A New Country

[LordJaric]

So it appears that Southern Sudan will soon be its own country soon.
Judging by the article it seems that they have a lot of work ahead of them, they seem to be have a lot of work ahead of them, they are not that well developed, The oil industry will likely take advantage of this to get at the oil they have. There is also the possibility that the Muslims and Christens could start fighting each other again.

[lapis]

Luckily the article says that "a country name must be chosen", something other articles that I read omitted. How lame would it be if they just called the new country Southern Sudan.

[animehater]

I've always felt that Sudan was such an ugly shaped country in its current form anyway.

[Camarohusky]

I always thought the African Continent was short on shittty, poor, mismanaged nations.

Any other choice adjectives for how much of a mess this will turn out to be?

[LazyDrunk]

At 2/8/11 11:28 AM, Camarohusky wrote: Any other choice adjectives for how much of a mess this will turn out to be?

Rhodesian?

[orangebomb]

At 2/8/11 01:19 AM, LordJaric wrote: So it appears that Southern Sudan will soon be its own country soon.
Judging by the article it seems that they have a lot of work ahead of them, they seem to be have a lot of work ahead of them, they are not that well developed, The oil industry will likely take advantage of this to get at the oil they have. There is also the possibility that the Muslims and Christens could start fighting each other again.

In other words, it will still be the same shithole it always was. The people there are still going to be poor and the ethnic strife is more than likely going to continue, Same shit, different name.

[animehater]

At 2/8/11 11:31 PM, orangebomb wrote: In other words, it will still be the same shithole it always was. The people there are still going to be poor and the ethnic strife is more than likely going to continue, Same shit, different name.

But it also means the Arab North Sudan will be smaller, that is a country that borders Egypt, and the revolt there mixed in with the loss of the southern region has inspired students in Sudan to protest as well, maybe if there is democracy in both Egypt and South Sudan North Sudan can follow in such steps. Hell maybe them, Egypt, and Tunisia can form the start of some future North African Federation!

[Warforger]

I thought this was all the genocide thing was about? I guess that was only in Darfur where the government succeeded in its genocide.

Anyway, hopefully it won't end up like Mozambique.

At 2/8/11 11:28 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I always thought the African Continent was short on shittty, poor, mismanaged nations.

Uhhh it was oppressed by a shitty poor and mismanaged nation.

[Camarohusky]

At 2/9/11 01:13 AM, Warforger wrote:

At 2/8/11 11:28 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I always thought the African Continent was short on shittty, poor, mismanaged nations.

Uhhh it was oppressed by a shitty poor and mismanaged nation.

It'll remain a shitty horrible country where famine and death reign, but hell, at least they will be free in their shitty terrible ass crack of a country.

[lapis]

First Southern Sudanese minister is murdered since the referendum.

[orangebomb]

At 2/9/11 05:48 AM, lapis wrote: First Southern Sudanese minister is murdered since the referendum.

Yeah, I can tell that Southern Sudan is off to a great start. *sarcasm*

In all seriousness, they are still going to be dirt poor, even when the Chinese come in and takes their oil. Yeah, they would be free and stuff, but famine and death will be everywhere, and as I said before, Same shit, different name.

[TomBertBill]

They won't be poor. We Americans need to step in and help them in every way we can. Just like we helped Haiti. We have the means to help and thus an obligation.

[orangebomb]

At 2/9/11 03:52 PM, TomBertBill wrote: They won't be poor. We Americans need to step in and help them in every way we can.

Uh, no. We already have more than enough debt to deal with at home, much less with other countries. If anything, we shouldn't get near that place, considering that the Chinese are making inroads there now. Of course that doesn't mean that some good samaratin can raise money for Southern Sudan through a bake sale or something. And besides, even if we do give them money, they would still be dirt poor.

Just like we helped Haiti. We have the means to help and thus an obligation.

Just because we have the means, doesn't mean we have an obligation to help them, especially when the Chinese are doing deals in Southern Sudan right now, and don't want to risk a conflict of interest there.

[Warforger]

At 2/9/11 01:22 AM, Camarohusky wrote:

At 2/9/11 01:13 AM, Warforger wrote:

At 2/8/11 11:28 AM, Camarohusky wrote: I always thought the African Continent was short on shittty, poor, mismanaged nations.

Uhhh it was oppressed by a shitty poor and mismanaged nation.

It'll remain a shitty horrible country where famine and death reign, but hell, at least they will be free in their shitty terrible ass crack of a country.

You know why this country has taken so long to gain independence? It's because it contains much of the nations resources that make it profitable for foreign nations like China.

[kakalxlax]

who cares?

[Nasseus7]

At 2/9/11 03:52 PM, TomBertBill wrote: They won't be poor. We Americans need to step in and help them in every way we can. Just like we helped Haiti. We have the means to help and thus an obligation.

Uh, no. We actually need to stop helping because of the economic crises we are in now.

[Ericho]

I heard that Kosova became a new country recently, but it was apparently not recognized by every seat member of the United Nations. I would like to know if this country turns out to be acknolwedged by at least most members. It is interesting to bring out a new country as it has been awhile since we did that. With all the trouble going on in Egypt lately, it is interesting to take a look at how some other African countries are doing.

[lapis]

At 2/15/11 11:30 AM, Ericho wrote: I heard that Kosova became a new country recently, but it was apparently not recognized by every seat member of the United Nations.

Well, if that were a serious criterion then Israel would also not be a country.

[Ledgey]

At 2/15/11 11:51 AM, lapis wrote:

At 2/15/11 11:30 AM, Ericho wrote: I heard that Kosova became a new country recently, but it was apparently not recognized by every seat member of the United Nations.

Well, if that were a serious criterion then Israel would also not be a country.

Perhaps he means on the security council? After all, those countries are the only voices that really matter in the organisation. Russia and China still don't recognise Kosovo.

[Dawnslayer]

At 2/15/11 11:30 AM, Ericho wrote: I heard that Kosova became a new country recently, but it was apparently not recognized by every seat member of the United Nations.

Kosovo is a de facto independent state; Serbia still claims it, hence the legal dispute. See Wikipedia's list of sovereign states for greater detail.

I would like to know if this country turns out to be acknolwedged by at least most members. It is interesting to bring out a new country as it has been awhile since we did that.

Not that long, actually; Montenegro became a de jure state in 2006 (although granted, this was in the works for several years).

With all the trouble going on in Egypt lately, it is interesting to take a look at how some other African countries are doing.

Related question: Once it becomes sovereign, will South Sudan be considered part of the Arab world, or still be a member of the Arab League? Many South Sudanese speak Arabic, but the official language of the new country is English.

[Dawnslayer]

Frickin' quote system! Just alternate the colors of every odd paragraph.

[lapis]

At 2/8/11 02:49 AM, lapis wrote: Luckily the article says that "a country name must be chosen", something other articles that I read omitted. How lame would it be if they just called the new country Southern Sudan.

Vindication! Instead of the utterly boring name 'Southern Sudan' they went with the much more titilating 'South Sudan'.

seriously, how uninspiring is it to define the country you fought so hard to establish as just the southern part of your former rulers' country?

[orangebomb]

At 2/16/11 12:35 AM, Dawnslayer wrote:

At 2/15/11 11:30 AM, Ericho wrote: I heard that Kosova became a new country recently, but it was apparently not recognized by every seat member of the United Nations.

Kosovo is a de facto independent state; Serbia still claims it, hence the legal dispute. See Wikipedia's list of sovereign states for greater detail.

I would like to know if this country turns out to be acknolwedged by at least most members. It is interesting to bring out a new country as it has been awhile since we did that.

Not that long, actually; Montenegro became a de jure state in 2006 (although granted, this was in the works for several years).

With all the trouble going on in Egypt lately, it is interesting to take a look at how some other African countries are doing.

Related question: Once it becomes sovereign, will South Sudan be considered part of the Arab world, or still be a member of the Arab League? Many South Sudanese speak Arabic, but the official language of the new country is English.

On a geographical level, they would be part of the Arab world, but since a large amount of Southern Sudanese are Christian to some degree, I don't think that they would have any influence with the Arab League at all. It's not like they're going to care too much, considering that the Arabs largely control the rest of Sudan anyway.

[Camarohusky]

At 2/16/11 10:30 AM, orangebomb wrote: On a geographical level, they would be part of the Arab world, but since a large amount of Southern Sudanese are Christian to some degree, I don't think that they would have any influence with the Arab League at all. It's not like they're going to care too much, considering that the Arabs largely control the rest of Sudan anyway.

I disagree. I see this new country as falling into the Central or East African regions. This new country will have more in common with Kenya and the CAR than it will with Libya and Egypt.