Assisted Suicide

[ReiperX]

Here's a non Religious, non Iraq, non Bush/Kerry topic that I'd like to hear your opinions on.

What do you guys think of assisted suicide? To me, I honestly have no problem with it under certain circumstances such as being terminally ill and suffering. What do you guys think?

[Battl3Mast3r]

I dont believe suicide is in anyway - morale. I dont believe it is because its ending your future and own destiny, something might become of you... and yet ended in its prime. I vote NO on suicide, lol.

[RedSkunk]

Good choice, good choice.

Assisted suicide - I am for, with terminally ill patients.

You can almost see the government agreeing - by giving morphine to the terminally ill, etc.

[TheShrike]

Why shouldn't euthanasia be legal?

Do we not 'put down' animals with terminal medical problems? I.E., shooting horses with broken legs, killing dogs with rabies?

[Der-Ubermensch]

For those in canstant suffering, incurable, be it physical or psychological, I would definitely be for assisted suicide. Of course this brings up the whole mess of free choice and will, accountability and liability... we wouldn't want any more Kevorkians (sp?) running about, mercy killing people who can't even make a sentient decision.

[FatherVenom]

While I generally don't condone killing of any form, suicide is a tricky subject and I tend to side with the people who are for it. I wrote a paper on this for philosophy class and most of the reasons that people come up with to combat assisted suicide are crap. There's the slippery slope arguement that says if we start allowing it, then it will start getting abused, even to the point of doctors murdering people in cold blood. Of the three places in the world that had/have doctor assisted suicide legalized, the studies found this to be false. Most of the other reasons are religious, but religion can be wrong sometimes. If there's no present or future for the person and that person has indicated the desire to be "killed" then I don't see how this is a problem.

On a lighter note, does anyone find Dr. Kevorkian a little creepy? I know I do.

[Der-Ubermensch]

At 4/16/04 02:14 AM, FatherVenom wrote:

On a lighter note, does anyone find Dr. Kevorkian a little creepy? I know I do.

Anyone who makes killing his business is a little iffy in my book..

[BeFell]

Wouldn't it suck if you decided to have yourself killed because you have AIDS and it sucks then the very next day they found the cure.

[RedSkunk]

At 4/16/04 02:19 AM, BeSkvnk wrote: Wouldn't it suck if you decided to have yourself killed because you have AIDS and it sucks then the very next day they found the cure.

And improbable.

Regardless - you wouldn't know.

[BeFell]

At 4/16/04 02:26 AM, RedSkvnk wrote: And improbable.

Says you

Regardless - you wouldn't know.

What if someone came running in announcing it just after they injected the poison.

[FatherVenom]

Then they would make a tourniquet and drain the poison.

[TheShrike]

At 4/16/04 02:28 AM, BeSkvnk wrote: Says you

And me.

What if someone came running in announcing it just after they injected the poison.

Yeah. That'll happen.

Besides, If I had aids, I'd live my life 'till the end, or until I became too ill to live it, at which point it wouldn't matter.

This argument is crap, and you know it. Accidents and tragedies happen every day, and the amount of people who ~might~ get caught in the 'what if' you propose is insignificant.

[bumcheekcity]

Your life is yours to do what you wish, as long as you dont hurt anyone else. If you want to commit suicide, then that's sad, but nobody should have the right to say you can't do it, especially for the terminally ill. And euthanasia should be completely legal, if the patient is of sound mind, of course.

[Grim]

At 4/16/04 02:04 AM, ReiperX wrote: Here's a non Religious, non Iraq, non Bush/Kerry topic that I'd like to hear your opinions on.

What do you guys think of assisted suicide? To me, I honestly have no problem with it under certain circumstances such as being terminally ill and suffering. What do you guys think?

Fully support the notion; with expansion options....

[lapslf]

At 4/16/04 02:19 AM, BeSkvnk wrote: Wouldn't it suck if you decided to have yourself killed because you have AIDS and it sucks then the very next day they found the cure.

Well, it's the patient's choice, so it'd a risk he's willing to take.

[i-want-to-explode]

Euthanasia.

Strong topic boiling down to those who belive that their own morals and sense of being out weigh peoples rights.

Everybody has a right to live and to die. Denying someone the right to die is just another restriction on rights.

As far as i can see the only argument against euthanasia is that they belive it to be moraly wrong.

Morals have no place in important descision like that.

Ask your selves questions in those situations.. like...
Is it going to affect anybody else physicaly?
Are they going ot die anyway?
Will it relive suffering?
Will it benifit others?

How about in movies when someone cathches a deadly virus and the galently do a daring deed that kills them for the sake of the world. No one complaines then.

People have a right to end their own life and when they cant... to ask someone to do it for them... often a personal matter of trust and freindship and love.

can you tell i was bored?

[MuffinMatrix]

I think that as long as there's proof that it is what the person wants then it's ok... Suicide in my opinion is a bad idea [well, duh.. lol] well.. you know what i mean... There are people pout there who have perfectly happy lives that they would carry on in if they could be they can't.. so people are kinda disrespectful if they treat life like that... but i can see where they are coming from...

If you have some kind of diablility and are going to die anyway then i think it should be okay to hold off the suffering... It kinda seems even worse to watch them in pain for the rest of their days just waiting to die...

[awkward-silence]

I am for assisted suicide for the terminaly ill. I also agree with in the case of commatose patients that only have a functioning brainstem. This basically has the patient has a heartbeat and can breath on its own. But is incapable of ever having another thought, let alone waking up.

[bombkangaroo]

i think people should all be killed when they reach 25. like in logans run.

no real reason, i just want a jewel in my palm.

"CAROUSEL IS A LIE!"

[Reverend-Kyle]

At 4/16/04 02:06 AM, Battl3Mast3r wrote: I dont believe suicide is in anyway - morale.

What does morality have to do with it? What is morality? How can you assume what you think is right is right? For that matter, what is right? (I must be bordering on Existential Nihilism.)

If someone wants to die, let them. I don't see a reason why they shouldn't be able to. If the game is no longer fun or interesting, and you don't feel like waiting for it to pick up, you might as well abort.

[bombkangaroo]

this is like the episode of voyager where the Q wants to die, and the other Q won't let him.

[afijsohfan]

Euphanasia is a humane and gentle way of putting people out of their misery. If a person is in so much pain that to live any longer would be worse than death, whats the point of keeping them alive? Wouldn't that be more cruel than releasing them from the pain?

[afijsohfan]

Sorry for the double post, i mispelled 'euthanasia'.

[bumcheekcity]

At 4/16/04 11:48 AM, Homo_The_Clown wrote: Sorry for the double post, i mispelled 'euthanasia'.

I wouldn't worry about misspelling [<---- like that] long words. Just make sure they're recogniseable.

its poelpe hoo type like dis n fink dey r 1337 dat wee gt annoyed wiv

[BeFell]

Well now that it isn't extremely late at night I have been able to come up with an argument against that people won't be so mean to. I think. It occurs to me that it is rather easy for a person to kill themself and there isn't much anybody can do about it. I think that if somebody is serious about relieving their pain they should do it themself rather than putting a doctor in the position where he would have to kill his own patient. Also in this manner we are absoulutely sure the person wanted to die. I don't however think that we should condone suicide if the person is successful it shouldn't matter what anyone thinks. I am anticipating the argument what if they can't take their own life for some kind of mental or physical reason. If they are not menally capable then no one should be making that decision for them and the only situation I can envision where they are not physically able are cases of paralysis. Since paralysis is not terminal it is void to the argument that they are dying early anyways.

[afijsohfan]

At 4/16/04 11:50 AM, bumcheekcity wrote: I wouldn't worry about misspelling [<---- like that] long words. Just make sure they're recogniseable.

its poelpe hoo type like dis n fink dey r 1337 dat wee gt annoyed wiv

I know what you mean, its as if they don't not be teaching none english in no schools no more.

[FatherVenom]

What happens when a quadriplegic has AIDS or some other horrible and painful disease?

[BeFell]

At 4/16/04 12:05 PM, FatherVenom wrote: What happens when a quadriplegic has AIDS or some other horrible and painful disease?

They're paralyzed how would they know their in pain?

[Slizor]

There's the slippery slope arguement that says if we start allowing it, then it will start getting abused, even to the point of doctors murdering people in cold blood. Of the three places in the world that had/have doctor assisted suicide legalized, the studies found this to be false.

And the fact that a slippery slope argument is a fallacy. It is not logical to say "if x happens, then y will happen" as it doesn't have any reasoning. It requires the assertion of a slippery slope for the slippery slope argument not to be a fallacy, at which point it becomes poorly reasoned.

Most of the other reasons are religious, but religion can be wrong sometimes.

No no, religion can be right sometimes...it's wrong most of the time.

[FatherVenom]

At 4/16/04 12:08 PM, BeSkvnk wrote:
They're paralyzed how would they know their in pain?

A quadriplegic isn't totally paralyzed. They just don't have the use of their arms and legs. AIDS victims tend to die of pneumonia which attacks the lungs and is rather painful.

And Slizor, I'm confused. Are you agreeing with me on my first point. Also, you're right religion does have the tendency to be wrong.