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At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

yes... do that...

I think that a thumb up/thumb down system would be a very good idea.

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

I think it's a good idea Tom.Although, you should make a neutral button.If you can't decide what to pick, just then press it.I only vote 0 or 5 but I stil think there should be a neutral button.Well, that's all I have to say.
Ayways, good idea Tom.

Personally, I'm one that will use the intermediate scores. Your idea is a good one.. and if you deem it worth the effort, go for it.

Keep the 0-5 vote.

I still vote between 1-4 even on super high movies. I don't care about my 'impact', I care about how I feel it deserves. I will not vote on a movie that mostly sucks with a 0, because I honestly feel it deserved some credit with its good parts.

I think those kids who vote with just a 0 or 5 should be shot. They have no taste for artistic merit and abuse the power offered to them.

But it's not like the portal is fucked-up anyway. Ever since grounds gold users were given more power to their vote, it just made 0's and 5's worse. That, and the lack of retiring long-standing #1-of-all-time's from being voted on, has made the portal less enjoyable for me.

Great idea, Tom... I tend to use either the 5 button or the 0 button myself. I think a thumbs up/down system would be much better.

Shuli

I think that a thumbs up/thumbs down system would be too black and white as it would force us to choose between liking or disliking a movie. If you do decide to implement the thumbs up/thumbs down system, I think you should also include a neutral thumb for all of those movies out there that aren't quite cool, but don't quite suck either. As for how a neutral thumb would count toward a movie's score, I'll let you guys figure that out.

I usually vote in the 2-4 range if I think a movie was good but not great. It's rare that I vote zero or five. But anyway, that sounds like a good idea.

I personally do use the middle buttons, i almost never give a movie a 5, and rarely a 1, I mostly use the buttons inbetween. This other system u are thinking of would work great but would ruin more accurate ratings. I personally think it is fine right now, but it's up to you (Tom) and the rest of the NG users to make the choice.

I really want to vote against this. I personally use the middle icons a lot, and reckon you should give people this option.

NOt bad, but what about your vote being worth more based on how many points you have because right now, each of my votes are worth 3.2 votes and I would still like to have this power.

I think, judging by how you put it, this is a good idea. if nobody uses 1-4, and all that ever gets used are 0 or 5, well, you my as well just make it two icons. i agree with your idea, but it is also good to have more icons to choose from (X-5). i dont care if you leave it the same or change it, but for the few people that do fairly vote on movies, i would leve the original 6 icons. if you do use thumbs up thumbs down, i would also add a "too offensive" icon as well.

Sounds good to me

That is a great idea. Do it, do it!

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

I think it's a great idea, because the majority of portal users usually vote an X,0, or 5 anyway. Though I do agree on the fact that there should be a "thumbs medium" button. Would the review system go by this though, or will it still keep the same 1-10 style? I don't think anyone has mentioned this yet, but what if a movie has 11 votes, and every one is a thumbs up? Would it still be at 100%, or would this system go over 100%?

Yeah, it a good idea man.

this sounds like a good idea at first, but the more i think of it, the more we need the 1-4 for a middle ground. I use the 1-4 often, if i think a movie rocked, but had a couple flaws, i give it a 4.

Keep the old rating system.

This is an okay idea I think, but I agree with some when they say that there should be a " I think it was okay" or an "I don't give a shit..." button. Otherwise, Tom, I think that it is a good idea. Tom, when will this go into effect?

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

That sounds like a pretty good idea

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

NervousIC: Well, uh... I think it's okay.

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

We still need the numbers. How good a movie is is more complicated than up/down. Keep the numbers.

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

Thumbs up to that...:D

At 8/20/01 01:28 AM, TomFulp wrote: I have some crazy ideas for the site that I might implement over the next few months, but one involves changing the current voting system. I thought it would be good to get some feedback!

What we've noticed is that a lot of users vote either 0 or 5 on movies, because they want to either raise or lower the score. People are igoring 1-4 because there are so many voters and you need to be extreme to make a difference in a movies score.

Sooo... What if we ditched the 0-5 system for a thumbs up / thumbs down system? Basically it would be a yay or nay, and we would calculate a score based on how many thumbs up for how many total votes. For example, if a movie has 10 votes, 6 being a thumbs up, it would have a score of 60%.

It would simplify the voting process and the results might actually end up being better... We could still track light and dark users based on their vote vs. the score... So if a movie has an 80% and someone votes against it, that would still count towards making them a darker user.

What does everyone think of this?

Since I usually vote 5 or X, I would think the new voting system you thought up would be a lot better. Instead of voting 0-5, you vote either 0 or 5. Good idea! This new one will work out better.

I dont know if i like the idea or not i almost never vote 5's and 0's only when it is a pice of shit movie and when you cut it down to just thumbs up or thumbs down it makes it alot harder to vote there needs to be like thumbs up thumbs down middle and total shit for the stuff that shouldnt even be submitted in the first place

nah, heep the current voting system!

Yeah sure, lets try it. IT reminds me of all those pass/fail courses I took in high school (I passed most of them).

The thumbs up/thumbs down thing will accomplish absolutely nothing because the SAME lamers that vote for zeros and fives to raise and lower stuff will do the same with the thumbs up/down. It won't make any difference, except making the middle ground movies (2.5s) get NO exposure.

How about THIS, Tom. Like I suggested before, why don't you make the voting power directly correlate to your movie average. No offense, people, but those that DON'T MAKE FLASH MOVIES SHOULDN'T HAVE AS MUCH OR MORE VOTING POWER THAN THOSE THAT DO. Likewise, people who submit movies that constantly get 1s and 0's shouldn't have as much power as those that are in the three average.

Voting power should be determined by TASTE, and not how much you click a button. There's no way that some little 8 year old searching for porn and violence's vote should be worth more than razoric's for instance.

It all matters as to what you're trying to accomplish with this site. Voting power based on average movie rating would be the best way to ensure that the best flash movies are showcased. But it's not like you're going to listen to me anyway, so whatever.

This new system sounds pretty gay. Not being someone who votes like that (0/5).Change it back!!!!!

i think the thumbs system would be cool

im not too excited, i dont think its brilliant, but if u do make that system, at least make a "thumbs in the middle" or something, i hate a black or white decision. (even newgrounds is blaack or yellow, not white mind you!)