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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 10:36 PM Reply

At 3/6/11 10:30 PM, Laqur wrote:
At 3/6/11 10:25 PM, Rig wrote: Well, darn. Glad to see that the right people are taking a hard look at "her."

Congrats on all the exposure, xKore.
Hey hey, why is everyone so skeptical about her gender? I don't get it at all...

The picture that was used as the avatar has been seen on th internet in various places long before "she" signed up. Besides, "she"'s lies about so much else, why not get a few extra fans by pretending to be a female producer?

Which everybody loves, btw.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 10:48 PM Reply

It's not common for someone to lie about their gender.


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 10:51 PM Reply

She could have been djing for the past ten years for all we know. I'm sure there are heaps of djs out there that have their face uploaded to the Internet by someone other than themselves. Plus years before this, she could have been posting on any number of events sites/forums, using the exact same picture.

Making assumptions is stupid. Try and stick with the facts for now guys.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 10:56 PM Reply

I've been following this since I first learned about it last night. I had a bit of a hard time believing it at first. The idea of a super-talented hot female artist is charming, let's all admit it. I was a follower of her's on Soundcloud. It's very clear to me now that whoever this is, did in fact use NG content and claim it as his/her own. I was very impressed with most of the music on that page. So congrats to 2DP, xCore, Jazzman, and the others.

Let's be honest here, though. The internet is a world of symbols and alter-egos. Expressions of human presences at best. So although I'm apalled at the blatant act of plagiarism, I'm not surprised or even that concerned. At the risk of being kicked out of NG on my first post, who's to say that it wasn't a disgruntled NG'er attempting to get more publicity for the underrecognized artists on this site?

One Luis, and the Gruntworthy representative both made a lot of sense to me in their posts here. If there in fact was a legal infringement, I'm sure both Soundcloud and any music lawyers who can get their tentacles in this are more than apt and motivated to respond appropriately. On that note, I did see a couple comments here and there that really do cross the lines of gentlemanly decency, even in the worst internet form.

Keep this in mind.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 10:57 PM Reply

At 3/6/11 10:51 PM, jarrydn wrote: Making assumptions is stupid. Try and stick with the facts for now guys.

Fair enough, but I'm sure that most prominant Electronic Music/DJ-ing magazines would have electronic versions of their articles on the web, and I can't find one mention of Cetecea on any of the mags she mentioned. Also, there is no mention of her playing at any live events, and a Google search brought back only her SoundCloud account and the other accounts that are linked from there. What are the odds that such an "up and coming talent" who has supposedly performed live in many places and is apparently producing film scores would turn up nothing? I understand that assumption gets us no where, but it's difficult not to join the dots...


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 11:07 PM Reply

Fair play. Signs definitely do point towards her being fabricated.

I guess the best way to confirm it, would be to see if her picture can be tied to an actual DJ.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 11:08 PM Reply

http://soundcloud.com/help/legal


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 11:13 PM Reply

At 3/6/11 11:07 PM, jarrydn wrote: Fair play. Signs definitely do point towards her being fabricated.

I guess the best way to confirm it, would be to see if her picture can be tied to an actual DJ.

I am most curious as to the origin of said profile pic. ;)

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 11:27 PM Reply

At 3/6/11 10:56 PM, Tempitus wrote: At the risk of being kicked out of NG on my first post, who's to say that it wasn't a disgruntled NG'er attempting to get more publicity for the underrecognized artists on this site?

I just wanted to say that you won't get kicked out of NG for voicing your opinion or theory. Come on, do we seem that uptight ;) Although I do have to disagree with you. It seems a bit too elaborate when somebody could just do some self promotion.


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 11:28 PM Reply

At 3/6/11 08:47 PM, GruntWorthy wrote: There is absolutely no need for this... We have not proceeded with signing ANYTHING with Cetacea, and frankly we're interested in signing tracks from the artists WHO ACTUALLY MADE THEM. THAT MEANS SOME OF YOU!

I'm interested, as long as y'all are legit. I've checked out y'all's site; how big are you, exactly, out of curiosity?


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 11:30 PM Reply

At 3/6/11 11:07 PM, jarrydn wrote: Fair play. Signs definitely do point towards her being fabricated.

I guess the best way to confirm it, would be to see if her picture can be tied to an actual DJ.

Kazmo mentioned earlier that the pictures of her DJing on Don't Stay In are of a DJ named Zwezda and that these pictures don't match her main profile picture on Soundcloud. In my opinion looking at Mark-er's Tiny Eye search of the main Soundcloud profile picture, it looks like it's generally used as a generic stock image.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 6th, 2011 @ 11:32 PM Reply

At 3/6/11 10:05 PM, TheTriangle wrote: This is pathetic. I think newgrounds should disable downloads. Seems like the only legitimate solution.

That's not going to work anyways. Your client browser saves the file in your cache before you can even view or hear it anyways. So it's already downloaded regardless of whether you click that "download" button or not.

Browsers like Firefox take advantage of this and offer you the option of saving ANYTHING you view or listen to on the web onto your drive.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:02 AM Reply

At 3/6/11 11:27 PM, Ekojo wrote: I just wanted to say that you won't get kicked out of NG for voicing your opinion or theory. Come on, do we seem that uptight ;) Although I do have to disagree with you. It seems a bit too elaborate when somebody could just do some self promotion.

No, no one seems too uptight with me yet. I would just advise everyone whose music has been poached to error on the side of caution. As I read her bio, and associated internet content, I couln't help but notice more and more glaring spelling errors and inconsistencies in grammar/sentence structure. Damn she's hot, though. Never underestimate the power of denial! Anyone who has a Phd would know how to spell the word 'etherial.' (In a post she put on my page that I already deleted).

I am a third party as many people who've posted in this thread are. This involves me only in the respect that this person commented on my tracks and made me feel stoked. Whatever good I felt swung pendulously the other way when I learned of this. I do think this is significant in that it is a very real example of something that concerns all artists. Something like this is intellectual thievery in its worst form, potentially. Even worse than iTunes. LOL So I am a very strong advocate for the supporting of whistleblowers. Thank you to whomever first noticed this.

HOWEVER, things like threats and incoherent rants are very childish, even if you're a child! The fact is that this person could have very serious psychological problems. He or she has obviously devoted a considerable amount of time and resources into decieving people. Perhaps she would make a good politician. As has been stated already in this thread; if there's a legal issue, leave that to the parties invlolved. Otherwise, maybe we should all move on from this and start writing new tracks again! I know I will.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:04 AM Reply

For anyone who keeps insisting we should disable downloads, several of the songs that DJ-Immune stole off myownmusic.de had their downloads disabled and it didn't do jack shit.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:17 AM Reply

At 3/7/11 12:04 AM, Blackhole12 wrote: For anyone who keeps insisting we should disable downloads, several of the songs that DJ-Immune stole off myownmusic.de had their downloads disabled and it didn't do jack shit.

well yeah plenty of people can record music internally, so they can bypass the whole downloading thing, if it were implemented

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:19 AM Reply

Oh, wow. No talent at all. The fact she has actually gained anything from this is just pathetic, the fans are probably just people that don't even know about newgrounds.

But yea, should defiantly get into suing this bitch if she's making any profits.

May I add; YOU AIN'T XKORE, BABY.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:23 AM Reply

just went to her profile again, noticed that her facebook link is gone along with (obviously) the gruntworthy link, things are lookin good guys


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:33 AM Reply

At 3/6/11 11:28 PM, mr-jazzman wrote: I'm interested, as long as y'all are legit. I've checked out y'all's site; how big are you, exactly, out of curiosity?

We've been a functioning label since November 2010 and been promoting events in the San Francisco Bay Area since june 2010. We run a monthly now at 1015 Folsom in SF called GruntWorthy Wednesdays, which primarily showcases our label producers. We've also thrown large indoor/outdoor bass music events like Headband, and River Of Bass which had 48 DJs on 2 stages over 24 hours with PropaTingz, NastyNasty, Stephan Jacobs, Sugarpill, Djunya, Minnesota, SkullTrane and a lot more.

We're oriented around "Future Bass" music, which is basically high quality original melodic heavy bass music from across the BPM range.
We've had 3 releases so far on beatport, starting with GruntWorthy Vol. 1 which featured "Blind Dreams" from Stephan Jacobs & +verb (which held the number one position on soundcloud). Right now, we are getting ready for another wave of releases which will be targeted as either BeatPort or Addictech exclusive releases (depending on artist and style) which will be out by this June.
You can check out our soundcloud to see our catalog.

Honestly we somehow had not heard of NG til whole thing happened, so thank you all for alerting us.
We are seriously interested in many artists from this site, so if any of you are serious about releasing music with us, contact us at label@gruntworthy.com and we will be happy to give you more information.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:36 AM Reply

On her profile it claims that she is from New Orleans. Well i'am from NO and I have a cousin who is extremely into the game of underground music and has actually played live at many concerts and knows just about everyone and the areas in the underground music mix.

If she had played anywhere around here especially in other countries, surely a local place has heard of her. Does anyone need me to go out of my way and clarify any of supposive "live concerts" or just a profile of her for clarification that she indeed does not exist? The only reason i'm asking is because if she has done a concert locally by some rare phenomenon of her actually existing, she might have profitted from it and that would just be plain wrong.

Although the New Orleans and Mississippi discription could be total bullshit. I will go out of my way to help you guys out anyway I can if need be. Despite this faulty information, my cousin does know many underground musicians from all over the United States and many other countries, so he may have heard or may be able to contact someone who might know.

Just let me know if this is needed information.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:54 AM Reply

At 3/7/11 12:23 AM, joethesouleater wrote: just went to her profile again, noticed that her facebook link is gone along with (obviously) the gruntworthy link, things are lookin good guys

She is certainly playing hard to break... She's just taking off links one at a time, hoping that no one will notice. If only you could put comments on a profile, not just on individual songs.


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 12:59 AM Reply

At 3/6/11 08:47 PM, GruntWorthy wrote: One thing is for sure, she has gotten all the stolen artists far more exposure than anyone of them had before.

exposure means nothing when you don't know who made the original...lets say she uploaded a song i made and changed the title. the one i have gets 2,000 views and the one she uploaded gets 10,000 views in 1 week. more people like what she uploaded but nobody knows its from me

1 month later mine is at 3,000 views and hers is at 50,000 views, what good does her posting do me? none, by changing the name shes taking away views from the original artist

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 01:48 AM Reply

That's why you do what you can to redirect the listeners to your music. Hence why everyone here is trying to do just that for xKore, mr-jazzman and the others affected by this on her tracks. If/when the listeners find the comment they will probably look at the original track to clarify if it's really the original artist, thus generating publicity.

Yay.


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 02:11 AM Reply

At 3/7/11 01:48 AM, Gario wrote: That's why you do what you can to redirect the listeners to your music. Hence why everyone here is trying to do just that for xKore, mr-jazzman and the others affected by this on her tracks. If/when the listeners find the comment they will probably look at the original track to clarify if it's really the original artist, thus generating publicity.

Yay.

Yes.

Case in point, I registered just to post this:

I was a fan of "hers" for a while now on Soundcloud, and have posted quite a few comments on her tracks. I did notice that a lot of her stuff sounded different, but it didn't really occur to me until the Room Dubstep track was uploaded what was going on.

Here's what I mean -- I've been DJing for almost seven years and 95% of the time, the first thing I notice about a track is the key that it is in.

Something I've learned over time is that a lot of Dubstep/Liquid D&B Producers tend to work in the same key with the exception of few (Spor comes to mind). So, when I realized the drastic difference in that track, I went back and started looking through her stuff. All of "her" tracks were in different keys. The BPMs were also erratic, and "her" stylistic approach to every track was polarized. That was a warning flag that I blissfully ignored for some reason.

So, at any rate, I posted something on Facebook and was almost immediately linked here, and then I figured out what happened. It turns out that a lot of my fellow DJs/promoters were fans of "hers," and have since been directed here. xKore, your name has been brought up a lot in particular. This thread is being tossed around everywhere.

You're getting your publicity. Give SC some time to get the stuff from that account down, and let the dust settle. Your publicity is coming. Personally, I really hope that some of you guys get your stuff signed and released, because I'd kill to be able to buy some of these tracks in full 320 to use my mixes. You guys have got a great ear for sound, and it would make a lot of us DJs happy if you got the benefit from it.

Cheers!

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 02:18 AM Reply

Using fake pics of girls? Kinda reminds me of someone on newgrounds lol

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 02:19 AM Reply

Sorry for the double post, but I couldn't find the edit button, heh.

To clarify: While downloading Play Mes/Free Promos/Bootlegs is nice and all that, those of us who respect our hobby/job will always, ALWAYS pay back for whatever it is we take. While it would be simple for me or anyone else to just cruise through to the audio portal and download whatever we want, I think you'd be surprised how many people would be willing to pay you for your tracks.

At least, that's where I know me & my crews stand. :)

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 02:22 AM Reply

There could more like Her. Posting stuffs she didn't own. Is there anyway we can prevent something like this to happen?

You see this case is analogical to seeing a rat, when you see one it means there are thousands of them!

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 02:25 AM Reply

At 3/7/11 02:22 AM, masheenH3ad wrote: There could more like Her. Posting stuffs she didn't own. Is there anyway we can prevent something like this to happen?

You see this case is analogical to seeing a rat, when you see one it means there are thousands of them!

It's about as easy to stop as plagiarism... Considering it's the same thing.

You can't control free will and some people just feel the need to do stuff like this. The only thing that can be done is finding the people that do do it, and having them face the consequences.

I mean death of course.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 02:40 AM Reply

Well I just spent about a better part of three hours reporting each stolen song; "she" actually had the audacity to steal one and release it under two different names..must be hard keeping track after 60+.

Looks like everything is heading to its rightful place; congratulations to the lucky, and cheers to new oppurtunities!


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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 03:15 AM Reply

ITT: Dipstick steals various artist's music claiming it to be their own. Fraud gets found out, original NG artists are seriously considered for getting signed to labels.

Yup. I'd say this is pretty win here for NG.

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Response to NG Music being stolen Mar. 7th, 2011 @ 04:16 AM Reply

Just a note to guys and gruntworthy: If you are talking about yourselves and if you are interested, please use the PM system. That is what it's made for.


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