end the drug war

[wiatt]

there are many reasons why the drug war should be ended so lets start with history.many of the hard powerful drugs were around before the drug war yet there werent used nearly as much as thy are today.in the 1960s, when drug laws started to get enfoced more severly drug usage peaked.from that we can conclude not only that drug laws dont decrese drug usage but also increas drug usage.
many people say that drugs fund terrorism,but they would not fund terrorism if they were legal.you see since drugs are illegal the only people drug users can buy drugs from are criminals(or terrorists).if drugs were made legal people would buy them from legitimate manufacturers.for example look at alcahol prohibition.when we made alcohol illegal gangs and mafias rose up because they were the only ones who sold them.from that we can conclude thatdrug laws cause crime
millions and millions of taxdollers are spent on enforesment of drug laws we have to spend mony on prison space police oicers and many other things.from that we can conclude that drug laws wast mony.
i personaly think that doing drugs are stupid.but so is eating to many big macs.stupidity is not a crime.every one has a right to do whatever they want to there own body....bad for you or not.from this we can conclude that drug laws infringe freedom.
4 good reasons to end the drug war.who agrees

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[TheShrike]

I've always though marijuana should be legal, and tobacco should be outlawed.

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[wiatt]

At 4/20/04 04:03 PM, TheShrike wrote: I've always though marijuana should be legal, and tobacco should be outlawed.

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i no allot of people wou smoke(tobbaco and marajawana)and it is not as bad as those stupid real truth commersials let you think.ive secondary smopked my whole life and i still dontt have cancer

[LadyAurin]

I did a debate (informal) on this. Yes, the drugs should become legal, and you would lose the "rebels" from the drug tade, the prices would go down, and no one would do drugs. It's a fact (phyciatry)

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At 4/20/04 04:22 PM, wiatt wrote: i no allot of people wou smoke(tobbaco and marajawana)and it is not as bad as those stupid real truth commersials let you think.ive secondary smopked my whole life and i still dontt have cancer

You can't say that just because of your personal experience.

The Truth commercials deal with statistics. Not every single person will get cancer. So maybe not you.

[Auslese]

They could also tax such an industry heavily, and colleges and high ranking jobs would take drug tests, meaning that anyone who did the drugs would be people who would be using them anyways, and the government would make more money out of it.

[wiatt]

At 4/20/04 05:45 PM, Auslese wrote: They could also tax such an industry heavily, and colleges and high ranking jobs would take drug tests, meaning that anyone who did the drugs would be people who would be using them anyways, and the government would make more money out of it.

thank you for agreeing with me

[Ted-Easton]

You say the government has no right to control your body, which, to an extent, they are doing. Or, more specifically, controlling what you can control about your body. They do the same thing for your home, your car, and every aspect of life.
That's not the point.
A man wants to drink 20 millilires (a hyptothetical amount) of poison each day. Not immediately fatal, but immediately identifiable as a stupid idea. This isn't so different.
The government can't stop you from eating too many big macs.
But it will stop you from eating poison ones.

[RedSkunk]

At 4/20/04 03:23 PM, wiatt wrote: many of the hard powerful drugs were around before the drug war yet there werent used nearly as much as thy are today.in the 1960s, when drug laws started to get enfoced more severly drug usage peaked.from that we can conclude not only that drug laws dont decrese drug usage but also increas drug usage.

You can't conclude that. Just because they correlate doesn't mean that they have a direct relationship. The global population also skyrocketed in this time. There are too many variables for you to just be jumping to conclusions like that.

many people say that drugs fund terrorism,but they would not fund terrorism if they were legal.

Where do all the oil profits go to in Saudi Arabia, Iraq or Angola? It's been known to fund terrorist groups in the past, right? Oil is legal, right?

you see since drugs are illegal the only people drug users can buy drugs from are criminals(or terrorists).

You can always grow / make your own. That's not true.

if drugs were made legal people would buy them from legitimate manufacturers.

I wouldn't buy pot from corporations. Look at what they've done to tobacco.

from that we can conclude thatdrug laws cause crime

You're jumping to unbased conclusions again.

millions and millions of taxdollers are spent on enforesment of drug laws we have to spend mony on prison space police oicers and many other things.from that we can conclude that drug laws wast mony.

How do you figure? Just because the government spends money on the war on drugs, it's a waste of money? I guess you believe all government spending is inherently wasteful then?

every one has a right to do whatever they want to there own body.

See, that's not true. You aren't allowed to do certain drugs. It's illegal to commit suicide. Etc.

from this we can conclude that drug laws infringe freedom.

So do murder laws. Do you want them repealed?

At 4/20/04 04:22 PM, wiatt wrote: i no allot of people wou smoke(tobbaco and marajawana)and it is not as bad as those stupid real truth commersials let you think.ive secondary smopked my whole life and i still dontt have cancer

Debating the dangers of tobacco use is idiotic, infantile, and futile. Don't bother.

At 4/20/04 05:45 PM, Auslese wrote: They could also tax such an industry heavily,

Then people would buy it from outside drug dealers, remember? Why buy it form corporations if it's taxed heavily?

and the government would make more money out of it.

Remember how lottery money was going to be used for education, etc?

It doesn't. The amount of it going to schools, etc., is infinitesimily(sp) small.

Legalizing drugs wouldn't be a cash cow for the government. In fact, it could very well prove to be a drain.

[Ted-Easton]

Excellent rebuttal, RedScvnk.

[ReiperX]

At 4/20/04 03:23 PM, wiatt wrote: many people say that drugs fund terrorism,but they would not fund terrorism if they were legal.you see since drugs are illegal the only people drug users can buy drugs from are criminals(or terrorists).

Why not make muder and rape legal, that way there is less crime in the world, and less people in the prisons. Oh yeah because those crims effect other people. Now cocaine, heroine, they never hurt anyone besides the user now does it? Wait wait wait, the people that are addicted to them yet cannot afford to buy them are more likely to commit crimes, affecting other people in order to buy more drugs. PCP while its arguably not addictive mentally or physically, you can do a lot of harm to others while you are on PCP if you have a bad trip, or also heavy damage to yourself (had 3 friends die from this harmless drug).

:if drugs were made legal people would buy them from legitimate manufacturers.

It depends on how cheaply they are produced, marketing, and a lot of other reasons. Also many of the drugs are easy to OD on, or cause long lasting physical and psychological effects, which isn't a good thing for society as a whole.

:for example look at alcahol prohibition.when we made alcohol illegal gangs and mafias rose up because they were the only ones who sold them.from that we can conclude thatdrug laws cause crime

Alcohol while it is addictive, causes some health risks, it is not as big of ones as with heavier drugs. Personally I don't drink that often,

millions and millions of taxdollers are spent on enforesment of drug laws we have to spend mony on prison space police oicers and many other things.from that we can conclude that drug laws wast mony.

Yup, that money should be going to public schools to teach people how to read, write, and spell properly. You remind me of a guy on Judge Judy I think yesterday that spelled white wight. Believe it or not though, drugs can harm more than just the person using them.

i personaly think that doing drugs are stupid.but so is eating to many big macs.stupidity is not a crime.every one has a right to do whatever they want to there own body....bad for you or not.from this we can conclude that drug laws infringe freedom.

Not going over this again.

4 good reasons to end the drug war.who agrees

Probally not many people.

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At 4/20/04 06:29 PM, ReiperX wrote: Why not make muder and rape legal...

Well of course there would be less crime if you make the crimes no longer crimes. The people who are committing crimes aren't committing crimes so there are less crimes. Get it? No? Exactly.

You're missing the point.

If weed was legal, there would be no drug war, no reason to smuggle drugs... And if it was legal, the government could do the smart thing and tax the hell out of it.

I could go on but it's a waste of time.

[wiatt]

for all you people saying "why not make murder legal than"when do drugs you are only harming yourself ,when you murder someone you harm somone els.big difference

[ReiperX]

At 4/20/04 07:05 PM, wiatt wrote: for all you people saying "why not make murder legal than"when do drugs you are only harming yourself ,when you murder someone you harm somone els.big difference

When you cannot get your heroine because you've spent all of your money on the heroine then you are more likley to commit a crime to get the money to buy more heroine so your body can get its fix. Therefore it is great potential of drug use to cause harm to others.
Get into a fight with someone on PCP, you're going to get your ass kicked more than likely.
You get someone behind the wheel of a car on PCP that is having a bad trip and see what happens.

[RedSkunk]

In addition to what reiper stated; where do you think all those drug addicts end up? In hospitals. Also, since hardcore, dehabilitating drug use is particularly pervasive among the poor, who ends up footing the bill? Everyone.

[FUNKbrs]

I personally think people should have the right to kill themselves, however they wish to. If that's drugs, fine. If that's bacon, fine. If that's bullets or poison, fine. The line to me is whether or not that self destruction is detrimental to others. If heroine was cheap enough for people on welfare to afford, they wouldn't steal to get it, would they? They would just kill themselves.

The real argument here is whether or not the government should be allowed to protect you from yourself, not whether or not drugs should be legal. That's merely a side issue.

[Disgruntled-Postman]

At 4/20/04 03:23 PM, wiatt wrote: stupidity is not a crime.every one has a right to do whatever they want to there own body....bad for you or not.

Drugs also reduce your inhibitions and reflexes, making you potentially dangerous to others. Someone driving while under the influence of pot, or crack, or speed, ecstacy, may think they're fine to drive. It is obvious that they are not in the correct state of mind to operate a machine that can kill people if they're not careful. And if you're high, you're not careful or coordinated enough to do much of anything.

[wiatt]

At 4/20/04 09:15 PM, JudgeSKVNK wrote: I personally think people should have the right to kill themselves, however they wish to. If that's drugs, fine. If that's bacon, fine. If that's bullets or poison, fine.

i am glad somone agrees somwhat