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but im a friggin kid! I do have kid-like behaviors at times. But whenever it comess to politics and deciding the fate of the world....i can't take ANYTHING more serious

i fel terrible for those reviews right now...but i cant give up my argument

i think the voting age right now is a perfect age... the younger the worse because i know there is going to be the young stupid "i just voted for anyone because i dont give a shit" kid who is going to get a fucked up president for us.. now that would suck wouldnt so lets just try to keep the voting age at its normal.

Why would we lower the voting age? Most kids age 18 and under as it is are incredibly impressionable and most likly are just going to either follow what their parents vote or intentally go against what their parents vote. In either case it doesnt have the basis for an educated vote.

Another point: something like 20% of the people ages 18-28 dont vote whereas people 75% of people over 55 vote. So the question than becomes how to influence younger voters to vote rather than just lowering the voting age.

At 4/27/04 12:29 PM, xlaw42 wrote: Why would we lower the voting age? Most kids age 18 and under

I have consistently indicated 16 and above. That doesn't include everyone under 18.

as it is are incredibly impressionable and most likly are just going to either follow what their parents vote or intentally go against what their parents vote.

The same argument could be applied to all aspects of the general populous - should we restrict voting priviliges of wives and husbands because, perhaps, they'll vote the way of their spouse?

In either case it doesnt have the basis for an educated vote.

Another point: something like 20% of the people ages 18-28 dont vote whereas people 75% of people over 55 vote.

Source and relevance.

So the question than becomes how to influence younger voters to vote rather than just lowering the voting age.

Why can't it be both?

If kids are impressionable and follow parents' votes, then parents could start having enormous quantatites of kids to try to give them a little bit of a political edge. That will only add to our overpopulation problem.

I for one can tell you that most kids will have no idea what to do with voting, leading to the above scenario. However, I believe that if the voting age is lowered, many kids will take their oppurtunity more seirously.

It all depends if lowering the age will give kids the incentive to become more mature.

You should have to pass a basic test to be able to vote. If 5 year olds can pass it, than let them vote. Easy questions like "who is this parties leader" "name one thing this party would do if elected" then you don't get dumb ppl who know nothing trying to vote

I dont like the whole voting age thing. I think it wrongly generalizes an entire age group as immature and ignorant. I say take an exam testing your intelligence and maturity.

I still don't think children should be able to vote.

Comon skunk, at least do us the favor of elaborating on opinion, when I see your name next to the subject on the forum page I expect seeing something that might expand the discussion.

I remember arguing with someone here last week, in which he said that he would vote for Bush out of pure spite against his critics rather than because he thought Bush would do a good job. This person was also 19... And I hear crap like that constantly from the kids who don't know jack shit about the world around them and happen to be of voting age. If anything, I'd say repeal the 26th Amendment and raise the voting age back to 21. It's not as if enough of the 18 to 21 age braket even cares enough to actually go out and vote anyway.
So, I guess to summarize my argument into an answer to the question of whether or not I think the voting age should be lowered, I firmly say "No!".

At 6/29/04 10:25 PM, cheshirepus wrote: I remember arguing with someone here last week, in which he said that he would vote for Bush out of pure spite against his critics rather than because he thought Bush would do a good job. This person was also 19... And I hear crap like that constantly from the kids who don't know jack shit about the world around them and happen to be of voting age. If anything, I'd say repeal the 26th Amendment and raise the voting age back to 21. It's not as if enough of the 18 to 21 age braket even cares enough to actually go out and vote anyway.
So, I guess to summarize my argument into an answer to the question of whether or not I think the voting age should be lowered, I firmly say "No!".

That's a generalization though, I've spoken to 80 year olds just as ignorant, if not moreso. A test of overall maturity and intelligence would eliminate assumptions that anyone over 18 is mature and anyone under is gonna vote by picking names out of a hat.

I would say so, but to an age of minors that have gained intellectual independence from ones peers, family, and media (at least the "hype" media tends to let off). An age to where one can think for oneself without worrrying whatsoever about the individual but the issues they stand for. With adolescents (including myself) becoming as diverse in maturity as ever, I honestly would not know the exact age of the limit, but minors should get that right before having their votes count as a whole.

If they aren't seen as capable adults, I don't see why they should be able to vote. The vast majority of <18 are still raised by their parents, and aren't declared independent. (The fact that children can be sentenced as adults notwithstanding - I don't agree with that either.)

At 4/26/04 06:56 PM, zachomis wrote: but im a friggin kid! I do have kid-like behaviors at times. But whenever it comess to politics and deciding the fate of the world....i can't take ANYTHING more serious

fine, I'll let you vote as long as you enlist. We'll treat you like an adult and let you fight, if per say your number is called.

Happy voting!

At 6/30/04 03:01 AM, red_skunk wrote: If they aren't seen as capable adults, I don't see why they should be able to vote. The vast majority of <18 are still raised by their parents, and aren't declared independent. (The fact that children can be sentenced as adults notwithstanding - I don't agree with that either.)

Okay, so we agree that sentencing children as adults is wrong - right? So, don't you see a double standard?

There are so many double standards when it comes to those under 18 being treated identically to those over 18 that it disgusts me; the example above being one in particular (I have many other examples in my previous posts on this thread, refer to those).

Unless we can eliminate these double standards that stand squarely against an individual's right to have society work for them and not just work for society, it's wholly unfair.

At 7/2/04 04:02 AM, NoHitHair wrote: Unless we can eliminate these double standards that stand squarely against an individual's right to have society work for them and not just work for society, it's wholly unfair.

O-k sure. But I suppose I'd rather try to eliminate the double standards than make them.. uh.. "regular standards"?

At 7/2/04 04:13 AM, SCHMEGULTON_MACGEE wrote:

At 7/2/04 04:02 AM, NoHitHair wrote: Unless we can eliminate these double standards that stand squarely against an individual's right to have society work for them and not just work for society, it's wholly unfair.

O-k sure. But I suppose I'd rather try to eliminate the double standards than make them.. uh.. "regular standards"?

What have you been smoking? They base the standard to prosecute them on the basis that they understand what they are doing.

At 7/2/04 09:11 AM, Ravens_Grin wrote: What have you been smoking?

I can answer that question

They base the standard to prosecute them on the basis that they understand what they are doing.

You said "they" three times in one sentence. I'm totally lost.

At 4/21/04 07:44 AM, NoHitHair wrote: Where I stand is simple. People under 18 are allowed to drive, get jobs, pay taxes, go to adult prison, be executed and other instances I'm sure I'm forgetting. But those same people aren't allowed to vote on any of the above issues. Additionally, the ones

Thank you so much!!! You've just helped me with my debate! Thanks!

At 7/2/04 08:42 PM, Justin12 wrote:

At 4/21/04 07:44 AM, NoHitHair wrote: Where I stand is simple. People under 18 are allowed to drive, get jobs, pay taxes, go to adult prison, be executed and other instances I'm sure I'm forgetting. But those same people aren't allowed to vote on any of the above issues. Additionally, the ones

Thank you so much!!! You've just helped me with my debate! Thanks!

Yet at the same time you are less likely to be executed than an adult, you are less likely to go to adult prison, you aren't allowed to work full time jobs as far as I know, and there are limits to your driving in many states now before the age of 18.

The few years before you turn 18 the government generally lets you get a small taste of being an adult without actually being one letting you prepare for adulthood, but it is still a few years from you being an actual adult.

Keep it at 18! It's a milestone anyways. That's when you become a legal Adult Citizen.

At 7/2/04 08:42 PM, Justin12 wrote:

At 4/21/04 07:44 AM, NoHitHair wrote: Where I stand is simple. People under 18 are allowed to drive, get jobs, pay taxes, go to adult prison, be executed and other instances I'm sure I'm forgetting. But those same people aren't allowed to vote on any of the above issues. Additionally, the ones

Thank you so much!!! You've just helped me with my debate! Thanks!

The jobs given to peopel younger than 18, driving, taxes and one's own conduct are all a lot simpler than the political system. Amd I seriously wouldn't trust someone who hasn't even graduated high school to have an impact on the way that I live for the rest of my life.

I'd have to say that there would be little to benifit from letting from letting the age group vote.

Teenagers have lots of other crap to worry about without having to concern themselves with medicare, shipping of jobs overseas, and and the economy. The voting ages from 18-24, although most "activist" are among the lowest numbers for voting period.

Letting lower age groups vote is like firing in the way wrong direction.

At 6/29/04 07:49 AM, NoHitHair wrote:

Another point: something like 20% of the people ages 18-28 dont vote whereas people 75% of people over 55 vote.

Source and relevance.

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/2003/section2/indicator15.asp#info

It shows the correlation between education level and voting traits. 18 year olds show the lower level of education and voting tendancies.

In order for democracy to work, it has to be run by intellegent people. Do any of you honestly want sixteen year olds choosing who runs what? I'm not much older and even I have my doubts on what the hell I even "know"; at least I can admit it.

At 7/2/04 08:53 PM, ReiperX wrote: Yet at the same time you are less likely to be executed than an adult, you are less likely to go to adult prison, you aren't allowed to work full time jobs as far as I know, and there are limits to your driving in many states now before the age of 18.

First of all, you need to prove the above statements - not spew them like vomit on everyone's screens. Secondly, where I live in Oregon, allow me to quote specifically the laws detailing a minor's ability to work (and keep in mind, I am specifically targeting 16 and above, as I previously have done with my posts):

"EMPLOYMENT OF MINORS:
For 16 and 17 Year Olds:
*Any hours (anytime including all possible hours of the day or night)
*44 hours per week maximum"

As for limits on driving, don't you think that adds weight to my argument? They DON'T get to vote on these issues whatsoever. Instead, we simply dictate to them the way they'll drive. So, in addition to not being able to vote on their wages, what taxes they ARE paying for the jobs they DO have - now you want to take away their rights to have a voice in how THEY drive? Hm. Okay.

The few years before you turn 18 the government generally lets you get a small taste of being an adult without actually being one letting you prepare for adulthood, but it is still a few years from you being an actual adult.

That's total horseshit. My aunt, for example, lived in a car when she was 14 and was circumventing the law dictating her (the law requires those that young of age to only work a maximum of 18 hours per week) by getting multiple jobs simply to stay alive. She lived on the street for those four years, but you're telling me "she got a taste" of adulthood? What about the fact that 16 year olds and above can legally drop out of high school? What about the fact that 16 year olds can legally get a full time job? What about the fact that 16 year olds are still killed by the government, but have no say in the matter?

Well, fuck 'em, right? They're just kids. What do they know?

At 7/3/04 05:41 AM, darkmage8 wrote: In order for democracy to work, it has to be run by intellegent people.

Oooh...we're getting into an entirely different debate now. If you believe that Democracy should require only intelligent people to have a say, then why not require standardized testing for voting privileges? Are you implying that all those under the age of 18 are 100% of the time less intelligent than those over 18?

Additionally, that's hardly Democracy, then, but rather an Aristocracy, or possibly an Oligarchy.

At 7/3/04 06:50 AM, NoHitHair wrote:

At 7/2/04 08:53 PM, ReiperX wrote: Yet at the same time you are less likely to be executed than an adult, you are less likely to go to adult prison, you aren't allowed to work full time jobs as far as I know, and there are limits to your driving in many states now before the age of 18.

First of all, you need to prove the above statements - not spew them like vomit on everyone's screens. Secondly, where I live in Oregon, allow me to quote specifically the laws detailing a minor's ability to work (and keep in mind, I am specifically targeting 16 and above, as I previously have done with my posts):

"EMPLOYMENT OF MINORS:
For 16 and 17 Year Olds:
*Any hours (anytime including all possible hours of the day or night)
*44 hours per week maximum"

There is still a maximum number of hours you can work as a minor. Sorry I said full time job. There is no real maximum for adults to work, I work 50 - 65 hours a week currently, and I am on call 24/7.

As for limits on driving, don't you think that adds weight to my argument? They DON'T get to vote on these issues whatsoever. Instead, we simply dictate to them the way they'll drive.

I'll pull up some facts on the driving after I get back from the store and eating today. But the reason a lot of states are now putting limits on the driving is because they are inexperienced drivers and have been in a lot of accidents and such because of their inexperience. I wouldn't have liked the laws when I was growing up, but if they were in place maybe about 8 of my friends that died in car accidents in highschool would still be alive. Driving believe it or not is a big responsibility, and while a lot of people don't really see it that way when you are driving you have not only your life, but the lives of everyone in your car and around you in your hand. Not something that I would want an inexperienced person having. Much like an inexperienced person having a say in the government.

So, in addition to not being able to vote on their wages, what taxes they ARE paying for the jobs they DO have - now you want to take away their rights to have a voice in how THEY drive? Hm. Okay.

Those taxes go for a lot of stuff, police department, fire department, the roads, all of the wonderful things that you use that are free, the things that you have been using for years that are free for you to use. Guess what gotta start paying for them sometime, maybe then you'll respect it more.

The few years before you turn 18 the government generally lets you get a small taste of being an adult without actually being one letting you prepare for adulthood, but it is still a few years from you being an actual adult.

That's total horseshit. My aunt, for example, lived in a car when she was 14 and was circumventing the law dictating her (the law requires those that young of age to only work a maximum of 18 hours per week) by getting multiple jobs simply to stay alive.

Sorry to hear thats how your aunt lived, but is that the norm? I would be willing to say no. Therefore your aunt is an exception to the rule, and she could have went places to get help.

She lived on the street for those four years, but you're telling me "she got a taste" of adulthood?

She got a taste of how harsh life can be.

What about the fact that 16 year olds and above can legally drop out of high school?

You're a fucking idiot if you drop out at 16. Personally I don't like that law.

What about the fact that 16 year olds can legally get a full time job?

In most states having a limit to the number of hours you can work, and most of the time you still cant support yourself on that job if you were living alone.

What about the fact that 16 year olds are still killed by the government, but have no say in the matter?

Guess what, if you do something to break that law that constitutes the death penalty, then you don't deserve to vote in the first place <and I don't think you are allowed to anyways with felony convictions, could be wrong here though>. And still, a jury is going to be a lot less likely to send a minor to be executed than an adult.

Well, fuck 'em, right? They're just kids. What do they know?

Exactly. While there are always exceptions to the rule, guess what, the normal 15 16 year old is still not ready to become and adult. The normal 15 - 16 year old is still too immature to understand how the system actually works. When you grow up you'll get a chance to vote, till then have fun being a kid cause you don't get your childhood back.

Ok the voting age is 18 because people under 18 are ignorant. Not that people of all ages aren't ignorant. But I am am under 18 and I know... the vote is too easily swayed. (DAMN CNN)

At 7/3/04 10:11 PM, secondmessiah wrote: (DAMN CNN)

DAMN FOX NEWS!

DAMN E! Online!