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I think the idea SUCKS. Just raise it to a 0-10 scale.

Did I mention I feel that everybody is sucking up to you because youre the webmaster??? Or maybe its just me.

THUMBS UP. It's a lot simpler. Plus, since you don't have to dicide on a spectrum, it'll probably get more people to vote. I like it. Change it!

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote:

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.



What does everyone think of this?

Sounds good to me.

Umm..

I say that it will be work for you to implement this thumbs down/up thing, while still disabling all the "good" people who vote 1's and 4's.

So why not just let it be? You'd have to remod everything with all this vote cRap.

I have to agree with baldguywithahat. There are a lot of good movies that are scored the same with mediocre movies on the current X-5 scale. I think with an X-10 scale there wouldn't be 50 movies with a rating of 3.49 waiting to creep into the top 50 list. Instead of taking away the number of choices we have to vote with a thumbs up/down system, we should have more choices than we currently have. Sometimes when voting I think to myself if The Final Task can only muster a 3.5, then most movies don't deserve a higher rating than 0 or 1. An X-10 scale would be fair for more movies.

Implementing this new system is almost like punishing the people who do use the current system properly. What most people do shouldn't determine what everyone is to do. This is too Siskel/Ebert-like, B&W, etc. Newgrounds should remain grey. I have seen many good points raised against this and no good good points raised for it. The only point for it is "it's what most people do anyway." That isn't a good reason for anything.

Just remember, if majority rule was such a good thing, we wouldn't have so many angry mobs.

I think figuring out a way to keep stolen movies out of the portal, concocting a system so alphas can be deleted by the poster once their movie is online, and the NG pay club should take precendence over changing a voting system that isn't broken. It's users may be, but the system is not.

I think a damn good I'dea

Thats Sounds Great!

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

It's a great idea because honest voters use 1-4. Forcing them to choose yay or nay would even things up and hopefully make the portal a steadier place. I think you should also ditch the experience based vote power because since it was implemented, it seems that the top of the week always gets to be number 1 of alltime!

Holy crap! This is so simple yet its simplicity makes it a golden idea! Tom the sooner the better. Time to ass whomp bad movies off the planet

Well Tom, I think the current voting system is just fine. If some people want to vote 0 or 5 just because, so be it. But I like the variety of choice in voting, so if you do change it, perhaps make it like a "great, good, bad, terrible" scale.

At 8/20/01 01:44 PM, BaldGuyWithaHat wrote: Did I mention I feel that everybody is sucking up to you because youre the webmaster??? Or maybe its just me.

You think?

And rest assured, the thumbs up scale will be implimented. The front page music is still there, isn't it?

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

:go for it but what about the X symbole when sumthing goes aginstr newgrounds rules

great!

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.
What does everyone think of this?

I like the idea. We get to massacre the stick figure flashes and vote up the good ones. Thats a great idea!

Great Idea, lets do it.

Sounds good!

Well......It sounds ok...but what if a movie is ok.......you should put a like in the middle sign that would go between thumbs up and thumbs down. Like a.....hand going so-so or something. Cuz I seen a lot of movies that I deffinately would not vote five. Or zero. Because it's somewhat ok. I posted an example picture.

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

Works for me. But Nobody listens to LV.1 n00bs, right?

At 8/20/01 01:42 AM, Infernus wrote: I think it's a really good idea but i think there should be a middle. Like good neutral and bad.

Thats precisely what the change is about, getting rid of the middle. Did you not understand the post?

I like it!!! Good idea!

I think that you should do a Thumbs-Up (yes), Thumbs-Sideways (neutral), and a Thumbs-Down (no). It seems like a better idea.

I agree with arrogance. The thumbs-up thumbs-down idea will just enhance the unfairness of the voting system because the assholes who already vote zero for everything will just vote thumbs down for everything except crap that they, for some perverse reason, find "hella funny". What you really need to do is abolish the experience points system so that everyone has an equal voice. The reason that many people vote 5 or 0 is that it's the only way they can make themselves heard among thousands of people whose votes are worth 10 of theirs. Your idea might work, but I don't like the principle of it. It doesn't really allow people to express their feelings, I very, very rarely give fives and only give zeros to crap that is soon deleted. One way of dealing with this might be giving the reviewers more power. If you are going to review a movie, you put a lot more effort into analysising it properly and giving a fair score (well, mostly :B). The average review rating could be displayed alongside average score; the review rating could even be a factor in calculating the final score! It's not a perfect idea, but it's food for thought...

Dagger Happy :-{B

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

I would just like to say that I've voted on a fair amount of movies and only once or twice did I ever think a film was worthy enough of a five. I use the in-between votes constantly because I feel I give the films what they deserve. Now I don't want to seem like I'm yelling or complaining, which I am not. I'm just stating what I do. As for the new voting mrthod, I think it sounds interesting. After all, anything's worth a shot at least once. Adios.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

Good idea,my local radio station has that kind of voting thing regarding new songs and airplay. (shameless plug- http://www.koko.com/hot30 ) Basically, you can either cue it or screw it. The amount of "cues" a song gets,the more airplay.
It's a great idea.

Great idea I know I only vote 5's and 0's.
BUT!
there should be more than just thumbs up and thumbs down.
there should be:
thumbs up (Liked it)
open hand (Not great, but showed effort)
thumbs down (Crap)
middle finger (offensive please remove)

and while I'm here let me suggest something please take this into consideration. People should lose experience for getting their movies deleted, and people should ber rewarded with experience for good movies. eg top 5 gets you +10, daily feature +25, top for the week +10 etc.

Thanks for listening!!

Actually, now that I have been thinking about this throughout the day, I think it would be a terrible idea to switch voting systems. Either way, small minded people are going to vote strictly 0's and 5's. Going to a yay or nay system would just force this behavior. Why should my carefully thought out critiques be limited because some jerkoff gives every porn a 5 and every stick drawing a 0? I am a dark reviewer, but if you were to see how I usually vote, most people get 2's or 3's.

I would rather see a running tab in the profile section of how many 0's or 2's or whatever I have given. For instance Gatorman has 1300 experience points, is dark, and has given 35 0's, 35 1's, 200 2's, etc.

PLEASE don't limit our reviews!

I think this sounds great. And also, maybe we should have to vote BEFORE we review if we want to review at all. I think more people are reviewing and not voting which isn't as helpful.

another bril idea from tom fulp but i agree with all the users that say there should be a O.K button but also u should have a decimal system that should say it above or below average.

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