4 different vote types. It'd almost be the same as it is now. It's really hard to say what should be done.

I am in support of a new vote system, but how exactly would it be balanced? That's the biggest question. Whether it'll be 2 voting choices, 3 or 4, it's hard to say which would be best. Although, all of them are less than 5 like it is now, heh.

if you notice, alot of people here want a thumbs up, thumbs down, and a middle flat hand option. So right there, people are saying, let us vote on a 3 button system rather than a 5... Really, the 5 button system lets you say mediocre though, as well as saying it was between mediocre and good, and between mediocre and bad, which is important sometimes in the way you feel about a movie...
If people want to just vote 1 or 5, good for them, maybe thats the way they feel about a movie, but for others who only think a movie partially sucks, or rules but not as much as something else, the 1-5 system still rules... please dont get rid of it...

Tom, how would the current grounds gold fit in? Would veteran users still get more voting power? You didn't really outline that, and I don't want you to forget about it.

I really think that this sounds like a bad idea, which is pretty weird 'cuz I was (the) one who wrote Tom and suggested it (about 3 months ago. Jeez, this guy is more unreachable than Arnold Schwarzenegger (sp?)!!! Wade rules though...) I think it's an overall bad idea though. 'Cuz toons that just go straight from the #1 recently submitted spot to the #21 without getting noticed much and never seen again, will get seriously hurt/helped in ways they don't deserve. However I still believe that the voting comments that Pico so kindly gives the user REALLY need to be changed. (Yeah Tom, users actually care about NG. You can't just shovel them crap that you find appropriate! This is like AOL, it started out as a private little corporation/site (you get the idea) but it has grown to such an extent you no longer have a little club you can do whatever you want to, you must treat the users as the public of a country and give them what they want. Capiche? (I have no idea how to spell that but I always wanted to say it...))

ANYWAY! The thumbs up/thumbs down system will not work, please don't even try it, and now I'm going to rant about how the comments suck.

The commments on each of the numbers have VERY little to do with each other. For instance, 0 and 3 are about effort. Yeah, so? I put a lot of effort into two toons and submitted 'em, and they got deleted within hours! Whereas other people, who are more skilled, *cough* WILL STAMPER!*cough* submit some piece of crap like Myce, and simply because they have such a huge ego and good reputation on Newgrounds, it gets exalted and praised like some masterpiece. Then you have 4, claiming that it's one of the best Portal entries ever. Hello!? Does Tom not realize that very few of the greatest entries ever rarely achieve a 4, and even then they usually fall down to a 3.xx very soon? Then there is 1, which says it's one of the worst Portal entries ever. Not really... Most 1 films/games are actually pretty decent. 2, which judges the Flash on it's originality. What's that about? That has very little to do with whether or not it's any good... A lot of good video games (I don't about console games, I generally stear clear of those low-tech things. Plenty of good games, but I just can't get past the primitive graphics and sound. =/ That's why I wait until they're old when a new batch is coming out, so I can buy the console, two controllers, memory cards and other accessories, and a game for only $20. Good deal, and by then the graphics/sound are so bad you CAN look past it! Good deal, huh?) for the PC aren't original at all. Serious Sam was a fairly good first person shooter, and it wasn't original by any means. All it did was take the best elements from other FPSs, old and new, and put them together for a nice quick mindless break from life. And 5, well, that's just silly. Nothing ever achieves it except Vote 5 For Porn movies so I don't care what that says. It could say that it's better than rubbing a monkeys butt for all I care, as long as it's reasonable.

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at first i thought you would need a neutral button, but then i realized that the reason i only vote 0 or 5 so much is just to move the movie's score towards what i think it should be, and the actual score is never exactly at what i think, so you would never really need to use the neutral button, if you vote like most people.

and yeah, i know it would be a problem for the first voter on a mediocre movie, but he can just give a thumbs up or down, and if the next person has the same opinion, he can do the opposite to give a 50%

not my cup of tea

I don't think this is a great idea. Some of the portal will be messed up from this. The Top 50 would be split and other games that had a 2.49 will be dropped. Teachers have let me slide with a lesser grade. I'm pretty happy with the 0-5 thing, I just think people should be more honest.

Shit sorry, I just used Max's image from Darcreeper.com. Sorry.

i use the other buttons. i won't vote a 5 unless the movie is better than most of the other stuff i have seen. i guess you should put in a thumbs up, a middle, a thumbs down, and a big middle finger in place of the "too offensive" button. possibly a button for better than a thumbs up.

What does everyone think of this?

Why the bloody hell not?

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Personally, I like the 0-5. Wasn't there a gaming magazine or game show years ago who used much the same thing? At any rate, there are times when a "yay/nay" vote just won't cut it. I mean, it's not either good or bad... there's varying degrees. Pitching it as black or white [yay/nay] is oversimplified. At least the 0-5 system is honest.

Good idea! There should be a middle one, too. You got (YAY!), it's good, and (NAY!), it's bad. Need one for: (MAYBE!), it could use some work, but pretty damn good. Without a middle ground, you'd see some peoples scores go really low, or really high.

Not a bad idea, sounds good. I never use 1 or 4 and either does anyone else. I think its a shame that people dont use 1-4 when movies JUST come out. Like i post and movie and because everyone votes 0 or 5 it has a huge effect on my score. Maybe instead of a whole new system just make it that after 30 votes 0 and 5 are available. Well thats my idea anyways
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