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At 3/4/11 07:41 PM, Roy-Tomara wrote: If you havent noticed, we are still hated. I'm pretty sure people are still trying to kill us. Those former enemies are still enemies. And we have a nuke button ourselves.

Oh god, you're one of THOSE people. You do realize that a MAD scenario playing out isn't exactly a win situation? The people trying to kill us are people whose countries we invaded, or countries that we have helped overthrow DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED (Oh hey, I thought we for democratization?) leaders in favor of tyrants in our pockets?

There are ways to go about it, but apologising and backing down like a pussy isn't the way

Oh right. I'm sure that telling everybody else to follow our lead or else will go over great in todays world. Apologizing is the first step towards reconciliation.

We do fuck up, I don't deny that. And despite all that, we are still the greatest nation ever. What I hate is people who piss and moan about everything America does while reaping the benefits.

You're absolutely right. We should just ignore what is wrong instead of address it.

At 3/4/11 07:44 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Oh god, you're one of THOSE people. You do realize that a MAD scenario playing out isn't exactly a win situation? The people trying to kill us are people whose countries we invaded, or countries that we have helped overthrow DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED (Oh hey, I thought we for democratization?) leaders in favor of tyrants in our pockets?
Oh right. I'm sure that telling everybody else to follow our lead or else will go over great in todays world. Apologizing is the first step towards reconciliation.

I didnt say we should go to a nuclear war. But we are all evenly matched. And there is common ground to be reached. Since America isnt 100% wrong, we shouldnt be making the first apology.

You're absolutely right. We should just ignore what is wrong instead of address it.

Trust me, we do address it. and address it. Its popular nowadays to criticize whats so horrible about America.

At 3/4/11 07:44 PM, RacistBassist wrote:

At 3/4/11 07:41 PM, Roy-Tomara wrote: If you havent noticed, we are still hated. I'm pretty sure people are still trying to kill us. Those former enemies are still enemies. And we have a nuke button ourselves.

Oh god, you're one of THOSE people. You do realize that a MAD scenario playing out isn't exactly a win situation? The people trying to kill us are people whose countries we invaded, or countries that we have helped overthrow DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED (Oh hey, I thought we for democratization?) leaders in favor of tyrants in our pockets?

They blew up two of our buildings and killed hundreds of Americans, if we joined WW1 for the Lusitania it makes sense we're over there.

At 3/2/11 08:30 PM, Astronesthes wrote:

It's not to say that without these guns these murders would not have been committed, rather that the murders would have taken place under different circumstances with different tools, like knives or improvised explosives, or just plain old fists.

You gotta be kidding me, so if a maniac runs down the street and shoots 20 people, do you think he would have killed them with his fists anyway?

At 3/4/11 08:22 PM, V-K wrote:

At 3/2/11 08:30 PM, Astronesthes wrote:

It's not to say that without these guns these murders would not have been committed, rather that the murders would have taken place under different circumstances with different tools, like knives or improvised explosives, or just plain old fists.

You gotta be kidding me, so if a maniac runs down the street and shoots 20 people, do you think he would have killed them with his fists anyway?

No, but he would have certainly tried. Good things citizens have guns that they can use against him.

Why are you bringing up stupid one in a million situations to fight this argument? Guns save more lives than they take.

Don't you people ever get tired of being savagely buttfucked by IncendiaryProduction?

At 3/4/11 05:21 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Besides, how would the criminals know gun purchases are up, until the statistics actually come out?

Gee dawg, my home boy cracka got shot like 12 times when he was doin a BnE... Best not dick around any.
That's how it gets around.

Huh, alot of my friends are getting shot; Best stop doin this for a while.

At 3/4/11 08:40 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Don't you people ever get tired of being savagely buttfucked by IncendiaryProduction?

I'm pretty sure that Rascistbassist's ass is pretty saggy, bruised, and infected by now.

At 3/4/11 10:34 PM, 111122223138 wrote:

At 3/4/11 08:40 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Don't you people ever get tired of being savagely buttfucked by IncendiaryProduction?

I'm pretty sure that Rascistbassist's ass is pretty saggy, bruised, and infected by now.

That's the way he likes it, I'm told.

At 3/4/11 10:40 PM, AbstractPathologist wrote:

At 3/4/11 10:34 PM, 111122223138 wrote:

At 3/4/11 08:40 PM, Me-Patch wrote: Don't you people ever get tired of being savagely buttfucked by IncendiaryProduction?

I'm pretty sure that Rascistbassist's ass is pretty saggy, bruised, and infected by now.

That's the way he likes it, I'm told.

Hell, you don't even need to be told it; You can see it. For god sakes, The Goatse guy even gets discusted with how RB's ass looks...

Well I think America did a great job in WWII

At 3/4/11 11:30 PM, Roy-Tomara wrote: Well I think America did a great job in WWII

I think its pats on the back all round chaps

At 3/4/11 11:38 PM, snoopychicken wrote: I think its pats on the back all round chaps

Jolly Good

At 3/4/11 06:14 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote: It's not a loss, it's not a win, it's not a draw.

It's a war we shouldn't have been in, we had enough, we withdrew support.

It was a loss.

At 3/5/11 06:53 AM, BumFodder wrote:

At 3/4/11 06:14 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote: It's not a loss, it's not a win, it's not a draw.

It's a war we shouldn't have been in, we had enough, we withdrew support.

It was a loss.

Just like how Britain got owned in the American Revolution. And the War of 1812.

At 3/5/11 11:39 AM, Danavers wrote: Just like how Britain got owned in the American Revolution. And the War of 1812.

The war of 1812 was more of a draw.

At 3/4/11 08:25 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote: No, but he would have certainly tried. Good things citizens have guns that they can use against him.

So instead of having him the odds heavily stacked against him, let's give him something that makes being outnumbered pointless!

Why are you bringing up stupid one in a million situations to fight this argument? Guns save more lives than they take.

8,000 lives taken compared to the apparent 2.5 million "saved." How many lives are we willing to sacrifice for the "greater good"? The first result that gave this number was from a website called "gunowners.com"

At 3/4/11 07:50 PM, Roy-Tomara wrote: I didnt say we should go to a nuclear war. But we are all evenly matched. And there is common ground to be reached. Since America isnt 100% wrong, we shouldnt be making the first apology.

Who should then eh? Why not be the one to set an example? Evenly matched doesn't mean shit if it is a MAD scenario. It is a lose lose situation.

Trust me, we do address it. and address it. Its popular nowadays to criticize whats so horrible about America.

No we do not, and you definitely do not. You were calling me unpatriotic after I said that. That is refusing to address it.

At 3/4/11 07:53 PM, Danavers wrote: They blew up two of our buildings and killed hundreds of Americans, if we joined WW1 for the Lusitania it makes sense we're over there.

You mean the Saudi hijackers who had no connection to Iraq, (You know, one of the only places in the ME that had its foot on radical islams throat?) and who was only based in Afghanistan?

At 3/4/11 10:23 PM, 111122223138 wrote: Gee dawg, my home boy cracka got shot like 12 times when he was doin a BnE... Best not dick around any.
That's how it gets around.

Huh, alot of my friends are getting shot; Best stop doin this for a while.

Surprisingly, that is not how it works.

It's more of:

Damn man, Jerome just got blasted.
We gotta make that shit right dawg.

And most of those B&Es would occur during the day, or when they do it quietly when the person is sleeping.

At 3/4/11 08:54 PM, TailsPrower wrote: Just yesterday, over 60 million gun owners in the U.S. did not commit a gun crime.

Most of the time, drinking shampoo will not kill you. That doesn't make it a good idea.

At 3/5/11 02:01 PM, RacistBassist wrote: 8,000 lives taken compared to the apparent 2.5 million "saved." How many lives are we willing to sacrifice for the "greater good"?

Taking guns out of the equation will not keep people from being killed. They will just be killed another way.

Also, in 2/3 of criminal homicides, the person being killed is a criminal themselves. When you look at the statistics, and see the number of people killed, you cannot assume that they were all innocent people that got shot for no reason while walking down the street.

At 3/5/11 02:57 PM, IncendiaryProduction wrote: Taking guns out of the equation will not keep people from being killed. They will just be killed another way.

But the number will be drastically lower considering that they would have to be closer, be able to overpower them or catch them off guard. Guns are an easy win button when you want somebody dead, and has less chance of you getting caught if you're using a stolen gun because the odds of you leaving behind evidence will be lower.

Also, in 2/3 of criminal homicides, the person being killed is a criminal themselves. When you look at the statistics, and see the number of people killed, you cannot assume that they were all innocent people that got shot for no reason while walking down the street.

So because they are criminals it's ok that they died?? You do realize that if you have a dub on you, you are classified as a criminal? Shoplifting? Criminal.

At 3/5/11 02:03 PM, RacistBassist wrote: Who should then eh? Why not be the one to set an example? Evenly matched doesn't mean shit if it is a MAD scenario. It is a lose lose situation.

Why come to the table and show our hand first?

No we do not, and you definitely do not. You were calling me unpatriotic after I said that. That is refusing to address it.

Like I said, we have people criticizing and apologising everyday. Everyone has something to bitch and moan about this country. You're deaf if your missing it. Just because I dont go out of my way to do it doesn't mean its not happening.

At 3/5/11 03:46 PM, Roy-Tomara wrote: Why come to the table and show our hand first?

I thought we were the best country out there? Why wouldn't we be the ones to try to set the bar high?

Like I said, we have people criticizing and apologising everyday. Everyone has something to bitch and moan about this country. You're deaf if your missing it. Just because I dont go out of my way to do it doesn't mean its not happening.

Oh heavens forbid people complain about problems and attempt to find solutions or address them or try to reconcile over the past. Let's follow your ideology and go the way of cowboy politics again and have the rest of the world hate us and not want to show support for us.

At 3/5/11 03:48 PM, RacistBassist wrote: I thought we were the best country out there? Why wouldn't we be the ones to try to set the bar high?

Because no one is willing to meet us there. War crimes are committed by our enemies, yet we are the ones who have to follow the rules.

Oh heavens forbid people complain about problems and attempt to find solutions or address them or try to reconcile over the past. Let's follow your ideology and go the way of cowboy politics again and have the rest of the world hate us and not want to show support for us.

We are still hated. Nothing has changed. We have people like Ft. Hood, Christmas Day Bomber, Time Square Bomber, etc. still happening. So being the pussy is not the way to go.

At 3/5/11 03:51 PM, Roy-Tomara wrote: Because no one is willing to meet us there. War crimes are committed by our enemies, yet we are the ones who have to follow the rules.

Right. The US does not commit any war crimes ever, and our ex leader can leave the country without worry because other countries won't try him for war crimes. So because no other country (Except for the ones who do) want to try, we should say fuck it and be just as bad as them?

We are still hated. Nothing has changed. We have people like Ft. Hood, Christmas Day Bomber, Time Square Bomber, etc. still happening. So being the pussy is not the way to go.

Better to piss off the enemy then try to make everything better? Domestic terrorism has been happening for years, and us being the asshole will only make things worse.

RB, Here's my question to you.

You say my cowboy mentality doesn't work. Looking at our pussy in chief, obviously being apologetic and backing down doesn't work either. What do we do?

As long as there are rules they are going to be broken, the things I suggested would just raise the amount of guns bought on the black market.

But less people are willing to break the law to get guns than people who wouldnt.

And isnt the point to get crime as low as possible?

The crime rate will never be low until we abolish all laws.