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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:30:05 Reply

It's ironic cause you did the same thing.

Anyway, there's ALWAYS some flaw to find in any celebrity that you and I know.
Your negative reaction at him mostly comes from the fact that he earns so much money and publicity by doing what he does.

I'll admit I don't completely like his way of doing what he does, but it's his style, and I can't interfere with it, and YouTube doesn't seem to mind, so really, ranting about how stupid it is how he does it is extremely useless in my opinion.

"mostly comes from the fact that he earns so much money?" Like i've said before, i'm not jealous, it's a simple opinion. That's right, and I should be able to talk about what I want as long as I have a good reason backing me up. You really just seem like a butthurt crybaby for posting that garbage.

and you also have an opinion, if you think it's extremely useless, then fine.. be on your way then.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:37:22 Reply

Actually, loads more views are given to the video he "reviews". The number of comments saying "I got here because of RWJ" are countless. Normally, he shows about 2 min long videos, shows the middle of it so that people go see the entire clip. Personnally, I watch RWJ's videos, see if anything is funny in there, and go watch the whole video by myself, preferably from the original owner of the said funny/awesome video. And dare I say thousands of people do the exact same as me.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:40:29 Reply

At 2/16/11 07:12 PM, ChrisLovejoy wrote: hi guys your favorite mexican here with another episode of me making thousands off of standing in front of my shitty-comic-book-covered wall making the same jokes about the same things over and over you know why i'm famous i'll tell you why because the majority of people who have internet access these days are complete morons and what better way to take advantage of those morons than showing them stupid vids featuring stupid people much like them and sometimes a dumb animal isn't the world just great you bet it is

the best part is you can't do shit about it i'm ray william johnson etc.

Say you were in the exact same position as him, you know, making TONS of cash just sitting in front of your camera, would you REALLY suddenly stop making those videos? Now come on, I already know the answer you dick-tits.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:42:20 Reply

At 2/16/11 07:30 PM, LilSelena wrote:
It's ironic cause you did the same thing.

Anyway, there's ALWAYS some flaw to find in any celebrity that you and I know.
Your negative reaction at him mostly comes from the fact that he earns so much money and publicity by doing what he does.

I'll admit I don't completely like his way of doing what he does, but it's his style, and I can't interfere with it, and YouTube doesn't seem to mind, so really, ranting about how stupid it is how he does it is extremely useless in my opinion.
"mostly comes from the fact that he earns so much money?" Like i've said before, i'm not jealous, it's a simple opinion. That's right, and I should be able to talk about what I want as long as I have a good reason backing me up. You really just seem like a butthurt crybaby for posting that garbage.

and you also have an opinion, if you think it's extremely useless, then fine.. be on your way then.

Yes you are jealous, not directly though, but it's in your mind, you really wouldn't mind that much if he were just a guy with 99 subscribers and 1000 views on all his video's.
And you know it.
And you are starting to get rough, I'd say that's a pretty weak way to back yourself up.

I had the same with Bieber and Gaga, hating on them because "I didn't like their music, because it was simple blablabla"
Then, surprisingly, Gagsy kind of opened my eyes, saying I was jealous, I of course told her to fuck off, but then, I realized that it was partially jealousy, because so many people listened to them.

In this case there is 0 reason to hate on RWJ, he's just making videos to promote other videos even more.
He has fans who like him, and haters, haters with no reason to hate, because you are not being forced to watch him.

Ignorance is bliss, and much closer to you than you imagine, and in this case I'm talking about the other kind of ignorance. Literal.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:42:57 Reply

At 2/16/11 07:37 PM, triplenoob wrote: Actually, loads more views are given to the video he "reviews". The number of comments saying "I got here because of RWJ" are countless. Normally, he shows about 2 min long videos, shows the middle of it so that people go see the entire clip. Personnally, I watch RWJ's videos, see if anything is funny in there, and go watch the whole video by myself, preferably from the original owner of the said funny/awesome video. And dare I say thousands of people do the exact same as me.

Not everyone does that. Understand that there is a lazy group of people out there who only watch the video from Ray's point of view. "Oh we gotta see what Ray says!!" Now to say "thousands of people do the exact same as me." That's very bland, you barely could list off one-thousand people you know, people will react in different ways. Ray gives no reason to watch the original videos, it's that simple.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:47:39 Reply

there is 0 reason to hate on RWJ, he's just making videos to promote other videos even more.

You're not really understanding the jist of it. He does devalue the originals by whoring it out to everyone. Ray is not "the viral video hero" he doesn't say, "oh wow, your video was hilarious, i'm going to make it popular for you." Instead he says, "i'm totally going to use this for my comedy routine and make some hardcore cash." That's it, and if you think i'm jealous, read the response I gave to the other guy that said that.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:54:24 Reply

Also, I'm not gonna read your response to the guy who told you you're jealous, because there's no reason for YOU to hate on him.

Also, opinion threads are stupid, because there is no point to opinion threads, ESPECIALLY on newgrounds,

Also, he actually does give the video more views, when I see a funny video through RayWilliamJohnson I always send my friends the original video which is in his video description.
That's ONE
TWO: Most of the video's he reviews are already extremely viral, and the views he is getting on his own video's are mostly from all his subscribers, the original video's get their views from YouTube lurkers etc.
RayWilliamJohnson makes his subscribers go to those video's, or send them through to their friends.

I once saw a video gain about 2 million views (from 2 million) after RWJ reviewed it.

Also, if you don't like it, make your own channel, and do it your way.
Otherwise your rant is worthless. Kinda.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 19:57:57 Reply

At 2/16/11 07:54 PM, Falonefal wrote: Also, I'm not gonna read your response to the guy who told you you're jealous, because there's no reason for YOU to hate on him.

I never said I hated Ray William Johnson, read my 1st response and tell me the part where I said that.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 20:23:25 Reply

At 2/16/11 07:54 PM, Falonefal wrote: Also, opinion threads are stupid, because there is no point to opinion threads, ESPECIALLY on newgrounds

well i've certainly seen some worse opinion threads, at least appreciate the fact that I put some time into that opinion. it's better then the thread, "hey guys, name one reason why america is better." at least my opinion does have some decent points (which you've missed a couple times). neither am I jealous nor would I want to be famous like him. stop trollin' Falonefal, it's almost like you purposely made a stupid response and know how I would react. I can see through your thin layer of intelligence, yes that's right (that's nerd smack talk). stop swearing every couple of words.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 20:26:18 Reply

At 2/16/11 08:23 PM, LilSelena wrote:

:stop swearing every couple of words.

Totally just realized that was someone else, nevermind. That's a self-fail right there :)


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-16 20:30:18 Reply

I hate this man even more.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oNx5xJt9 lg&feature=related

I find him hilarious.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-17 20:52:58 Reply

All I've read is the first post, but I despise this man beyond belief and I'm tired of seeing he's videos on the youtube frontpage since I can't turn that crap off anymore.

That is all.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-17 21:01:51 Reply

At 2/16/11 04:07 AM, TiredPaperBoy wrote:
At 2/16/11 03:49 AM, KieranNG wrote: I don't give a shit if he's an untalented theif. His videos are funny and I will continue to watch them.
Same here... why is everyone getting so rilled up over something on the internet... who gives a shit?

Trolling and people that hates things for dumb reasons.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-17 21:08:05 Reply

what's happenin' forum.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-17 21:09:47 Reply

What a fascination look at opinions and why you're all wrong.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-17 21:14:49 Reply

Since i'm about to go to bed, i'll answer your question. read the second paragraph. if videogame reviewers showed the ending all the games they're reviewing, people wouldn't want to play them anymore. If they reviewed a movie and showed the ending, they wouldn't want to watch them anymore. He's spoiling the content he's reviewing and making people not want to watch the original videos. so basically he's stealing views, do you understand now?

The point of RWJ is to show you funny videos that are hard to find, because unlike games/movies, the internet doesn't advertise videos through billboards/Tv/anything.

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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-17 22:38:41 Reply

At 2/16/11 07:47 PM, LilSelena wrote:

comedy routine
he is not a comedian

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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 10:38:00 Reply

At 2/17/11 10:38 PM, cristian123 wrote:
At 2/16/11 07:47 PM, LilSelena wrote:
comedy routine
he is not a comedian

well.. i'd consider him a comedian, his material caters to a specific audience though. not good taste.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 10:56:48 Reply

Most of the videos he shows aren't the complete thing, and he does say that you 'should watch the whole thing', which he links to it. And if you watch some of these videos, you'll see a bunch of comments like "thumbs up if RWJ sent you here" with like, hundreds of thumbs up. I find that extremely annoying, but it does show that thanks to his videos, the videos he reviews get even more views.

Even then, when I find one of these videos funny, I don't send them his video, I send them the original video which he puts on the description. Geez, it's not like he goes all "im in ur youtubes, stealin all ur videos".


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:20:13 Reply

"Fair use is a legal concept that allows the reproduction of copyrighted material for certain purposes without obtaining permission and without paying a fee or royalty. Purposes permitting the application of fair use generally include review, news reporting, teaching, or scholarly research. The idea of fair use originally arose for written works. But with the advent of digital technology and the Internet, fair use has sometimes been applied to the redistribution of musical works, photographs, videos, and computer programs."

"Purposes permitting the application of fair use generally include review"

"fair use has sometimes been applied to the redistribution of ... videos"

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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:34:34 Reply

At 2/18/11 11:20 AM, Ptero wrote: "Fair use is a legal concept that allows the reproduction of copyrighted material for certain purposes without obtaining permission and without paying a fee or royalty. Purposes permitting the application of fair use generally include review, news reporting, teaching, or scholarly research. The idea of fair use originally arose for written works. But with the advent of digital technology and the Internet, fair use has sometimes been applied to the redistribution of musical works, photographs, videos, and computer programs."

"Purposes permitting the application of fair use generally include review"

"fair use has sometimes been applied to the redistribution of ... videos"

except you're talking about youtube buddy. spill.com does some of the best reviews, and they did one on "Black Swan". They've been doing video reviews for a long time now. And all of a sudden, the review was taken down by Fox, and they lost youtube partnership. I feel wronged, because unlike them, they are actually doing things by the book, Ray on the other hand is not.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:43:51 Reply

At 2/18/11 10:56 AM, MiroDK wrote: Most of the videos he shows aren't the complete thing, and he does say that you 'should watch the whole thing', which he links to it. And if you watch some of these videos, you'll see a bunch of comments like "thumbs up if RWJ sent you here" with like, hundreds of thumbs up. I find that extremely annoying, but it does show that thanks to his videos, the videos he reviews get even more views.

Even then, when I find one of these videos funny, I don't send them his video, I send them the original video which he puts on the description. Geez, it's not like he goes all "im in ur youtubes, stealin all ur videos".

I agree, you have a good point. Ray does generate some views to the original. but it's common sense, once you seen the video once, you're probably not going to see it again. Am I right?


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:45:29 Reply

At 2/16/11 03:30 AM, LilSelena wrote:

:If Ray was a flash artist, he could remake the videos in a flash format and then watch the real video from the link.

Ray IS a flash artist! You ain't seen the balls on this animation, obviously: Linky.

If you make a funny video on the internet, people shouldn't be making money off your stuff.

Ray makes no money off of the clips he places in his videos. Secondly, he helps to BOOST their views, because his comedic wit makes you want to see the original to get some context. I think he does an excellent service to youtube for this.

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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:47:09 Reply

At 2/18/11 11:43 AM, LilSelena wrote: I agree, you have a good point. Ray does generate some views to the original. but it's common sense, once you seen the video once, you're probably not going to see it again. Am I right?

Furthermore, the videos he posts are already popular. He always exclaims how many views they have. I don't know why anyone goes to his videos to see other people's videos. Thats buying a picture of a painter painting.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:50:56 Reply

At 2/18/11 11:45 AM, AngelofPeace wrote: Ray makes no money off of the clips he places in his videos.

That couldn't be farther from the truth. In every video he places ads and makes money off of views. In a way he is getting money off the videos because half of his material is video footage, and that's what people clicked on his video to see. He's like an "America's funniest home videos" version of youtube. and to say he's not making money off his videos? he's a youtube partner afterall..


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:55:14 Reply

At 2/18/11 11:47 AM, JoeMation wrote: I don't know why anyone goes to his videos to see other people's videos.

he's a viral video current events. it keeps his fans entertained. and also $$$


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 11:58:02 Reply

At 2/18/11 11:55 AM, LilSelena wrote:
At 2/18/11 11:47 AM, JoeMation wrote: I don't know why anyone goes to his videos to see other people's videos.
he's a viral video current events. it keeps his fans entertained. and also $$$

Viral video current events? That's like me telling my neighbors how to get around the neighborhood, ugh.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 12:03:21 Reply

At 2/18/11 11:34 AM, LilSelena wrote: except you're talking about youtube buddy. spill.com does some of the best reviews, and they did one on "Black Swan". They've been doing video reviews for a long time now. And all of a sudden, the review was taken down by Fox, and they lost youtube partnership. I feel wronged, because unlike them, they are actually doing things by the book, Ray on the other hand is not.

I really don't know or care about some dude who got a review taken down, but my point is is that he is covered under fair use.

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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 12:05:39 Reply

At 2/18/11 11:58 AM, JoeMation wrote:
At 2/18/11 11:55 AM, LilSelena wrote:
At 2/18/11 11:47 AM, JoeMation wrote: I don't know why anyone goes to his videos to see other people's videos.
he's a viral video current events. it keeps his fans entertained. and also $$$
Viral video current events? That's like me telling my neighbors how to get around the neighborhood, ugh.

not everyone keeps up with viral videos, and it's always good to know what's popular at the moment. I understand where you're coming from, but not all of Ray's videos have gigantic views. so with that said, he's reviewing any funny video.


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Response to My "opinion" of Ray William Johnson 2011-02-18 12:15:11 Reply

At 2/18/11 12:03 PM, Ptero wrote: I really don't know or care about some dude who got a review taken down..

well you should care, that's my argument. he should of been covered too by "Fair use".
and you're forgetting Ptero, Ray's videos have been taken down before, said it once again.
how do you explain his videos being taken down if he's covered by Fair use, go ahead.


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