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Sounds good tom.

But i'm a bit worried.
I'm finishing a movie and its gonna be my first.

I think the system might be abused and would stop genuine newcomers to the portal submitting content that they have tried on but does not reach the standards of other movies.

But I think we should try it for a few months.

Oh and I suggest a "middle" thumbs for just ok movies.

I think if you're going to abandon the current voting system, you should have at least 4 choices: Good, Okay, Bad, and Remove. This way, you can track neutral users, and movies will still be removed with enough complaints. Otherwise, I think it's a good idea. Sometimes I get stuck when voting for a movie. I'm sure other users feel the same way. This will simplify things for everyone and make both sides of the debate happy.

Personally, I think the system is fine as is. The most common scores I give are 2's and 3's. I rarely give a four or a 1 (only if it's crappy stick figures and rainbow colors, or something else deserving of that score)

I only give X's to extremely rascist or pornographic material that doesn't belong on NG anyway. ("Cow Poke" on the Daily top 5 a while back)

I've given maybe four 5's in my entire time spent on NG. (more than a year) These where to: Combat Instinct 2, Hostage Situation 2, and The Final Task.

Personally, all of the little llamas voting either 1, X, or 5's on movies need to be dragged out into an alley and beaten with a bat until they pass out. Mathematically, it makes sense..but it also screws over a lot of people who do a lot of good work (not "5" quality..but 3 or 4)

That's just my opinion. Toodles.

Why not try putting a new voting system (thumbs up, thumbs down, neutral) right below the current voting system we have now and then see which one is more popular?

I think the new voting system would be a hell of alot easier. When ever I vote, it's hard enough to decided if the movie blows or it's a go.
The Siskal and Ebert "Thumbs Up/Down" would be better for everyone.

Actually, I do use 1-4 often, not because i'm oting on the movie itself, but i'm comapring it to other movies like it and to other movies that were wthe exact worth of "5" or "0."
Some movies aren't going to be great or terrible. Don't be so black and white. Make it 3 buttons: thumbs up, thumbs down, and a flat horizontal hand (the "eh, so-so" sign).

What about the "Remove this permanently" vote (the X icon) ?

It'd be a hell of a lot easier than 0-5, less things to think about.

Great idea!!! All the people I know only votes 0-5 including me so.... DO THE THUMB VOTING

make it with three settings: thumbs up (good), thumbs down (bad), or thumbs to the side (not really caring)

Don't have much to say except...Yes,,I believe it is a very good idea...So Later...

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

Im for it

What does everyone think of this?

I think Newgrounds will still get the same crap it's been getting. What you should do is get wid of how much weight a single voter has. Make it so that as someone levels up, the more exp Points they need to level up again. Or, make it so light or dark users have less voting power than neutral users. Your idea will just give the same results either way, and changing things will just be pointless.

I agree with your thinking, Tom. Introducing a system with either a yes or no vote would simplify things, and would more accurately reflect the opinion of voters at Newgrounds.

However, I think it would be interesting if you would begin to impliment a system with varying degrees of light or darkness. In addition to that, I think it would be interesting to encourage those submitting content to the Portal to suck up to the Top 20 Grounds Gold users, begging for a positive vote to boost their movie's score.

I look forward to such new features. Keep mixing things up to maintain a sense of activity in Newgrounds.

~ Kevlar Dragon

While this might streamline voting it had as many others have said there is a terrible risk of abuse. I have use Pretty much the whole number system (very few x's, but I have used them). If I tottaly despise something as useless it'll get the 1. If I feel it is a masterpiece of flash creation it gets the 5. But there's a sl oa lot of movies which get 2-4 which I don't feel go either way. I only had two options there's a good chance all the movies that I would've voted either a 2-3 or on would now get the dreaded thumb's down and more okay movie's would be entirely purged from the normal newgrounds even when they weren't crap. The current system has it's flaws but, but this newly proposed one actually has even more.

What does everyone think of this?

I think it is Not a good Idea. For the amout of time it would take to change things only to get the same results. Instead try limiting the how much weight the voter has. Try making it so that as someone levels up the more experience points they need to level up again. And/or you can make it so light or dark users have less voting power. Screen How a often a user uses a cartain number. (Say if they only vote 5 or 0, give them less voting power) There are many ways you can change things, or you can use all of these.

It is the law of averages, "The more you put in, the more you get out."

i dont care if you change the system or not...as long as we still get weighted scores for people with more points, then i dont care, cos my votes are worth almost 8 people and i dont wanna lose that...but if we still get weighted votes, then im for the new system, cos i usually just vote 5 on the same movies everyday anyways

Well Mr.fulp,
I think it's a outstanding idea!!!
Please hook that soon, it sure would make voting a hell of alot easier.
Thanks
playboyxxx21

I just saw that I posted the same thing twice. My computer messed up and I was forced to restart it. Anyway I was reading some of the things people put down and have come up with other ideas. Different degrees of light and dark. Mix that with my other ideas. Also I noticed that people are all for making things easier. I just have one comment about that. Voting is not about easy. There is alot of thought that should go into it. If people are not able to think about it, than they should not vote. I know that they might just want to express themselves, but I hate it when there is something in the top 20 and I go look at it, and it turnes out to be total dogshit. Try making catagories in the portal so people have a better idea as to what they are watching before the watch it. Anyway if you want Newgrounds to be better, than I suggest a major overhaul.

I know I have alot of ideas but tis better to have many ideas than be braindead.

Great idea the 0-5 thing is getting boaring DO IT TOM!!!

I don't like this idea. there are some movies that I don't like eather way so I vote 2 or 3 but if you do go to the tumbs up-down idea make one that is inbetween....

I dig it. It will work much more smoothly this way.

Though I wil agree the voteing system does need a few small changes I'll have to disagree with the new idea of changeing it to a thumbs up thumnbs down voteing system for several reasens...

First off the voteing system we're useing now really is quite fine the way it is... the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it " is put to a good use here... I mean really it already has the thumbs up or thumbs down principal incorperated into it already.... 0 being down and 5 being up ; however , it also inquires 1 to 4 wich I think is really good at the early stages of a movie... especially for all those SHIT movies submitted by the seemingly third world countries ahahah I mean some of them are half assed but they make me laugh... I don't want to vote 5 and I don't want to vote 0.... If we were to change to the thumbs up thumbs down idea I would be forced to and would end up not voteing at all!

On the other hand though I think the secound idea about the percentages really brings up somthing.... I have always thought the score of maximum 5 and minimum 0 range wasn't large enough.... Most of my movies kind of hang around 3.45 3.55 I think it would be a lot more accurate if it was (for example) 79.45% and 70.23%... the votes would affect the scores a lot more... with the large volume of people voteing on the movies now with such a small range to move around in (0 - 5) after 200 people have voted on a movie the following votes really don't have any affect at all..... It's all in the math averages just like if you have 200 dollars you won't care if you lose one... but whatever thats not the point! the point is if there was a larger range of numbers to move around from like 100.00 - 0.00 rather than 5.00 - 1.00
then peoples votes would still affect the score after 200 people voted on them! Being an animator myself it would mean more to me as well haveing more accurate votes rather than all your movies just sitting around at 3.50 just below the top 50 scores!

Well thats my two cents... I think it makes sense! So thumbs down on the thumbs up thumbs down idea and thumbs up on the percentages idea!!!!

Though I wil agree the voteing system does need a few small changes I'll have to disagree with the new idea of changeing it to a thumbs up thumnbs down voteing system for several reasens...

First off the voteing system we're useing now really is quite fine the way it is... the old saying "if it ain't broke don't fix it " is put to a good use here... I mean really it already has the thumbs up or thumbs down principal incorperated into it already.... 0 being down and 5 being up ; however , it also inquires 1 to 4 wich I think is really good at the early stages of a movie... especially for all those SHIT movies submitted by the seemingly third world countries ahahah I mean some of them are half assed but they make me laugh... I don't want to vote 5 and I don't want to vote 0.... If we were to change to the thumbs up thumbs down idea I would be forced to and would end up not voteing at all!

On the other hand though I think the secound idea about the percentages really brings up somthing.... I have always thought the score of maximum 5 and minimum 0 range wasn't large enough.... Most of my movies kind of hang around 3.45 3.55 I think it would be a lot more accurate if it was (for example) 79.45% and 70.23%... the votes would affect the scores a lot more... with the large volume of people voteing on the movies now with such a small range to move around in (0 - 5) after 200 people have voted on a movie the following votes really don't have any affect at all..... It's all in the math averages just like if you have 200 dollars you won't care if you lose one... but whatever thats not the point! the point is if there was a larger range of numbers to move around from like 100.00 - 0.00 rather than 5.00 - 1.00
then peoples votes would still affect the score after 200 people voted on them! Being an animator myself it would mean more to me as well haveing more accurate votes rather than all your movies just sitting around at 3.50 just below the top 50 scores!

Well thats my two cents... I think it makes sense! So thumbs down on the thumbs up thumbs down idea and thumbs up on the percentages idea!!!!

I heavily agree with the Thumbs Up, Flat Hand, and Thumbs down system.

However, what is going to happen to those who have been voting since the dawn of Newgrounds and the system where our votes count more? I greatly enjoyed this award system and heavily support it. But of course i hold a biased opinion:-)

i think you should do the new voting system. also, check thi animation out, watch it all, it has a surprise near the end.
http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view.php?id=28669

Whatever floats your boat, Tom.

At 8/20/01 06:50 PM, TomFulp wrote:

Imagine someone watches a movie. They think, "That movie isn't too good", so they give it a thumbs down.
The second person comes to see the movie. They don't think it is that great, but they see it has a score of 0%, so they give it a thumbs up because they think it isn't THAT BAD. So now the movie has 50%.
The next user comes along and thinks the movie deserves more than 50%, so he gives it a thumbs up - it now has 75%. The next user doesn't think it is worth that much, so he gives it a thumbs up... Now it is somewhere around 64% - I'm no math genius.

I'm no math genius either but I believe the pecentages would have been 0%, 50%, 67%, then 75%, given that each user has the same voting power. Just fucking with you, I know you meant thumbs down on the 4th user.

The point is, people tend to vote on whether they want to see the score go higher or lower, which is why I think this system would work. Comments? :)

I agree with your reasoning but I believe it is too complicated for those middle thumbs people. Middle thumbs, hehehehehe, that sounds so retarded.

Hello, I'm Roger Ebert and today I'll be reviewing The Score. I liked Ed Norton but didn't like Robert DeNiro so I think I'll give it a..........Thumbs Middle!

That last bit was for my own amusement.